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Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013



If I can skip A+ (I assume because I have some sort of experience to make up for it) and jump ahead then that would save some time and money, so that's good to know, thanks! I've grabbed a couple of books off Amazon to get me going.

Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at Oct 8, 2017 around 20:34

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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009



Yeah, if you have literally any industry experience, the A+ isn't going to get you much. It exists to get that first toe in the door when you have nothing directly relevant on your resume.

OSU_Matthew
Aug 23, 2010


Grimey Drawer

So I just signed up for a discounted Comptia Cloud+ Beta exam that's scheduled less than two weeks out.

I just bought the study guide on Amazon, but are there any other helpful links or resources you guys could point me to?

Has anyone here taken the Cloud+ exam, and if so, how was it comparative to the Net+?

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

You fell for the emails they're sending every other day?

I've considered it but even $50 for a beta version test doesn't seem like it's worth my time. You don't even know if you've passed until what, January or February?

OSU_Matthew
Aug 23, 2010


Grimey Drawer

Judge Schnoopy posted:

You fell for the emails they're sending every other day?

I've considered it but even $50 for a beta version test doesn't seem like it's worth my time. You don't even know if you've passed until what, January or February?

Haha, yeah, I did... I'm probably just wasting my time and money, right? And yeah, it's bullshit you don't find out until some unspecified time next loving year. But hey, I figure fifty bucks it's worth a shot to snag another cert, even if I've only got a week to actually study the materials (that may or may not actually be on the exam).

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017



I don't envy anyone who has to beta a CompTIA test. Other than Sec+, their tests are focused on memorizing lots of pointless garbage(and even Sec+ has pointless stuff on it). I can only imagine how bad the beta is.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT BEING A NEO-LIBERAL DEATH CULT APOLOGIST!


Peachfart posted:

I don't envy anyone who has to beta a CompTIA test. Other than Sec+, their tests are focused on memorizing lots of pointless garbage(and even Sec+ has pointless stuff on it). I can only imagine how bad the beta is.

Warchalking.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017



The Iron Rose posted:

Warchalking.

I'm sorry, the answer was 'Mantraps'.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005



warballooning motherfuckers

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

You're trying to say that you like DOS better then me, right?



Bleak Gremlin

What's the over/under that these are just things that people have pranked CompTIA HQ with?

I know if I'm ever in the area I'm going to add suspicious warchalk marks.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

~~~~~Carl~~~~~


Two "o"s side by side with an "n" on top of them indicate a nearby open wireless AP. sometimes a series of dashes are drawn emanating from the top of the "n" - the number of dashes represents the signal strength from that location.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

When life gives you lemons DANCE DANCE DANCE!

Paid in part by CF


Is "if someone commissions a light aircraft they can have our loving wifi password" a viable option on these tests?

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Was that a scumslip?!


Grimey Drawer

Diva Cupcake posted:

warballooning motherfuckers



Where the gently caress is wardroning it is 2017 Comptia step it up

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

OooOoOooh..


Dr. Arbitrary posted:

What's the over/under that these are just things that people have pranked CompTIA HQ with?

I know if I'm ever in the area I'm going to add suspicious warchalk marks.

I prefer wardryerase on white boards.

CompTIA is just making poo poo up at this point.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009



This seems like an opportune time to link this article on "Screwdriving" I came across today

quote:

Screwdriving is like wardrving but it has an IoT focus. It's all about discovering Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) devices. But it's not about finding all sorts of devices - it focuses on one class of gadget.

Screwdriving is about finding connected sex toys.

It also sounds about as real as warballooning, so I expect to see it on the S+ in a year or two.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2017 around 03:22

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Was that a scumslip?!


Grimey Drawer

"Choose the BEST sex toy for information security"

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

OooOoOooh..


Kashuno posted:

"Choose the BEST sex toy for information security"

Mantrap. The answer is always mantrap.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

~~~~~Carl~~~~~


Pretty soon your IoT connected fleshlight will automatically analyze your cum for spermcount, upload the data to your medical records and book you a hospital appointment if there are any problems. The future is now baby.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

CompTIA gently caress+ cert is gonna look good on my resume

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003
Pirate of the High Seas


Judge Schnoopy posted:

