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isk
Oct 3, 2007

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escape artist posted:

Another Season 5 callback-- during the serial killer thing, Judge Phelan has like 10 bottles of pills on his desk, when he only had one in the first season. Just a funny little thing.

Head just exploded. This is journalism porn.

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isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Waylon's good stuff. He was in that same legendary generation of Elvis, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, and so on.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Another way of looking at it is that Herc lacks strength of character, like D'Angelo. Neither of them are bad, per se. In fact, they occasionally do commendable things for their people. They're just really impressionable, like children, as they generally take direction from the figures they perceive as authority at the time. When left to their own judgment, they gently caress up or they do something morally wrong because they've never learned how to consistently make good decisions for themselves.

Each of them loses faith in the establishment to which they identify at the start of the series, since they have to take a fall. They're still culpable, right, they're not innocent, but they're each put into risky situations without the proper supervision they need to excel. If Daniels had been leading the MCU, he probably would've kept Lester in charge of operations who would've kept Herc to more menial tasks - ones he probably would've been okay with, had he continued to be supervised by quality bosses with the work leading to bigger stuff. Look at his little speech to the new Narcotics guys at the end of s1. After initially grousing at the rooftop work, he was shown where it could lead. He sounds like a true believer.

And D, well...

isk fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 8, 2013

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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escape artist posted:

Well, remember Herc (and Carver) quits the MCU because they felt disrespected for being given such menial tasks.

For sure, but the MCU is being run for a long time by a manager who doesn't give a poo poo. And as good as Lester is at the investigation itself, he's not the most effective manager when it comes to retaining folks. Had Lester continued to display the type of mentoring he shows in S1, Herc likely would've stayed on. Any time folks are given orders from others who are roughly at the same rank, feelings are gonna be hurt. Not every time, but it's common enough in workplaces to be mindful of. Personally, I think Herc should've gotten over it, but it's a bit on Lester to adjust his tone. Or Daniels to take Herc aside and explain that it's less about department rank and more about delegation, and that as a sergeant he can lead through serving. If he keeps it up after that, then that's where the talk of "fall in line or get out" can work.

Carv has a lesser chance of being retained, because as we see he's able to handle more and there may not have been that much higher level work to do with Lester and Kima at MCU. Daniels manages to get his old job back, right, but he pays for it at home. His heart isn't 100% in it until he makes Major - and even that promotion comes as a surprise to him.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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The practicality's part of it, but McNulty seems to be genuine when he's talking with Beadie at the end of season 4. I don't think it's all pragmatism, especially with his more casual approach to work at the time.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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It sounds too upbeat and happy to me, discordant with the other versions.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Treme's got the standard long-form prose style of David Simon. S3 is absolutely the best so far, with a finale that could easily serve as the series end. Initially I saw the series as pretty good, occasionally annoying, but it progresses a long way and looks great when viewed as a singular story.

S1 - the people return
S2 - the crime returns
S3 - the money returns

It helps if you like New Orleans, or examinations of society in general. Not quite as groundbreaking as The Wire.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Oh goddamnit. Knew it even without the Youtube clip. Well done, Dom.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Not to mention exposing McNulty's true character as a murder police. S1 has him considerably rebellious and self-destructive but still with his heart in the right place. He's sympathetic. But after the scene with Brianna, he's just another smart rear end in a top hat cop who's no less a subject of the system than anyone else. Take him out of that system, or mitigate his exposure to it, and he's a real human again.

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Oct 3, 2007

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chesh posted:

5) I guess I never realized how like Ray from Generation Kill Ziggy is. Like, I thought GK was showing him in a whole new light, but really it's the same character in two different scenarios.

That's the dream so many of us have. Ziggy gets some info on a far worse crime, turns informant and gets out on it, then gets his poo poo together and joins Force Recon - before mustering out, moving to New York, and working the line at David Chang's joint in Treme.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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chesh posted:

"THAT'S PROTESTANT WHISKEY."

This. It's become a part of my cult of personality. A bartender friend remarks that literally not once has she been asked for it, while she goes through Jameson by the case. It's another one of those little details that The Wire nails.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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Grabbing this from a bit earlier on the page -

Akileese posted:

Watching season 3 and I have to ask...What is the point of Colicchio? He's just such a stereotypical drug cop (that we already saw plenty of in Seasons 1 and 2. I almost think the character exists strictly for Carver to write him up in Season 5. Other than that he just acts like somebody poo poo in his cereal 24/7. I guess I sort of get it but eh, he just seems so useless.

I've come to see Colicchio as yet another victim of institution. Don't get me wrong - he's an animal most of the time - but he could be like Randy. Perhaps we don't see the evolution, just the result. Beyond the overall theme of institutional failure, what specifically made me think of this is that moment when Bunny catches Colicchio raging in the station, calming him down by asking for his location. Colicchio rattles it off in the most pleasant, intelligent tone he displays in the entire series.

It's possible he's always been a knucklehead who wants to thump suspects, or just that he respects authority enough to not get fired, but that scene was enough to make me question if he'd always been that way.

isk
Oct 3, 2007

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He's also in S4 and S5 of Friday Night Lights. Dude's an emotional powerhouse.

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Oct 3, 2007

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bucketybuck posted:

Random thing about the wire that has bugged me for a while!

At the end of season 2 the Greek abandons millions of dollars worth of drugs in a container on the docks. The detail have found it, but seem totally bummed that the Greek got away and Daniels says something to the effect of "Would have been a hell of a case". Then they get some police guys to sit on the can for weeks/months hoping somebody come looking for it.

But, it still is a hell of a case for them! They can still take all those drugs out of the can and put it in front of the media and look like goddamn heroes! No different to the feds earlier in the season, they have a massive drugs haul that the bosses can shout to the heavens about and making the detail look kick rear end.

Yeah, I know it would be a hollow victory without nailing the Greek, but in terms of results netting those drugs was still a victory was it not?

This is the "dope on the table" theme that comes up periodically.

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