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Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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forever gold posted:

I see people on other tech forums and youtube going crazy with the labbing, having a full rack of switches/routers and whatnot. Curious how much of that is necessary. Makes the whole thing seem a bit daunting.

The more you know, and the deeper your understanding of what the test actually asks you, the more you really get from the stuff. The difference between reading something and puking an answer out, vs. dragging a physical switch config kicking and screaming into sullen compliance is really really huge.

I'm halfway through the Server 2012 MCSE, and sitting down with the study books and just following along with the lab stuff is hands down the reason I end up passing 1st try most of the time. "This is familiar and I could set this up again in my sleep" is an unbelievably helpful thing when you get into Certificate Authority and AD Federation bullshit.

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Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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Ganon posted:

Go here and download the iso: http://www.mydigitallife.info/windows-server-2008-r2-sp1-official-iso-images-180-days-free-trial-download/

Then when the trial is up dump the VM and start over.

This is what I used on my home lab stuff before I got hired on at a place that had enough open value keys for me to license my home lab for work related fuckery.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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Meta Ridley posted:

Awesome, thanks.

Is a 6-month timeframe a bit too optimistic to learn and take the 70-640, coming from someone who has no direct Directory/Wintel server admin experience?

Basically I plan on knocking out the A+ in a week or two (gotta read up on my FDD cable pin counts, ISA bus bandwidth and Various Cable Lengths), then go for the MCSA Desktop Support in about 3 months..then work toward that 70-640 and hopefully get it before the end of the year.

You can generally do a chapter a weeknight if you're just reading the material, another day to do the labs. Do 2 chapters complete on a weekend. The 70-640 blue book I got from MS had like 20ish? chapters in it, so you're looking at about 2 months to be completely "I understand and can apply these things outside the framework of the multiple guess test".

Do the labs, even if you have a crappy PC with like 8 gigs of ram. They're very much worth it, so you at least see and know what the thing is asking you about.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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Oddhair posted:

What's the worst that could happen?
Every question is some variation of:

What is the ideal datagram length for a Lync 2013 System Center (r) Conferencing Center VOIP call?

A) 521
B) 4095
C) 12
D) gently caress you Microsoft, nobody loving cares enough to remember that.

hitachi posted:

Speaking of 70-640, is there a recommended book or other resource for studying for it?
It took me about a month of 4 hours a night, 15 hours a weekend to get ready for the test, and I passed by like a 3 question margin.

The Microsoft Press Blue Books are pretty nice. I passed 70-640 about a 8 months ago now using those and the lab exercises it gives you. A combination of reading along, doing the labs, and swearing at it in production got me skilled enough to pass with a ~760. There is a lot of useful poo poo in those books, and a lot of crap you could give two flying fucks about, since nobody I know of use federation, AD RMS, or any network load balancing DHCP server clusters.

Methylethylaldehyde fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Mar 28, 2013

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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God drat do I hate the Microsoft tests sometimes. If I didn't have a near photographic memory for the stupid trivia bullshit they ask you, I would still be failing the 640 series for server 2008. The best test questions are ones asking you about obscure failure modes in server 2012 server management, and which part of the WMI repository you need to adjust security settings on to fix it. Answered that one right because it actually happened to me, and I remembered what google told me to solve it.

That said, they are passable if you study your rear end off, and test really well. If I wasn't such a lucky poo poo when it comes to multiple guess questions, a passing score would never happen.

penga86 posted:

I think I'm in need of some encourage or a new cert to try for. I just failed the 70-640 for the third time (got in the low 600s again):(
Take other tests. Low/mid 600s is really respectable on that shitshow of a test. There are tests that have questions with no right answer, so it's a 50/50 crapshoot every time. The way Microsoft sets up the questions, there are content overlaps between tests. 640 was a oval office, but 642 and 646 share some content with it, and can help get a different view on what the poo poo they're asking you. I just finished my MCSE: Server and MCSE: Desktop, and 640 was literally the shittiest of all 9 tests I've passed. The more of these tests you take, the better your feel for the Microsoft way of testing gets. By the time I was done with the last test, 70-415, I was breezing through the questions fairly quickly. You've literally already studied your rear end off for 85% of the content, and in retrospect I probably could have walked in and tested blind and probably passed.