CompTIA gently caress+ cert is gonna look good on my resume

Comp T&A

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

~~~~~Carl~~~~~


Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005



CompTIA lobbyists have done their job and have gotten the CSA+ added to DoD 8570 regulations. It looks about on par or even above Certified Ethical Hacker in terms of fulfilling pre-reqs.

https://iase.disa.mil/iawip/Pages/iabaseline.aspx

Ahdinko
Oct 27, 2007

WHAT A LOVELY DAY


ProperCoochie posted:

I'm looking for some advice.

What Would You Do if you were in my shoes?

I'm moving to a new city where rent, bills, and car insurance are 1/3 the price. I don't have a job lined up, but I have savings. My OK paychecks built up to meager savings will now transform into A Lot Of Money. So for what seems like the first time ever, I can actually afford those $2000-4000 week/two-week-long bootcamps and I'm toying with the idea of completing one.

My story: I worked helldesk for a few years, but the last two years I've been a Junior SysAdmin and SysAdmin. My only certs are Net+ and part of the MCSA (Administering Windows Server 2012). I've had a good amount of mostly unofficial training (self-taught, books, classes by former employers, UDemy, Cybrary, and so on).

I'm a capable guy, easy learner, which is why I've had success in IT without much official education. I don't stress much over workloads, but I feel weak in terms of official certifications. My bachelor's is in History. Interviewing is a bit of a struggle for me because I'm more impressive in front of a computer than I am on paper.

I've been working towards Sec+. I have the new CCNA book because I think it'd be a great foundation for me long term though I want to either stay with Systems or get into Security.

In summary, I'm wondering what others would do with my opportunity. Once I'm settled in my new city, I'll have time and money. (I'm not yet worried about being unemployed, obviously I want a job ASAP but I'm months from money becoming a real issue, and I would go back to scrubbing toilets, hauling garbage, or waiting tables if it were truly necessary.) Should I just continue to chip away at my self-paced education, or spend $2000-4000 on a week/two-week-long bootcamp? I'd do one for MS, VMware, or perhaps sometime else. I'm open to recommendations. A cert would be nice at the end but it's not a requirement for my decision.

I've never personally met anyone who has done one of those bootcamps and came out of it saying "I'm glad I did the bootcamp" or has ever gone on to do a second one. I've self studied most of my certs, done a regular course for one and bootcamped one, and I am more than happy to never bootcamp again. I did pass but it was a hellish 8 days.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty



Ahdinko posted:

I've never personally met anyone who has done one of those bootcamps and came out of it saying "I'm glad I did the bootcamp" or has ever gone on to do a second one. I've self studied most of my certs, done a regular course for one and bootcamped one, and I am more than happy to never bootcamp again. I did pass but it was a hellish 8 days.

I've done multiple bootcamps and am glad I took them and would take them again (as long as my employers pays for them).

It helps you take a week to focus on one specific subject. For me (married with young kids) that'd take me weeks if not months to make time to study on my own.

I also found it really helpful to get instant anwsers from people who know the subjects fairly well so you don't just get the anwser but also the reasoning behind it.

After all bootcamps I did take another few weeks to study before taking the exams.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


I've taken plenty of training courses through work, and no way should someone pay for one out of their own pocket. They're for companys to pay for who don't care about the price.

None of the week long training courses have prepared me for an exam, there just isn't enough time and the class inevitably slows down to the pace of the slowest student.

I recommend folks look into their local community college programs. I took the VMWare ICM course for 5.1 for 249 dollars as part of their continuing education program. Same course that my company would have paid 4200 dollars for, but mine was in a real lab spread over 14 weeks of evening classes.

Ahdinko
Oct 27, 2007

WHAT A LOVELY DAY


LochNessMonster posted:

I've done multiple bootcamps and am glad I took them and would take them again (as long as my employers pays for them).

It helps you take a week to focus on one specific subject. For me (married with young kids) that'd take me weeks if not months to make time to study on my own.

I also found it really helpful to get instant anwsers from people who know the subjects fairly well so you don't just get the anwser but also the reasoning behind it.

After all bootcamps I did take another few weeks to study before taking the exams.

I think it probably depends on how well you can handle that much information at once. The one I did was a proper bootcamp, it was what would normally be 3 x 1 week courses over Monday-Friday 9-5, condensed into 8 straight 13 hour long days, with the exams on the 3rd, 6th and 8th days. I stayed on site in a hotel and started each day at 8am, finished at 9pm with a 30 minute lunch in the middle and a few breaks to get a drink or whatever, and then generally an hours worth of reading that you took back to your hotel room. My mind felt like it was melting by day 4 or 5.

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Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

