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OP Updated 7/26/13 Whether you love them or hate them, certs are a part of working in IT. Even people who have managed to survive on pure skill and neckbeardery alone will probably find themselves being shanghaied into picking one up at some point in their career. Why should I spend my precious WoW and cheeto time on this? The most common answers to this are money and employment. While certifications are no substitution for experience, they generally allow you to get past HR and give you a bit more room for salary negotiations. For me, personally, they’re a structured way of learning material that I wouldn’t otherwise get routine exposure to in my current position. In this way, it also helps during job interviews with handling technical questions. My nerd sense is tingling. Tell me more. Certifications are divided into two broad categories: Industry Certifications and Vendor Certifications. The biggest name in Industry Certifications is CompTIA, which produces the likes of A+, Network+, and Security+. Vendor Certifications are just that: certifications from vendors. Among these, the two most prolific are Cisco and Microsoft, which produce the CCNA and MCSA/E, respectively. This list is anything but exhaustive; we’ll get into many more vendor certifications below. Okay, but what should I get? And how do I get it? This question gets asked a lot in this thread. If you’re new to IT and are struggling to find a job in helpdesk, the answer is probably A+ and N+ (I’ll cover these first). Otherwise, the answer is largely based upon which track you’re on, so I’ve grouped the write-ups into the following: Networking, Systems Administration, Security, Virtualization, Storage, Database, Project Management, and Policy. There are a billion specialty and subsidiary certifications, so I’m only going to list the major ones for now. Networking: Cisco: CENT, CCNA, CCNP, CCDA, CCDP, CCIE Juniper: JNCIA, JNCIS, JNCIP, JNCIE Systems Administration: Microsoft: MCSA 2008/12, MCSE 2008/12 RedHat: RHCSA, RHCE, RHCA Unix: Neckbeard Measurement Security Security+ CISSP Virtualization: VMWare: VCP, VCAP Storage: EMC: EMC Proven Professional Database: Microsoft: MCSA SQL2012 Project Management: PMP Scrum Policy ITIL Six Sigma Okay, please tell me more about all of these in this OP so I don't have to ask later! Well I'm glad you asked, since that's why I spent 50 long minutes compiling this OP. A+ and Network Plus Sylink posted:Both of the A+ and Network+ are pretty easy entry level certs. If you know nothing about computers, they are a decent start but no match for experience. If you are already at a tinkering/fixing your granny's PC level, then they might add some new information but it should be easy to pick up. Networking CCNA - Cisco Certified Network Associate The CCNA is kind of the go-to certification for network administrators and junior network engineers. Cisco claims that the certification is entry level, but it's assumed that you are already familiar with basic networking principals (cabling, connectors, and the difference between an IP and a MAC address) when you start out. The interesting thing about the exam is that it can either be taken in one sitting, or in two different parts. If you choose the two-part option, you actually receive an additional certification, the CCENT (Cisco Certified Entry-level Networking Technician) for passing the ICND1 exam, and the full CCNA upon completion of the ICND2 exam. The CCNA curriculum is heavily focused on basic networking theory: knowing how to properly create an IP scheme and develop subnets is an integral part of the exam, as is fundamental knowledge of the common enterprise interior gateway protocols. You will encounter some simulators in the exam, however beyond basic configuration, they too are mostly grounded in the theory aspect. With that said, knowing IOS commands and functionality IS an important part of the test, and if you haven't touched it before, you will probably fail. The book that I and many other people personally recommend is the "CCNA Cisco Certified Network Associate Study Guide" by Todd Lammle. Many people also like Wendell Odom's take on the exam; I've been using him for my CCNP: ROUTE studies and find him a bit dry, but he might be up your alley. Since a solid understanding of basic router and switch operations is key to the exam, you will probably be tempted to build a lab. For the most part, a full scale lab is somewhat overkill for this exam: GNS3 is an incredibly powerful network topology simulator that can run IOS images and allows you to quickly and easily design different topologies without having to change cabling around and drop the money on an entire lab. With that said, you'll still need to get an IOS image to put on there in the first place. For this, you can buy a 2600 series router for cheap off of eBay. While you're at it, I'd pick up an old 2950 switch just to get used to the switch functions, as the only major drawback of GNS3 is that it lacks the ability to simulate the ASIC