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Ainsley McTree posted:Banished to the memory hole with Rawls’ hard R n word I remember that one quite well
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algebra testes posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDOEagm3X8w Ranking 24 up there with the big dogs. Somewhere a single tear dripped down Kiefer's cheek
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Precambrian posted:The problem with this is you could so easily make The Wire in the Soviet Union or Cuba or in any socialist state with sufficient state capacity,. So either "capitalism" is a godlike force far too powerful for a feeble ideology like Marxism to defeat, or... The Game is about something bigger than capitalism. The Wire is about systems, about how increasing system capacity, whether in street gangs, corporations, or government agencies, demands greater sophistication, and with it, a greater reliance on data, doctrine, and hierarchy. You could say that Chernobyl is HBO's socialist equivalent to The Wire: men who need to hit quota and check off a box to secure their promotions, a disastrous reliance on numbers without any consideration that the methodology matters, and bosses who will sacrifice their underlings to preserve their status only to be sacrificed by their bosses to preserve their status. Chernobyl is not exactly based on facts. If you want to see a show about systems set in a socialist country I recommend pretty much any Chinese poverty alleviation drama like Daughter of the Mountains or Minning Town, or just general development drama such as Like a Flowing River. All three are available with English subtitles on youtube. You’ll find though that systems in a socialist state function quite differently than in a bourgeois state, and actually quite a lot of fucks are given and expected to be given. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Apr 25, 2025 |
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Poverty Alleviation Drama? Are we being trolled?
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Count Roland posted:Poverty Alleviation Drama? Are we being trolled? No. China has achieved extraordinary levels of poverty reduction. They have made dramas about this. Why is that so hard to believe?
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Barry Foster posted:No. China has achieved extraordinary levels of poverty reduction. They have made dramas about this. Why is that so hard to believe? I don't doubt they exist. I wonder why they're being brought up in The Wire thread, a show about how laws and policy and corruption and poverty combine in complicated ways to gently caress over a lot of people. A show about a party member giving up the easy life to work for her fellow citizens sounds like plain propaganda.
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The Wire shows how laws and policy and corruption and poverty in a bourgeois state combine to gently caress over a lot of people. I wonder why someone would bring up shows which show how laws and policy and labour and development in a socialist state combine to help a lot of people escape poverty and otherwise improve their lives. They used to make good posts here, no?
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Orange Devil posted:Chernobyl is not exactly based on facts. If you want to see a show about systems set in a socialist country I recommend pretty much any Chinese poverty alleviation drama like Daughter of the Mountains or Minning Town, or just general development drama such as Like a Flowing River. All three are available with English subtitles on youtube. Not having watched chernobyl, what about is non-factual? I thought it was a dramatisation of the utter shitshow that led to and was the accident
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ilmucche posted:Not having watched chernobyl, what about is non-factual? I thought it was a dramatisation of the utter shitshow that led to and was the accident they portray the decision to evacuate pripiyat as a response to the story leaking in the west when historically they ordered the evacuation within 24 hours of the disaster for one thing. Count Roland posted:Poverty Alleviation Drama? Are we being trolled? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8dv_IepPWg
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Count Roland posted:Poverty Alleviation Drama? Are we being trolled? in a better world, FDR would be the god emperor of the USA and we would be on season 50 about a group of youngsters working at a WPA station.
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Count Roland posted:I don't doubt they exist. I wonder why they're being brought up in The Wire thread, a show about how laws and policy and corruption and poverty combine in complicated ways to gently caress over a lot of people. A show about a party member giving up the easy life to work for her fellow citizens sounds like plain propaganda. because minning town is actually based on an actual place that grew from scratch in an era where baltimore was sliding? The show is very pretty but kinda drab. A more fictionalized version of the genre is "Like a Flowing River." Because its essentially a fictional story about an historical era, you have "few bad apples" critiques of CPC cadre in the show - much like how american TV dramas show few bad apples in newer cop dramas that don't portray american cities as a GTAV multiplayer Server.
