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Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010



Though once he got out the first time he literally says he's not going back in ever again.

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King Of Coons
May 5, 2006


BrotherJayne posted:

Edit: Also, what the gently caress, Avon? You knew you needed to muscle up, and were cut off from the pool of northern enforcers. So develop the goddamn local talent! It's not like Stringer ain't got the fuckin's warchest to fund it. Shiiiiieeeeeeet.

This is easier said than done. Maturing young prospects takes years and the league already had their eyes on the Baltimore Barksdales for being right at the salary cap.

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

The only Real Science is Military Science.
Staffwork, Tables, Estimates, Maps - STEM


King Of Coons posted:

This is easier said than done. Maturing young prospects takes years and the league already had their eyes on the Baltimore Barksdales for being right at the salary cap.

Come on, buddy. Parris Island takes 13 weeks, and you don't need nearly that quality to hit corners.

Take 100 youths. Perform health and mental aptitude checks, drop the those too fat, blind, deaf, or stupid.

Take the 80 that remain. Start classroom instruction, start mixing in some pugil activity to foster aggression, drop those that can't be instructed and arn't aggressive enough.

Take the 40 that remain. Start firearms training, sandbox and killtown exercises, and comm standards.

Finish with 30 killer cubs. Put 25 on the streets, retain 5 as instructors, start the process again. Periodically perform refresher courses.

The whole cycle can be managed in a month, and the end product obviously won't all be Rambo motherfuckers, but you'll have consistency and quality sufficient to handle street actions.

Edit: Take with a grain of salt. I'm making assumptions based on the general quality of anticipated OPFOR. A specialist (USASF Green Beret types) would probably be able to pin it down better

Edit 2: "Buddy" not intended as insulting, just in case it was taken that way

Edit 3: Edits are fun!

BrotherJayne fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 11, 2019

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007


Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952






:stonk:

Suxpool
Nov 20, 2002
I want something good to die for...to make it beautiful to live

BrotherJayne posted:

Come on, buddy. Parris Island takes 13 weeks, and you don't need nearly that quality to hit corners.

Take 100 youths. Perform health and mental aptitude checks, drop the those too fat, blind, deaf, or stupid.

Take the 80 that remain. Start classroom instruction, start mixing in some pugil activity to foster aggression, drop those that can't be instructed and arn't aggressive enough.

Take the 40 that remain. Start firearms training, sandbox and killtown exercises, and comm standards.

Finish with 30 killer cubs. Put 25 on the streets, retain 5 as instructors, start the process again. Periodically perform refresher courses.

The whole cycle can be managed in a month, and the end product obviously won't all be Rambo motherfuckers, but you'll have consistency and quality sufficient to handle street actions.

Edit: Take with a grain of salt. I'm making assumptions based on the general quality of anticipated OPFOR. A specialist (USASF Green Beret types) would probably be able to pin it down better

Edit 2: "Buddy" not intended as insulting, just in case it was taken that way

Edit 3: Edits are fun!

whoa dude

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

What would Stringer Bell say about taking notes about all this

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle



I mean aside from the wtf of that, you essentially see something like that happen next season with Marlow's crew.

Mr. Prokosch
Feb 14, 2012

Behold My Magnificence!


That poo poo reminds me of something a relative of mine who was kind of connected to drug/gang poo poo told me. Ex-military guys are really valuable. They have very relevant training personally and they can pass a lot of it on, they have some discipline, they're often comfortable with killing people. They're also often easy to recruit for the same reason a lot of veterans are homeless. A young veteran or two coming back to your run down neighborhood is a dream come true.

Chris always struck me as a veteran and a real boon to the Stanfield organization.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle



Mr. Prokosch posted:

That poo poo reminds me of something a relative of mine who was kind of connected to drug/gang poo poo told me. Ex-military guys are really valuable. They have very relevant training personally and they can pass a lot of it on, they have some discipline, they're often comfortable with killing people. They're also often easy to recruit for the same reason a lot of veterans are homeless. A young veteran or two coming back to your run down neighborhood is a dream come true.

Chris always struck me as a veteran and a real boon to the Stanfield organization.