processors used in switch fabrics. You can actually assign a virtual interface to the NIC on the back of your computer and merge your virtual topology from GNS3 with your physical switch. Pretty cool! Obviously, you need to know everything that's in the book; however, as you continue your studies, be sure to pay extra attention to the following: IPv6 addressing, OSPF and EIGRP operations, Spanning Tree Protocol (all of it), VLANs, NAT/Access Control Lists Systems Administration Linux Bhodi posted:For Linux certifications, there is only one thing companies care about - Red Hat. Canonical offers something called the Ubuntu Professional Certification but I have literally never heard of anyone wanting it ever. If you're fairly new to linux but think you might need to become versed in ubuntu or another flavor, these certs still provide useful grounding which is easily ported while being a great resume booster. A lot of the knowledge even carries over into the other *NIXes like HPUX, Solaris, and *BSD, since they all have similar roots. Security CompTIA Security+ This is CompTIA's entry level cert for the security world. Unlike A+ and N+, however, it is considerably more involved and actually contains a good bit of basic, useful information for all IT people. The exam covers a pretty wide range of security principles and schemes, including actual physical security, but the core of it goes into various encryption algorithms and standards, types of attacks, and best practices for backing up data. Like the CCNA, Security+ assumes you already have a fundamental understanding of networking, particularly with regard to the OSI model and common ports. Anyway, the only book you need for this exam is this one. Buy it, read through it a few times, practice copying the port chart from memory (just like it suggests), and you'll pass the exam with zero issue. Finally, it's important to note that S+ is a requirement for all DoD IT personnel and contractors. Other parts of the federal government may require it for individual positions or departments, but the DoD is the only one I know of with a hard and fast requirement. Virtualization quote:Corvettefisher wrote on Nov 28, 2012 21:59: Storage Reserved Database OCA - Oracle Certified Associate Graves posted:I've got Network+, Security+ and Oracle Certified Associate (Database 11g Admin). I'm going to take the OCP when I have the time to throw at studying a bit more. Project Management quote:Sarcasmatron wrote on Dec 5, 2012 10:08: quote:Sarcasmatron wrote on Dec 5, 2012 09:51: Policy ITIL - Reserved Hey guys, I found this great website that has all of these actual questions from the test! Cool, huh? Congratulations, you've found a brain dump. But let's stop and think about this for a second: what was it called in school when someone who had taken a test in the class before you gave you all of the questions ahead of time? Oh yeah, it was called cheating. I mean, in the end, it's your money you're spending. But as I mentioned in the OP, certifications are no substitution for experience and only indicate to an employer that you have an established baseline of knowledge upon which they can build. So if you show up to a job interview with your brain dump cert, never having learned the material, how well do you think you're going to do if they go into a technical interview? Don't use brain dumps. Spend the time to learn the material for real. psydude fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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Additional Resources Networking Cisco IOS Printable Cheat-Sheets Documentation of Cisco Supported Routing Protocols - Contains case studies similar to the ones found on their exams. Incredibly useful for CCNA/NP candidates. Maybe IE, too? Systems Administration Learn Windows PowerShell 3 in a Month of Lunches -- Powershell is rapidly becoming the basis of Windows Server iterations. This book is one of the easiest ways to learn it. psydude fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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I want to build a lab! What kinds of stuff should I get? This question comes up like once per page here. Check out this thread for ideas and information! psydude fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jul 26, 2013 |
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So I'd like to keep expanding the OP with writeups as much as possible. We could definitely use a MCSA, ITIL, and CISSP writeup. Of course, I'm open to including the specialties (CCVP, etc.), but I figured more people will be asking about the general certifications than anything else.
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Security+: "Finally, it's important to not" Re: CCNA Spend $50 on the ICND2 learning lab. I bought both ICND1 and 2 labs; I felt that after working through the first quarter of the ICND2 lab, the ICND1 lab didn't have much to offer. CLL vs GNS3: Not a buggy mess. Emulates switches. Don't have to worry about correct IOS version, or acquiring images. Comes with scenarios.