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Yeah, so it sucks. I mean most tv is like that, in the West and elsewhere. Easy stereotypes, easy cliches. Maybe challenging in some ways but usually challenging to a certain group and not others. Controversial in ways that seem absurd a generation later. All that is what the Wire isn't. It's nobody's propaganda (well, maybe for newspaper journalists). It will age very well because it captured things very close to how they are, warts and all.
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the wire is in a sense propaganda for the ruling class as it does the old liberal trope of presenting the problem and then just shrugging when it comes to any meaningful solution. Not intentionally so but that sort of phenomon is how the superstructure reproduces itself.
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Almost all the major characters in the show are either failed by or actively chewed up and shat out by the system except for people who had enough means, luck, or education to either escape it or climb high enough on the ladder to benefit from it. IIRC the only people to have a positive, hopeful ending are folks like Namond or Bubbles who had guardians or families to help them out of the system or at least support them enough to help them climb to a safer rung. The only solution it presents is that if you don't have a good rabbi (using Royce's term there), or if you aren't a lamprey like Valcheck or Rawls, you're hosed. The show is a piece of fictional journalism, and old-school journalists like Simon, if I can generalize, are not activists so much as a grand jury who let their reporting serve as indictments. Sure, we'd all like him to do The Wire 2: Socialism Solves Everything, Oh and Also Free Palestine, but the man doesn't work in that particular field.
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Count Roland posted:Yeah, so it sucks. Those poverty alleviation dramas you are scoffing at also captured things very close to how they were, which is why they resonated very well with their primary audience.
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Stairmaster posted:they portray the decision to evacuate pripiyat as a response to the story leaking in the west when historically they ordered the evacuation within 24 hours of the disaster for one thing. The most bizarre thing that leaps out at me is that they double down on the Bridge of Death definitely being real when it's extremely unclear if it actually was. Like it's a fun show but there's enough stuff that's very sloppy that I can't take it at face value
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Stairmaster posted:the wire is in a sense propaganda for the ruling class as it does the old liberal trope of presenting the problem and then just shrugging when it comes to any meaningful solution. Not intentionally so but that sort of phenomon is how the superstructure reproduces itself. Why do I get the feeling that everything is propaganda for the ruling class unless it explicitly pushes socialism as the solution.
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Count Roland posted:Why do I get the feeling that everything is propaganda for the ruling class unless it explicitly pushes socialism as the solution. You're the only one saying it and you've been, at best, dismissive and standoffish so it might just be you.
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Count Roland posted:Why do I get the feeling that everything is propaganda for the ruling class unless it explicitly pushes socialism as the solution. Because it is, hoss Because it is
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Poverty alleviation drama sounds like a newspaper article written about town council embezzlement
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Just got back from watching Thunderbolts, and the movie had small roles for both Bunk and Frank Sobotka
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The actor who played 'Horseface' on the second season of The Wire passed away https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/charley-scalies-dead-the-wire-sopranos-1236206891/
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Jerusalem posted:I love the reveals in both the school and later the police department that they received some actual useful technology (and in the school's case, updated editions of their books!) but without any kind of context or explanation so they just got shoved in storage and had to be discovered by others randomly before being put into use. Why that rang so funny to me was, in 2014 I worked in a hotel with about 180 TVs in it. Keeping poo poo updated so that pay per view, information channels, etc kept working was a monstrous pain in the rear end using a 15 year-old Linux PC that booted successfully maybe one out of every four tries. Then one day while cleaning out a storage room, we saw that as part of our last renovation in four years prior we had received a nice big up to date LodgeNet server that was supposed to handle all that poo poo fairly seamlessly. Our late-70s chief engineer, a man who had to refer to a set of written instructions to check his email, had just shoved it in a corner not knowing what it was. Wherever you go, there you are indeed.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The actor who played 'Horseface' on the second season of The Wire passed away You're still on the clock kid 
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Ainsley McTree posted:they're all real in heaven you beat me to the reference and did it better than I would've 
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FlamingLiberal posted:The actor who played 'Horseface' on the second season of The Wire passed away Do you think he's going to ask God if he likes fake tits?
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