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Not to agree with the poster getting aggro about spoilers, but I'd definitely keep them close to the chest (including who lives to the end of the series) for the guy still watching. 
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OK, and closing out season two: - I hope every season has at least one totally pointless police-terrorizing-the-projects-for-security-theater-politics scene. So far we're 2-for-2. - The duck dying of alcohol poisoning within one episode made me cackle. Everything Ziggy tries fails. A tryhard made up entirely of flopsweat. - Speaking of Ziggy, shocker: he gets beat up again! But, oooh, this time he's got a gun, and the very first thing he does with it is shoot some teenager when he predictably gets screwed again. Major Columbine vibes from Ziggy. - And then he gets beat up AGAIN offscreen while he's in jail awaiting his hearing! - "Did he have hands? Did he have a face? Yes? Then it wasn't us!" - I usually find cat-and-mouse stories pretty tedious, but it's pretty impressive how many moving parts there are in The Wire, how realistically they move, and how well they're juggled. The closest comparison I can think of (in terms of attention-to-detail, not scale) is the first half of Death Note. I can tell that it's just going to keep expanding, too. - "Probably sending a text message? My kids are crazy over that." - Felt very dumb not putting 2 and 2 together to guess that Brother Mouzon would be Nation of Islam. Also, if you told me that Gus Fring was 10% inspired by this character, I'd believe it. - Omar vs. Brother Mouzon! ...Not quite as fun as I was expecting, but still, really enjoyed their conversation. - Also, gimmie that "I AM THE AMERICAN DREAM" shirt Omar's got. - I rewound Prez punching Valchek four times in a row. - I appreciate that Nick got increasingly sleazy looking over the course of the season, only to clean up that facial hair before turning himself in. - If we divide the first season into two casts (the law vs. the street), each cast had a mixture of characters I enjoyed or found underwhelming/forgettable. The second season added a third cast (the port), and thank god for Frank Sobotka because otherwise the port cast was pretty dire. They were mostly fine actors, and a couple were decently interesting (The Greek, Bea), but I couldn't give less of a poo poo about most of them. - That made the end of episode 11 a real fuckin' bummer, to put it lightly. - Really frustrating that the law has made the same dipshit mistake three times now. Every time they get a perfect informant, whether it's Wallace, Dee, or Frank, they always dilly-dally around and fail to close out. - Oooh, dang, that shot in the finale where Nick realizes that Frank saved his life by refusing to let him go to the bridge meetup, and then the camera focus shifts to Frank's picture on the board in the background. - "No one fucks with us on our turf." <-- well that's just definitely not true, Nick. God, if I find out in season 3 that the car trailing him was a goon sent to kill him rather than his police protection, I'm going to pull my hair out. I think the Greek mentioned pulling all of their guys out, though, so it's probably not. Overall, I think I enjoyed season 1 a little more because of my greater affinity for more of the characters involved, but season 2 was excellent and very impressive television. I see how it's a clear step up.
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Jan 31, 2024 06:05
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surf rock posted:- I rewound Prez punching Valchek four times in a row. I wasn't all that impressed. It was a penny-cheap sucker punch that would've got his rear end kicked in by a real police except for the fact that Valchek has his daughter's feelings to consider.  It was so great!
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Season 2 also contains one of the only cases of The Wire, where all the pieces and continuity matters, with a continuity hole that doesn't show up til seasons later. The mysterious recasting of Prez's wife.
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Jan 31, 2024 07:32
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I gotta be perfectly honest, I never noticed that at all (or if I did, I completely forgot!)
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Jan 31, 2024 08:02
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Are we absolutely sure it’s the same one?
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Jan 31, 2024 08:35
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surf rock posted:- Speaking of Ziggy, shocker: he gets beat up again! But, oooh, this time he's got a gun, and the very first thing he does with it is shoot some teenager when he predictably gets screwed again. Major Columbine vibes from Ziggy. You had a totally different reaction to me regarding Ziggy. I found his story utterly heartbreaking, and the moment when he takes the gun and basically ruins his life in a moment of anger was amazing TV. I love Frank, but Ziggy is the MVP of Season Two, specifically because the show plays him as a clown until it blows up spectacularly.