This is what I got too from Chris, not even like he was some hypercompetent special forces guy, but one of the money people with criminal records who enlisted during the height of the GWOT when they were waiving a lot of the background stuff to get boots on the ground. I remember hearing news reports handwringing about these guys coming back and teaching MILITARY TACTICS to like MS-13/Crips/Bloods etc.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

I just found some really old questions I had written down to post and never did.

1. When Omar robbed Marlo at the poker game, why wouldn't he have just shot Marlo as soon as Marlo promised revenge, while on his way out with all the money? Could have saved himself a lot of trouble later, although I'm guessing there's a good reason.

2. When the police led by Marimow went around raiding all the suspected stashhouses and came up empty, why wasn't Old Face Andre's convenience store on the list? Didn't Greggs document it as a stash house? She certainly thought it was one. Wasn't it still a major distribution point?

3. When the other prisoner made an attempt on Omar in the prison cafeteria, it seemed like they were already somehow in line ahead of Omar and picked a fight with someone else who was also ahead of Omar as a cover for the attack. How could the attacker have known Omar was going to get in line right behind him? lol

Fragmented
Oct 7, 2003

I'm not ready =(



BrotherJayne posted:

Come on, buddy. Parris Island takes 13 weeks, and you don't need nearly that quality to hit corners.

Take 100 youths. Perform health and mental aptitude checks, drop the those too fat, blind, deaf, or stupid.

Take the 80 that remain. Start classroom instruction, start mixing in some pugil activity to foster aggression, drop those that can't be instructed and arn't aggressive enough.

Take the 40 that remain. Start firearms training, sandbox and killtown exercises, and comm standards.

Finish with 30 killer cubs. Put 25 on the streets, retain 5 as instructors, start the process again. Periodically perform refresher courses.

The whole cycle can be managed in a month, and the end product obviously won't all be Rambo motherfuckers, but you'll have consistency and quality sufficient to handle street actions.

Edit: Take with a grain of salt. I'm making assumptions based on the general quality of anticipated OPFOR. A specialist (USASF Green Beret types) would probably be able to pin it down better

Edit 2: "Buddy" not intended as insulting, just in case it was taken that way

Edit 3: Edits are fun!

I mean it's basically how they trained irregulars in WW2: Drop some special forces dudes behind lines and do pretty much most of that. These are also pretty much paramilitary organizations, i mean poo poo you're up against the United States government at the height of the drug war...

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

by Fluffdaddy


Greenhouse Gas is HOT, yo!

Gas up!

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

The more you temper a stick, the stronger it becomes

Fun Shoe

Dumb Lowtax posted:

I just found some really old questions I had written down to post and never did.

1. When Omar robbed Marlo at the poker game, why wouldn't he have just shot Marlo as soon as Marlo promised revenge, while on his way out with all the money? Could have saved himself a lot of trouble later, although I'm guessing there's a good reason.

2. When the police led by Marimow went around raiding all the suspected stashhouses and came up empty, why wasn't Old Face Andre's convenience store on the list? Didn't Greggs document it as a stash house? She certainly thought it was one. Wasn't it still a major distribution point?

3. When the other prisoner made an attempt on Omar in the prison cafeteria, it seemed like they were already somehow in line ahead of Omar and picked a fight with someone else who was also ahead of Omar as a cover for the attack. How could the attacker have known Omar was going to get in line right behind him? lol

1) I could be forgetting, but if I'm not mistaken Omar didn't know that was Marlo at the card game. All Joe told Omar was it was a valuable card game worth robbing. Even if Omar did know it was Marlo, he didn't have any reason to execute him at the time and doing that wouldn't be Omar's way. Omar only gets that way when given a reason and Marlo hadn't yet given one at that point.

2) I don't remember Kima doing that. I do remember Bunk identifying it as a drug house when he was trying to verify Andre's story about Omar but he did it in an off handed comment kind of way and I never got the impression he officially reported it.

3) Butchie's friends that got sent into prison to help Omar may have set it up that way. My guess is they let it be known Omar was about to come out and join the line, and then made sure Omar got into position but with the proper protection to defend himself.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016



regarding number 3, you don't stop being a soldier when you get locked up. I'm assuming the bounty was out, and it was all hands on deck with everyone ready to shiv at a moment's notice. if it wasn't the guy in the lunch line it woulda been someone in the showers or the library or whatever.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



For the last one, it was an open bounty so I assume the guy who jumped Omar was just the first guy who got the chance, and everybody immediately saw how that went for him and that Omar wasn't going to be an easy target.