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So if I shoot for A+, N+ and S+ you would figure that would be a good groundwork to get past the HR wall of death and have a potential interview? I have practical experience but no certs and I'm not landing anything. Would the certs really help that much?
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Xenaero posted:So if I shoot for A+, N+ and S+ you would figure that would be a good groundwork to get past the HR wall of death and have a potential interview? I have practical experience but no certs and I'm not landing anything. Would the certs really help that much? Depending on your experience, yes. If you have like 3 or 4+ in a support role then not so much but it won't hurt. If you have <2, which I did when I got my A+/N+ then your callback rate on jobs will increase tremendously. IT firms love that bullshit. I can't speak on the S+ but the OP already addresses it.
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Xenaero posted:So if I shoot for A+, N+ and S+ you would figure that would be a good groundwork to get past the HR wall of death and have a potential interview? I have practical experience but no certs and I'm not landing anything. Would the certs really help that much?
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Any ITIL Masters ITT? I'm looking at my training roadmap and it looks like I need to: - Get Foundations Qualification - Get 5-6 Qualifications, selected from the Lifecycle and Capability groups. - Get Managing Across the Lifecycle - Get ITIL Expert Level I did some cursory Googling: it looks like I can get all of my Qualifications up through Managing Acroos the Lifecycle trained and tested through Learning Tree, but it will cost me upwards of $15k to do so, and while Learning Tree is convenient when someone else is paying for it, I've found it to be a sub-optimal training experience in the past. If anyone has passed any or all of the above Qualifications, It would be great to get some recommendations as to training providers, etc.
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Dec 6, 2012 17:28
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I always knew psydude was more than a miserable drunk who angrily plays DotA! Closed the old thread, new OP looks good!
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For PMP I heard you have to somehow verify your work experience hours and verification is very strict. What is the best way to keep track of 4,500 hours experience in project management?
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Mantle posted:For PMP I heard you have to somehow verify your work experience hours and verification is very strict. What is the best way to keep track of 4,500 hours experience in project management? I want someone to answer this man's question AND answer "how do you get 4,500 hours of project management experience without the project management cert?" Mantle and I eagerly await your advice!
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Stealing it right up front. My father is taking the PMP next month. He's worked for the last few years a Systems Architect and they are counting that as project management experience for the certification. As his job description and duties fall within what they consider acceptable
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Xenaero posted:So if I shoot for A+, N+ and S+ you would figure that would be a good groundwork to get past the HR wall of death and have a potential interview? I have practical experience but no certs and I'm not landing anything. Would the certs really help that much? This is exactly the situation I am in and that's my plan minus the S+ for now. I've got 2 years in the field and I used to hear back from jobs that were basically sidesteps in terms of promotion but I've gone dry for the past 2 months or so since I started trying to land a more administrative position. Having a plan definitely gives me hope and makes me feel better about life rather than just sitting here and continuing to apply to job after job.
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I think I should just suck it up and take A+ and possibly N+. All I need to learn for them are the little minutiae poo poo like the max length of SATA and the features of various outdated connection specs. (As far as I'm concerned the max length of SATA is "Greater than any possible distance between motherboard and drive in a case.")
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Nebulis01 posted:My father is taking the PMP next month. He's worked for the last few years a Systems Architect and they are counting that as project management experience for the certification. As his job description and duties fall within what they consider acceptable This. As part of the application process, there's a worksheet that is basically a more granular resume, where you break down project work that you've done during the last 8 years and apply hours across the different process groups: Initiating, Planning, Executing, Monitoring and Controlling, and Closing. There's no required allocation across the process groups. You also list references, similar to a 360 review: Boss, Customer, or direct report, which has full contact information for your referrals. They randomly audit applications, and if they don't like the application and/or referral checks, they'll reject your application. If they find any substantial irregularities between the application and reference checks, they'll blackball you. 4500/16000 hours isn't that much: it's about 13 hours/week on average over the past 8 years. Obviously, they are trying to verify that you've got at least a modicum of experience managing projects. EDIT: Maths! Feral Bueller fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 7, 2012 |
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Inspector_71 posted:I think I should just suck it up and take A+ and possibly N+. All I need to learn for them are the little minutiae poo poo like the max length of SATA and the features of various outdated connection specs. I just decided to do the same with A+, N+, and S+ to add onto my resume so I can find something. Got a few books to take practice tests and fill in the gaps of what I don't know, and vouchers to take the tests at any time in the next 12 months -- I want to get my A+ no later than January though.