In order of shittiest to easiest, based on my experience:

70-640 - Amazingly lovely. 40 days of 2 hours a weekday, 4 hours a weekend, labs out the rear end, supplemental work, and I passed with a 726.
70-414 - gently caress you, the only reason I passed you is because I literally work in an environment that leverages fully half your stupid loving VMM and cluster shared shitheap content.
70-413 - Welcome back to sites and services. Enjoy setting up AD structures no sane man would contemplate.
70-646 - Bog standard server admin poo poo. Probably pretty easy for you, I needed to study because I only had ~6 months of real production 2008 AD admin experience at the time. 7+ years of part time AD fuckery experience though.
70-642 - Much easier than 640. If you understand DNS and how Microsoft uses it, you've got half of the test in the bag.
70-417 - Tricky, because gently caress me am I used to the 2008 way of doing things, and 2012 has just enough strange new poo poo, and alternate new (and therefore better, somehow) ways of doing things that some answers are odd.
70-416 - App-V, learn to love App-V, RemoteApps, and System Center
70-415 - I <3 SCCM: The test. Also, MDT, ADK, and how to PXE boot poo poo. 'I use the install media' is the categorically wrong answer here.

Also, what they think 'best' is depends on the Marketing Koolaid they're trying to push (Powershell, System Center), and retarded 'in a vacuum' settings. Nobody in their right loving mind is going to do half the possible answers in a real production environment, because you'd gently caress something up and get fired. But in a lab, or in a 'technically this involved the least number of physical mouse clicks' sense, it was the 'best' answer.

routenull0 posted:

Considering I have personally turned in 3 different "practice" test questions from Boson that matched up to actual Cisco exam questions, I know that not all practice tests are created equal.
A lot of the test entities have a cheating hotline. You can get people in a tremendous world of poo poo if you point out that a certified training instructor is handing out braindumps.

Methylethylaldehyde fucked around with this message at 23:52 on May 15, 2013

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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routenull0 posted:

On 3 separate occasions, I have taken a Cisco exam (CCNA through CCNP/DP), while using Boson, INE, etc to practice test, and come across the *exact* same question, down to IP, AS, etc. I turned over all the relevant information to Cisco to never hear a word back.

You generally have to speak with a real person, and also raise a stink. If it's a big name study firm, they probably got a nastygram about it and not much else. If it's a small time community college teacher who is handing them out, he's just hosed. Yank his certs, bitch out the dean, threaten a lawsuit style poo poo.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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psydude posted:

Yes. That's how life works, deal with it.

e: To put this in perspective: who would you rather hire, someone who you know has the experience and qualifications you're looking for, and whose personality you know will work well with your team and your organization, or someone who you don't know who has slightly better qualifications and experience?

Bingo. And with the kind of competition you see now, the only unfair advantage in job hunting is the one you don't possess.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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Mugaaz posted:

Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom. Using social connections is par for the course, I agree. Doesn't mean it's not completely unfair advantage, and not really any different than cheating on certs. Both are unfair advantages compared to the rest of the people on the level playing field. I'm not out to change the world regarding this, but do we have to glorify it? Everyplace I work see people hiring the most attractive girl, or the guy they know from high school, or the director's cousin, etc. It's stupid bullshit. Give me a cutthroat meritocracy any day. There is nothing better than losing because someone else is better, or winning because you're the best.

Because every single one of us knows someone like that? Huge tool, but a god damned wizard at whatever neckbeard specialty he's good at. If you can use him as contract labor and never ever let anyone near him, he's a useful asset. The second he has to interact with people, out come the MLP fanfic anecdotes and that's it.

Best is a multifaceted metric, and at least one of those facets is 'chances this guy will be a fuckwit'. If you know the guy, and can speak from prior experience that he's hardworking and knows his poo poo, you've removed the hardest part of HR hiring. That's why I'll hire someone that has a staff member that can vouch for them instead of some walkin off craigslist. Does it gently caress a perfectly skilled dude that doesn't know someone? Yes, but I can't waste 3 months dealing with a flaky shithead that interviewed well and the subsequent firing.

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Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

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hitachi posted:

Gonna quote myself in case it was missed during the brain dump shitfest. Doesn't even need to be Visual Cert, just something that has a similar format.

I also wanted to ask, if I plan on studying for MCSA Server stuff does it matter if I go for the 2008 or 2012? Is anyone going to care or is there a benefit to doing one over the other?

I am at the point where I am just trying to get a job out of school and figure the knowledge and/or cert might look good for sys admin jobs or something.

The 2012 tests seem easier than the 2008 ones that test on similar content, just because there is less 2003 poo poo on them, so if you're reasonably well versed on 2012, and know your poo poo on 2008, it's helpful. 2012 won't retire soon, and honestly, server 2012 is pretty sweet now that most of the initial teething problems are sorted. You can finally run System Center 2012, SQL server 2012, all on Windows Server 2012, and not have it collapse into a pile of failure.

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