God Hole posted:

regarding number 3, you don't stop being a soldier when you get locked up. I'm assuming the bounty was out, and it was all hands on deck with everyone ready to shiv at a moment's notice. if it wasn't the guy in the lunch line it woulda been someone in the showers or the library or whatever.

Just noticed this while typing my reply, so yeah I agree :hai:

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Thanks all. Wasn't there a scene of Kima doing a stakeout outside Andre's and narrating as suspicious stuff was happening? It's been a while so I don't remember, just guessing at the frame of mind I was in when I typed those so many episodes ago

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.




Sugartime Jones

She was watching, Omar was running commentary up the block

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Got it. That sounds familiar.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Think something witty and pretend it's written here.



Mr. Prokosch posted:

That poo poo reminds me of something a relative of mine who was kind of connected to drug/gang poo poo told me. Ex-military guys are really valuable. They have very relevant training personally and they can pass a lot of it on, they have some discipline, they're often comfortable with killing people. They're also often easy to recruit for the same reason a lot of veterans are homeless. A young veteran or two coming back to your run down neighborhood is a dream come true.

Chris always struck me as a veteran and a real boon to the Stanfield organization.

Isn't one of the largest current drug cartels basically a law enforcement spec ops division switching to a more lucrative business?

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle



Der Kyhe posted:

Isn't one of the largest current drug cartels basically a law enforcement spec ops division switching to a more lucrative business?

The Los Zeta's yes did start after a bunch of Mexican Commando's decided they could make more money as muscle for the Gulf Cartel, then realized the could make even more money running their own cartel. I think by now all of the original commando's are dead or in prison and the Zeta's are not as big as they used to be. Still a big cartel, but I don't think they are the biggest in Mexico currently, but I am not a super close observer of the situation.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004



Dumb Lowtax posted:

The part about him beating up a Bernie supporter during 2016 was unexpected, yikes

He took playing a piece of poo poo cop too close to heart.

gileadexile
Jul 20, 2012


So after trying to get into this show on goon recommendations years back and deciding to wait until my wife was into a watch as well, I'm starting a watchthrough. Just wanted to make a post thanking every goon who made a recommend or had some sort of in joke or reference that made me want to watch.

Can't wait to go back to page 8 and read back through to current and see how my thoughts have changed.

Thanks goons.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Before this thread the old Wire thread had a spoiler rule because so few people had seen it. That is what got me into it haha.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004




I've been watching Succession, and I feel like Kieran Culkin's character is a vision of what Ziggy would be like if he had been born into money instead

BrotherJayne
Nov 27, 2019

The only Real Science is Military Science.
Staffwork, Tables, Estimates, Maps - STEM


Fragmented posted:

I mean it's basically how they trained irregulars in WW2: Drop some special forces dudes behind lines and do pretty much most of that. These are also pretty much paramilitary organizations, i mean poo poo you're up against the United States government at the height of the drug war...

Actually... yeah, it's a very close to 1 to 1 overlay, isn't it

theblackw0lf
Apr 14, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"

https://twitter.com/HBO/status/1222950102425272320

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Holy poo poo that looks incredible

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Just don't do what I did and google it and find out more than you wanted to know.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

algebra testes posted:

Just don't do what I did and google it and find out more than you wanted to know.

Agggh no David Simon stop dating this goon's mom

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Agggh no David Simon stop dating this goon's mom
I wanted it to be one way, but it's the other way.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

Just got blocked by David Simon on Twitter for posting this comment. I'll take it as a badge of honor. He's usually such a hero on Twitter, his anger must be just coming out sideways today.

https://twitter.com/Monogrammaton/status/1230369026729099264

e: he even replied!
https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1230369302982905856

Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Feb 20, 2020

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005



Pillbug

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Just got blocked by David Simon on Twitter for posting this comment. I'll take it as a badge of honor. He's usually such a hero on Twitter, his anger must be just coming out sideways today.

https://twitter.com/Monogrammaton/status/1230369026729099264

e: he even replied!
https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1230369302982905856

you sealioned on in and got what was coming to you

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Can I be honest? I dont understand how David "the System is broken" Simon isnt all for the system is broken candidate.

