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Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



I’m rewatching The Wire because you gotta and today is the day I give up and ask : what the gently caress is up with the weird meowing noise that Snoop makes? Is that a word or something I can’t understand? (“Get here” was something the subtitles attempted. ) Is that a thing people do? Just a really specific character choice?

I come into this certain I’m dumb so it’s a given.

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Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Shheeeeeeit.

(I can it’s me.)

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



My shameful secret is I've never actually finished season 5. I've watched the rest of the show multiple times, but never these last like ~8 episodes that I'm on right now.

Every time I've tried in the past 1) you can't just start at season 5, don't be weird. You obviously need to see it in context so you need to have the whole show fresh in your mind, and 2) McNulty loving his life over is incredibly painful to watch. I'm writhing in every scene of him drunk and womanizing.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



ShowTime posted:

Season 5 is by far the worst season. It's redeeming qualities are the fall of McNulty and the rise of Bubbles. But we also get to see corruption win out ultimately, the death of Omar and Dookie fall into a terrible life, that wasn't meant for him.

Well it’s a good thing I don’t care about spoilers.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



O so this is why you all keep using Templeton’s name like a cuss word.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Mu Zeta posted:

There's a few bad scenes in We Own This City where characters are just reading one of David Simon's essays verbatim to the audience but other than that it's a great show with amazing rear end in a top hat performances. I hate every single one of those cops.

I really appreciate that Jon Bernthal is a fractally terrible rear end in a top hat in that show. At every level of analysis, he's still a complete douche.

Corrupt cop? Yes.

Drinks while driving? Yes.

Drinks loving Twisted Tea and Mike's Hard while driving? Yes.

And he litters the can.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Jewmanji posted:

Yes? Whichever kid was always jacking cars

Donut.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



You normally don’t really “feel” the camera in this show so it’s amazing when you do.

When the FBI profiler is describing the “killer” and it just keeps zooming in on McNulty, right into his stupid smug face. Lol. Lmao.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Philthy posted:

Man, just finishing rewatch of season 2 (My favorite season) and it went by so fast compared to season 1. They just pack so. much. poo poo. into season 1 it's unreal.

I like how towards the end of season 2 there’s that one sequence that just throws out the usual way they shoot things and it starts aping Michael Mann. Just everything getting rapidly worse while schlubby dudes make very poor decisions. The volume on the soundtrack goes up and it’s all really intense Greek singing and a bazouki.

Season 2 rules.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Count Roland posted:

The scene where Nick is freaking out, with a fence and grain silos behind him? The camera does a fish-eye sort of thing to show how his world is being turned upside down.

Exactly. The Wire almost never has the camera making active choices like that.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



ShowTime posted:

Shhhiiiiiiiiiitttt

Wonder what happened. I'm guessing a heart attack or something but that man was fit as hell.

I feel better that someone else thought that too. My second reaction after the sadness was "but wait, dude was like a Greek god, what the gently caress."

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Stare-Out posted:

First Sam Neill gets cancer real bad and now this. :( Just playing through the second Horizon game too. drat.

O gently caress me. I didn’t know about Sam Neill.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



MrMojok posted:

Okay, I had never seen this before and it’s loving hilarious!

“ ‘The Hog’ is what I call my penis,” is one of those lines that you’ll remember and smile about for years.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Okay some of y’all know you’re just describing what “type-casting”, “playing against type” and “range” are right?

Like it’s a good thing that Simon plays with those tools, but these aren’t new exciting things. That’s what Thespis did when he left the Chorus.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



MrMojok posted:

Did SA ever have a Deadwood thread? I searched in TVIV but never found a dedicated thread for the show.

I figure there should be one archived somewhere. I’ve started rewatching this for the first time in maybe ten years, and I would like to read a thread with goon reactions as the show aired, if there was one.

I actually was about to start a Deadwood rewatch so…

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

This is how I feel about Patriot.

Because you are a person of taste and refinement.

Also just a heads up that Michael Dorman, who plays John Tavner, does a couple seasons of For All Mankind where he does a hell of a job too.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



He does “superficially cornfed man’s man is secretly really hosed up inside” incredibly well. Just stunning ability to switch between cocky and vulnerable at will.