You're trying to say that you like DOS better then me, right?



Bleak Gremlin

Boot Camps are for companies that need certs fast. They're priced and structured that way.

I got my VMware cert by taking a community college class taught by a certified VMware instructor. It was the same class, but over a semester, plenty of time to practice the labs and go into more detail.

I don't know if there's anything good in your area, but if you're in Phoenix/Mesa I can make a recommendation.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty



Ahdinko posted:

I think it probably depends on how well you can handle that much information at once. The one I did was a proper bootcamp, it was what would normally be 3 x 1 week courses over Monday-Friday 9-5, condensed into 8 straight 13 hour long days, with the exams on the 3rd, 6th and 8th days. I stayed on site in a hotel and started each day at 8am, finished at 9pm with a 30 minute lunch in the middle and a few breaks to get a drink or whatever, and then generally an hours worth of reading that you took back to your hotel room. My mind felt like it was melting by day 4 or 5.

Yeah I understand that might be too much. Putting 2 weeks into 1 is pushing it already if people are new to the material. Doing that with 3 weeks of material sounds pretty crazy unless people are already experienced in the subject.

Hot Damn!
Oct 28, 2004


I failed a cert for the first time last Monday (790/811 on the ICND2). Got nailed in a few areas I covered too lightly (HSRP, QoS), and saw a few that weren't covered in my materials (questions about specific SDN Cisco products).

It took me a week to get back into the proper mindset to really dig back into the material, but I am finding a lot of gaps and shallow areas of my understanding, as expected.

Anyone have any insight on approaching retakes in particular?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

You're trying to say that you like DOS better then me, right?



Bleak Gremlin

Hot drat! posted:


Anyone have any insight on approaching retakes in particular?

Congratulations. This means you're pushing yourself to learn new things slightly too hard, and that's a good problem to have.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Hot drat! posted:

I failed a cert for the first time last Monday (790/811 on the ICND2). Got nailed in a few areas I covered too lightly (HSRP, QoS), and saw a few that weren't covered in my materials (questions about specific SDN Cisco products).

It took me a week to get back into the proper mindset to really dig back into the material, but I am finding a lot of gaps and shallow areas of my understanding, as expected.

Anyone have any insight on approaching retakes in particular?

Find accurate practice tests. You know what the test looks like now. If you're in a practice test and it doesn't look like what your test had on it, skip it and move on.

When you find a practice test that looks extremely similar to your failed exam, write down every question you get wrong. Study it and write 1 sentence on why every wrong answer is wrong, and why the right answers are right. This will help cover gaps in case the real question is asked in a slightly different way, and will fill in a lot of relative information in your brain that you can call back to if you're stumped on the test.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


Judge Schnoopy posted:

Find accurate practice tests. You know what the test looks like now. If you're in a practice test and it doesn't look like what your test had on it, skip it and move on.

When you find a practice test that looks extremely similar to your failed exam, write down every question you get wrong. Study it and write 1 sentence on why every wrong answer is wrong, and why the right answers are right. This will help cover gaps in case the real question is asked in a slightly different way, and will fill in a lot of relative information in your brain that you can call back to if you're stumped on the test.

This is a loving great idea, it's what the odom/lammle books do for you (for most questions anyway), but I've never really thought about doing it myself.

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fordan
Mar 9, 2009

Clue: Zero


Ahdinko posted:

I've never personally met anyone who has done one of those bootcamps and came out of it saying "I'm glad I did the bootcamp" or has ever gone on to do a second one. I've self studied most of my certs, done a regular course for one and bootcamped one, and I am more than happy to never bootcamp again. I did pass but it was a hellish 8 days.

Depends on the boot camp. I was very happy with my CCIE boot camp, but it came after passing the written exam and when I thought I was ready to take the lab. Did it about 6 weeks before the lab and it was hard and fast-paced and simulated the lab environment a lot. It showed me what I didnít know well enough and needed to focus on in the final 6 weeks. But thatís obviously a far cry from the ones the OP is talking about.

OP, how much of a self-starter are you? I would consider throwing money at online training providers/resources like Safari Books Online, Lynda, INE, Linux Academy, A Cloud Guru, etc depending on interests. If you are interested in VMware look at local community colleges or if they donít have anything, look at Stanly Community Collegeís VMware cheap online classes.

If thatís a path you want to take, weíre a little over a month away from the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals that many online training providers offer which can save additional money.

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