And please explain it to me using the word "fucknuckle" for maximum authenticity.

Happy Thread
Jul 9, 2005

by Fluffdaddy


Plaster Town Cop

awesmoe posted:

you sealioned on in and got what was coming to you

Oh really, I got what was coming, what's that? :rolleyes: Am I supposed to feel punished that one single person on Twitter can no longer see my posts after their tantrum? Ok.

He's so petty that he followed it with a gloating message that he blocked me, and then 20 minutes later he was still thinking about it so much that he came back to ALSO scrub me from his "followed by" list. I know because for a while there I still had him followed.

And I guess it's sealioning now if anyone wants to have a conversation at all after someone publicly declares for a presidential candidate, on open discussion forum in a thread they started. Especially if how they did it is wildly inconsistent and off-tone for them, in a way that their fans will have loads of questions about.

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.



algebra testes posted:

Can I be honest? I dont understand how David "the System is broken" Simon isnt all for the system is broken candidate.

And please explain it to me using the word "fucknuckle" for maximum authenticity.

My guess is he doesn't see any of the candidates as outside the system, so he picked one who he thought most likely to win and/or do something useful? While pledging to support another candidate if they get the nomination?

Fucknuckle.

Dumb Lowtax posted:

And I guess it's sealioning now if anyone wants to have a conversation at all after someone publicly declares for a presidential candidate, on open discussion forum in a thread they started. Especially if how they did it is wildly inconsistent and off-tone for them, in a way that their fans will have loads of questions about.

Nobody would interpret your reply as interest in having a conversation. You came in hot and got burnt. No big deal, though "badge of honor" is a stretch.

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN


algebra testes posted:

Can I be honest? I dont understand how David "the System is broken" Simon isnt all for the system is broken candidate.

And please explain it to me using the word "fucknuckle" for maximum authenticity.

I mean there's also a theme of every who tries to break away from/radically change the system getting hosed even worse than the people who work within it, by the people who work within it - the co-op, Hamsterdam, Randy, McNulty in general, etc.

I love the Wire, but it never presents answers, just a hopeless situation. I don't feel the show every made the point that 'We must abolish the system and start again', rather the point 'The system is the system, and if you don't play by the rules, those invested in maintaining the system will grind you into dust to maintain the status quo'

e; The only answers and happy endings it presents are Bubbles and Namond (Wee-bay's kid? I forget his name) lucking into the circumstances that lead to them pulling their lives out of the shitter.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!


I mean everyone knows David Simon is kind of a prick.

It doesn’t effect my enjoyment of the show but he has always been a thin skinned rear end in a top hat

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!



Fun Shoe

Yea I'm a Wire fan who's watched the show at least three times but at no point did I ever feel like David Simon would be a fun dude to just hang out and drink a beer with.

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005



Pillbug

Dramatika posted:

I love the Wire, but it never presents answers, just a hopeless situation. I don't feel the show every made the point that 'We must abolish the system and start again', rather the point 'The system is the system, and if you don't play by the rules, those invested in maintaining the system will grind you into dust to maintain the status quo'

e; The only answers and happy endings it presents are Bubbles and Namond (Wee-bay's kid? I forget his name) lucking into the circumstances that lead to them pulling their lives out of the shitter.

fwiw from the book of `the corner` I get the impression he believes that meaningful, lasting change can only really come when people care about each other on a personal level (hence bunny, for naymond, and steve earle/kima with bubbles). Obviously he's aware of how impractical and difficult and plain unlikely to happen this is.

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Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

The more you temper a stick, the stronger it becomes

Fun Shoe

There is also a recurring theme in old liberal people that I have noticed where basically they are too broke brained by years of failure and Capitalism to even imagine that there can be a better way, and they assume any far left or idealistic candidate is going to lose. Nobody is more emblematic of that than Chris Matthews, but I wouldn't be surprised if David Simon is another one of those who wants change but believes it can only come from what he perceives to be the more realistic candidate.

For some reason a lot of older liberals just can't accept the idea that major change is possible or a good idea. They've been told for years that it has to be incremental and there has to be compromise to get anything done and that concept is drilled into their heads.

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