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Is anyone able to explain the mess of certifications that is MCSA/MCSE/MCIPT? It seems that MCIPT > MCSE > MCSA if this make sense... I skimmed through a few books - do any have labs that have you go through and setup domain controllers, etc?
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At some point dude, stop asking about certs and just get them. You've been asking cert/IT questions for like all of 2012 and haven't really gotten anywhere. Quit planning and just buy a book and take a test. MCITP, not MCIPT, is a failed attempt on Microsoft's part to rebrand their certification. It failed horribly and has been aborted. MCSA 2003 became the 2008 MCITP: Server Administrator, which became the MCSA 2012. MCSE 2003 became the 2008 MCITP: Enterprise Administrator, which became the MCSE 2012.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:At some point dude, stop asking about certs and just get them. You've been asking cert/IT questions for like all of 2012 and haven't really gotten anywhere. Quit planning and just buy a book and take a test. Well! I guess now that someone is actually keeping track of my posts I'll get right on that  What books did you guys use to become certified? I like labs as much as the next guy.
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CCNP Switch down.. Never have to take another test with wireless on it again for as long as I live! Studied with this: "Implementing Cisco IP Switched Networks (SWITCH) Foundation Learning Guide: Foundation learning for SWITCH 642-813 (Foundation Learning Guides)"
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Can some shitlord add the info for the Microsoft certs that keep getting recommend around here? I know its something like 640 -> 642 and something else. I'm looking at your Fruit Stripe.
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Sylink posted:Can some shitlord add the info for the Microsoft certs that keep getting recommend around here? There are a lot of immediate and pending changes to the offered exams, with a lot of exams being phased out due to the new directionality a lot of Microsoft's stuff is taking (e.g. the SBS 2011 exam, 70-169, is still offered but heavily downplayed in favor of Office 365-focused exams like 74-324). For the Server 2008 line, you need to do for-sure 70-640 and 70-642, plus one of the desktop MCP certs (XP, Vista or 7). Then, for basic Admin certification you take 70-646. For Enterprise Admin, you instead take exams 60-643 and 70-647, plus one of the desktop MCP certs: Vista (70-620), or 7 (70-680). I think XP was additionally offered at one point but I don't think it still is. Basic Admin is generally single-server type stuff (as in stuff you could theoretically do with one server, not that this would actually be a good idea) while Enterprise additionally deals with multi-server things like load balancing, clusters etc. The 2008 Server exams are being phased out end of July. For Server 2012, you need 70-410, 70-411 and 70-412. Select MCP title holders (e.g. 2008 MCITPs) can take exam 70-417 to upgrade. Also worth noting is that being certified can give your business increased standing with Microsoft, and the right exams and other qualifiers can make your company either a Silver or Gold partner, which gives you access to Partner licenses for Microsoft (e.g. a 15-device license for Windows 8 Enterprise), a point of contact with Microsoft relevant to your company's needs and other goodies. univbee fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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A new certification megathread!  Here's my short linux admin summary.For Linux certifications, there is only one thing companies care about - Red Hat. Canonical offers something called the Ubuntu Professional Certification but I have literally never heard of anyone wanting it ever. If you're fairly new to linux but think you might need to become versed in ubuntu or another flavor, these certs still provide useful grounding which is easily ported while being a great resume booster. A lot of the knowledge even carries over into the other *NIXes like HPUX, Solaris, and *BSD, since they all have similar roots. Basic Red Hat Certs are offered at basic (Administrator) and senior (Engineer) levels, as well as a third level which is given after passing separate exams for all the various middleware / software offerings that Red Hat provides. Notably different from other certs such as CompTIA, the RHCSA & RHCE exams are