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Jan 31, 2024 09:29
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I found Ziggy so intolerable the first time through that it made me like the show less. With time, and honestly getting older myself and better understanding the variety of people in this world, I've come to really appreciate Ziggy's story. After he shoots the Greeks and goes out to his car is one of the rare instances in the show where the camera work gets a bit fancy, showing him in a sort of trance. I guess that happens a couple times this season. Anyway, I found it effective and believable. Something the wire does very well is slow elaborate plans and also the idiots that totally gently caress those plans for everyone involved. But also making you feel for these people and understanding why they acted as they did. Also: watch Generation Kill
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the guy playing ziggy is really good and absolutely annihilated the role that the writers were going for. also in generation kill and his one off in burn notice
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Jan 31, 2024 14:41
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james ransone. nothing against pablo schreiber, but he was just outclassed
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Charting my journey with Ziggy over the course of the season, beginning with the first third:surf rock posted:- Nick is kind of a nothing character to me (meaning that he's just a realistic normal dude), but the Ziggy performance is perfectly calibrated. This annoying horndog loser dipshit who's just barely narrowly skirting a brutal beatdown from everyone who knows him through a mixture of intermittent charm and connections. Then the second third: surf rock posted:- Give me hours of Ziggy getting beat up or hosed with. He's like an early 20-something version of Paulie from the Rocky franchise. The Maui "fight" was extremely entertaining though. And the final third: surf rock posted:- The duck dying of alcohol poisoning within one episode made me cackle. Everything Ziggy tries fails. A tryhard made up entirely of flopsweat. Following up on the first post: the Ziggy performance is excellent. It's a difficult character to play, and he does the best you possibly could with it. I think the reason I stopped seeing him as a person and started seeing him as, like, a looney tune was just how often he got poo poo on. Outside of a nice conversation with his dad and the brief sugar rush of his surf rock fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Jan 31, 2024 14:59
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Can someone post the sobotka boys Superbowl commercial for this chap?
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King Of Coons posted:Can someone post the sobotka boys Superbowl commercial for this chap? Please do because I've never heard of this
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Feb 1, 2024 00:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluvJby2baA We used to make things in this country.... but who can argue with the engineering and technical marvels of Toyota!
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Jerusalem posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluvJby2baA Holy poo poo was that Dario Cueto as the game show host?!
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Jerusalem posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluvJby2baA Wonder how Frank feels about non union Toyota plants.
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Dango Bango posted:Holy poo poo was that Dario Cueto as the game show host?! Yep! I wonder where his MY BROTHER THE MONSTER MATANZA was? 
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Feb 1, 2024 03:26
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I understand Ziggy's spiritual essence basically as the Little Birthday Boy:
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algebra testes posted:Wonder how Frank feels about non union Toyota plants. he blames Ronald "Union Buster" Reagan
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Baltimore politician gets taken out by "head shot." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-baltimore-state-s-attorney-marilyn-mosby-found-guilty-of-one-count-of-mortgage-fraud/ar-BB1hT1Qb
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Feb 6, 2024 23:16
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https://www.npr.org/2024/02/05/1225...OWoBmeTl-oOP9rM NPR article on George Pelecanos
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deoju posted:Baltimore politician gets taken out by "head shot."
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I just saw Chris Bauer/Frank Sobotka in a clip of For All Mankind on YouTube. Is that show worth watching? It looks extremely silly but it has like four seasons? Is it supposed to be campy?
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Feb 10, 2024 00:40
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The first season yes. Every season after that in my opinion has only gotten worse, and the latest season I just kinda got bored and stopped watching after the first couple of episodes.
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Feb 10, 2024 01:13
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Jerusalem posted:The first season yes. Every season after that in my opinion has only gotten worse, and the latest season I just kinda got bored and stopped watching after the first couple of episodes. I’ll disagree but I haven’t fully finished the latest season. I really like the show though
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Feb 10, 2024 01:18
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Definitely worth watching. It's not campy but they're clearly having some fun with the premise, if that makes sense?
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grobbo posted:I understand Ziggy's spiritual essence basically as the Little Birthday Boy: roomtone fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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pokeyman posted:Definitely worth watching. It's not campy but they're clearly having some fun with the premise, if that makes sense? Maybe it's just that I'm not American, but if it's not quite campy it's certainly pretty cheesy. Love the concept, but I only watched the first three or four episodes before the lip quivery 'murca speeches turned me off. It's very...Ronald D Moore
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Jerusalem posted:I gotta be perfectly honest, I never noticed that at all (or if I did, I completely forgot!) It's extremely minor bit she shows up at the dinner party and then when she reappears in season 4 it's a different person. It's one of the only times where The Wire's complete continuity and perfectionism, no matter how minor a character, is missed.