taken within a lab format where you install/configure/troubleshoot a real system. Because of this and limited test time, you need to be familiar with linux and have put in some *NIX OS time to have a chance at passing. It would be difficult to get a study guide and rote-memorize your way through it. The tests aren't grueling but they are most definitely hands-on. RHCSA Basic sysadmin stuff that is comparable to 1-2 years or junior admin experience. Be able to install, boot, configure the OS. Use the command line. Start & stop processes, install packages, handle files/directories/users, quotas, local and logical volumes, partitions, networking, ACLs, SELinux & iptables. Be able to use VI and edit config files. Basically, know your way around /etc and be able to troubleshoot configuration file fat fingering. RHCE Senior level admin stuff that is comparable to 3-5 years or mid-senior level admin experience. It builds on the RHCSA but gets into more specifics. Expect basic kernel tuning, building RPMs, static routes, NAT, system logging, cron, installation and configuration of common services (apache, squid, SSH, samba, NTP, SMTP, cups). Additionally, basic shell (bash) scripting. Notably absent is postfix/sendmail and bind because they are split off into a separate test at the RHCA level. Basically, know your way around /var and /proc as well as /etc. RHCA It's not CCIE difficulty, but it's still a fairly rare thing to come across because you have to pass 5 separate exams (network services, enterprise systems management, enterprise clustering & storage management, system monitoring & performance tuning, directory services & authentication, and virtualization). I've never taken it so I can't speak, but there's more info at that link. I've never seen it as a job requirement. A lot of it is RH-centric and uses their clustering service, their package management service, stuff like that. Someone else will have to give resources since I got sent to a 5 day boot camp and didn't get a study book. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 10, 2012 |
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Tab8715 posted:What books did you guys use to become certified? I like labs as much as the next guy. I read through one book (can't even remember the title now) but I found using training video CDs/DVDs to be much more effective. If there's a certification you want chances are that there's a video series that's been released for it.
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Should I bother with Network+ if I'm going to go for CCNA anyways? My local community college is doing a N+ course this semester but Cisco won't start until the next. Work pays for classes and testing but I'm just wondering if it's redundant. My networking experience is limited to what I learned 10+ years ago in high school and general dicking around at work.
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Zogo posted:I read through one book (can't even remember the title now) but I found using training video CDs/DVDs to be much more effective. If there's a certification you want chances are that there's a video series that's been released for it. I've seen CBTNuggets videos and while they're awesome I still would rather have someone give a lab to do. It seems like I have two options the official MS Pressbooks or Sybex. I'm think you would study for the tests in this order 70-646 (Windows Server Administration), 70-646 (Windows Server 2008 Network Infrastructure), 60-640 (Configuring and lastly Windows Server 2008 Active Directory, Configuring) Does that sound right?
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1000101 posted:CCNP Switch down.. Never have to take another test with wireless on it again for as long as I live! Hahaha that's a good one. Cisco's wireless revenue growth has been holding steady at around 35% year-over-year, and most of the other enterprise wireless providers have seen pretty much the same thing. With .11n being roughly as fast as wire speed in the real world and MUCH cheaper to deploy, the emphasis on wireless is only going to grow. There's going to be a dedicated Cisco wireless cert before the end of the decade, I'd bet a paycheck on it.
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Pudgygiant posted:There's going to be a dedicated Cisco wireless cert before the end of the decade, I'd bet a paycheck on it. Like a CCIE Wireless?
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Jelmylicious posted:Like a CCIE Wireless? A.K.A. CCIE thar be wizards here... 
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Pudgygiant posted:Hahaha that's a good one. Cisco's wireless revenue growth has been holding steady at around 35% year-over-year, and most of the other enterprise wireless providers have seen pretty much the same thing. With .11n being roughly as fast as wire speed in the real world and MUCH cheaper to deploy, the emphasis on wireless is only going to grow. There's going to be a dedicated Cisco wireless cert before the end of the decade, I'd bet a paycheck on it. My goal is actually along this track: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/le2/le37/ccnp_dc/index.html The CCNP datacenter which is where I spend most of my time anyway. Going through the route/switch CCNP mostly just to a better engineer overall. Hopefully in the next year or so I can actually gun for the CCIE datacenter (http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/dc/index.html.) It's basically the Cisco certifications on the Nexus gear and UCS. I'm hoping that by the time we have fibre channel over wireless that I'll be retired and living someplace warm.
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Are those more practical than the DCUCD exams that they are retiring? SO far the ones I have taken feel like "which of the following gives Cisco the most money?"
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Tab8715 posted:Does that sound right? I haven't taken any of those but the general idea I've followed was to start with a couple of the most basic/broad certifications and after passing a few of those then go onto a couple that were specialized toward whatever you're doing on a daily basis.
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Corvettefisher posted:Are those more practical than the DCUCD exams that they are retiring? SO far the ones I have taken feel like "which of the following gives Cisco the most money?" They are only retiring a previous version of those exams. Here's the roadmap here: 642-999 DCUCI v5.0 Implementing Cisco Data Center Unified Computing (DCUCI) v5.0 642-997 DCUFI v5.0 Implementing Cisco Data Center Unified Fabric (DCUFI) v5.0 and 642-998 DCUCD v5.0 Designing Cisco Data Center Unified Computing (DCUCD) v5.0 642-996 DCUFD v5.0 Designing Cisco Data Center Unified Fabric (DCUFD) v5.0 OR 642-035 DCUCT v5.0 Troubleshooting Cisco Data Center Unified Computing (DCUCT) v5.0 642-980 DCUFT v5.0 Troubleshooting Cisco Data Center Unified Fabric (DCUFT) v5.0 Note that as a pre-requisite for this counting towards the CCNP datacenter you'll need to take these two exams for your CCNA Datacenter: 640-911 DCICN Introducing Cisco Data Center Networking (DCICN) 640-916 DCICT Introducing Cisco Data Center Technologies(DCICT) If I'm reading it right you'll need to take the implementing UCS and Nexus exams then either the architecture exams for those systems or the troubleshooting exams for those systems. For a partner qualification I need to be a routing and switching CCNP with a troubleshooting unified fabric and implementing unified fabric exam under my belt. That'll basically leave me 50% of the way to a CCNP datacenter. I'm guessing they're no more or less practical than earlier versions of the CCNP curriculum. If you were taking the design tract though then I can see where practical knowledge may feel unhelpful.
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Jelmylicious posted:Like a CCIE Wireless? Sorry, I meant dedicated entry-level wireless, and not a track of something else. CCWA has a nice ring to it.
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Last year I decided that full time alcoholism would be a good career path and left my job to retrain. Being cheap, I decided to do a semester at the community college before I invested in another degree. I picked up classes that are supposed to prep for the A+, Network+, and LPIC. Now I have 3 months before I start in Oregon State's B.S. in computer science program in April (basically if you already have a bachelors, you can get a B.S. in computer science in a year, online.) Is it worth is for me to pick up any or all of those certs before I start my program? My background is as an administrative assistant in various non-profits, so no technical stuff at all. I have 3 months to study, but currently no income, so I only want to invest in what will help me get a job when I'm finished.
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Keep in mind that the certs require virgin sacrific... I mean renewal every so often. I'm pretty sure that Comptia stuff is good for about 2-3 years but it's quite honestly slipped my mind at this point
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A+/N+ and a B.S. in computer science are completely different skill sets for completely different jobs. You'd probably be better off rounding out your linear algebra or calculus skills if you want to prepare for what appears to be a fairly rigorous program.
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Fortunately, I was pretty good at calculus, although I could brush up. I just am wondering if there is any reason to spend money on certs given the path I'm on.
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Hysterix posted:Fortunately, I was pretty good at calculus, although I could brush up. I just am wondering if there is any reason to spend money on certs given the path I'm on. What path are you on? What do you want/intend to do with the BS?
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