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Just finished my first watch of the entire series...and it definitely lives up to its reputation. It's hard to believe they were able to get so many different characters to weave in and out of the narrative like that. This show's extended cast has to have like 40 different characters.
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So I was wondering around Wikipedia as you do, trying to find the origin of the "don't go pulling every body you find, we'll be here all day" anecdote because in looking for one suspect who may have jumped in the River Thames the Met Police have found two other bodies. Went straight to the Homicide book page, didn't find the anecdote but did see that some of the detectives have their own pages including Oscar Requer who was the inspiration for Bunk Moreland and the man 100% looks like you would expect the real life Bunk to look like
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Feb 11, 2024 20:39
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I remember reading an article about showing The Wire to actual drug dealers and they were all 100% convinced Bunk was on the take because he was dressed too well to be an honest officer
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StashAugustine posted:I remember reading an article about showing The Wire to actual drug dealers and they were all 100% convinced Bunk was on the take because he was dressed too well to be an honest officer That's a legit complaint. We Own This City certainly used how the officers dressed to show who was crooked.
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StashAugustine posted:I remember reading an article about showing The Wire to actual drug dealers and they were all 100% convinced Bunk was on the take because he was dressed too well to be an honest officer I read one of those articles. It wasn't talking about Bunk, but they were saying a different cop was clearly on the take. It made me think that one of the few omissions of the wire was that it showed so little of cops working with drug dealers. I guess We Own This City kinda updates that aspect.
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I guess that could have been what Daniels was doing, but we don’t meet him until much later.
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Count Roland posted:I read one of those articles. It wasn't talking about Bunk, but they were saying a different cop was clearly on the take. Yeah I think what they were talking about was less being dealers themselves and more just having some people you tip off in return for favors- basically a similar relationship as the Greek has with the FBI but on a smaller scale
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OK, first three episodes of season 3: - Opener rankings: 1 > 3 > 2 - Great little speech from Bodie to open the season. - Much like with Ziggy, I have cognitive dissonance from how much I enjoy the performance from Carver's actor versus how poo poo Carver is. Awesome police brutality speech to the neighborhood, dipshit. He and Herc haven't learned anything. And they continue steadfastly refusing to learn from Bunny Colvin too. - To be fair, nobody has learned anything. If anything, most of the characters are regressing. - Stringer applying Robert's Rules of Order to his meetings is great. - I cannot wait to see the Avon vs. Stringer confrontation we're barreling toward. I actually have no idea how it will go. Stringer is such a fun character and is seemingly set up to be the big antagonist of the show so my assumption has been that he'll have Avon killed before he gets out on parole, but on the other hand, Stringer's approach toward the game is looking pretty naïve at this point. This is the first time I've started wondering whether Avon has a shot to regain power just by being more violent while also being intelligent. - Just another unbelievable entry into a season from Omar. - As someone who's not a pet owner or even very affectionate to dogs, the dogfighting scene still hosed me up. That's some messed-up poo poo. - Herc and Carver running into Bodie and Poot at the movies is fun but also the kind of scene you've gotta save for deep into a show's run because it's goofy as hell. - That said, the slapstick timing of the door opening just as the battering ram or whatever the gently caress it's called swings through the now-empty doorway (immediately followed by the "uhhhhh" hesitation) was perfect in that same episode. - I'm glad that our major crimes unit looked at four murders in one night and was like "actually, you know what, we should probably intervene here even if it means giving up the wire to stop this." The show would be a lot worse if the cops never had a pang of consciousness strike, even if McNulty ended up being right in this case. - GODDAMN Cedric is ripped. - I really like Bunny and I know what happens to the characters I really like, so it's not looking promising for him. The foreshadowing here is heavy. - Getting some Patrick Bateman vibes from the councilman. - In terms of my pet interests, I've been hoping to get more into the city's politics, so this season has been a treat so far.
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Count Roland posted:I read one of those articles. It wasn't talking about Bunk, but they were saying a different cop was clearly on the take. Well, it certainly showed it in the Department of Corrections. With the regular PD, the show doesn't have that many random cops who would have been on the take. It was mainly the Homicide detectives and Major Crimes.
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surf rock posted:OK, first three episodes of season 3: Awww yes, I love this, can't wait to see how you react to how things shake out. And yeah, I absolutely love the SWAT guy just going blank and having no idea what to do when the loving door just opens and all his training goes out the window, and the detective has to motion at them to get the gently caress in there 
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