Sure it’s a niche but it’s a hell of a niche and he does it well.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



A shambling corpse rises from the grave. Lurching toward you, dragging a broken thing that once was a leg. From the graveyard earth-choked maw creaks a moan,

“Cooooocksuuuckerrrrrr…”

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Justified was a show that my dad and I would save up to watch together when I’d go come up to visit. And just to be sociable we’d try to schedule our weird little binges when my mom was out of the house on like a Saturday afternoon.

It’s also a show where everyone constantly drinks really nice bourbon.

My mom has come home so many times to us and a half empty bottle of Blanton’s, day drunk, just slurring “WALDRUP GOGGLES IS A REALLY UNDER RATED ACTOR!” at each other.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



reversefungi posted:

Timthee Elephant and Waldrup Goggles had some of the greatest onscreen chemistry of all time.

It’s like you were there.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

While we're pitching shows that you might have missed, I'll bang the drum for Patriot, which is still on Prime. It's a dryly comic deconstruction of James Bond that has surprising heart and interesting characters.

And a ton of actually catchy singer-songwriter acoustic guitar folk music. That is about choking dudes or being stuck in an Iranian torture prison, yes, but still.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



MrMojok posted:

The Patriot ruled, and I think most everyone missed it.

It’s very Coen-ish style dark comedy, and would probably be right up the alley of many of the regular posters ITT.

Patriot. The definite article would mean that weird Mel Gibson movie that was somehow racist to the British.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



MrMojok posted:

Oh yes, you’re right, my bad.

Honestly that was 70-80% just because I wanted to rag on The Patriot.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



King Of Coons posted:

What other seasons?

I always thought it odd hbo only made one season of true detective and westworld. Guess they figured why risk it and ended on high notes

The first season of True Detective is a millstone around the rest of the show's neck.

Season 2 and 3 are actually really good television, they're just not the lightning in a bottle dark sorcery that was season 1 so the gulf in quality seems dire.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



zenguitarman posted:

I can't wait to go to jail.

BERNARD!

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



teen phone cutie posted:

wait all i can find on google is a guy named nathan barksdale who never appeared on screen? is there something i'm missing?

The dude who played the deacon is/was a former drug lord.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Ainsley McTree posted:

I assume the casting director decided he was just a good enough actor to be in that many scenes and no more. I appreciated his accent every time he was on screen though

I think he has some excellent delivery of dry humor. There’s a lot of it when they’re having problems in season 3.

Being a good dry humor straight man is a lot of hard work.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Kosmo Gallion posted:


A question I've always had: in the later seasons there's a big plot point made about how Carcetti can't fire Burrell because the people of Baltimore wouldn't accept a white police commissioner (Rawls or whoever), so he has to groom Daniels. But in series one the commissioner is a white dude. What changed? Was a white commissioner acceptable under a black mayor?

This comes up when Burrell and Carcetti are arguing. The answer : yes it would look pretty bad if the new white mayor fired the black police chief and put a white dude there.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



V-Men posted:

Baltimore hasn't had a Republican mayor since 1962. Baltimore's mayoral race is strictly between Democratic candidates.

Yeah. That’s why everyone started calling Carcetti “mayor” after he won the primary. He even keeps saying that he has to still win the general, which everyone laughs at, because a Republican winning Baltimore is a joke.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I watched this show basically because of this post and it was so strange. I really liked it but I can see why it only got two seasons. It was very up its own rear end in the second one especially, but drat if I'm not still thinking about it and humming the songs weeks later. A+ would watch again.

.......for seventeen minutes

I think the second season just didn’t quite cohere as a unit, so it could feel a little meander-y and tacked-on.

But the short game is so loving strong in that show, who even gives a poo poo. Kurtwood Smith absentmindedly sniffing coke off his hand in an NA meeting. Mother of god.

Spram-jointed fern mounts! Triple buttressed ampule valves!

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Of course it was in character for McNulty. Didn't y'all listen to the profiler?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Lester spent thirteen years working the pawn shop unit because he cared more about his personal sense of justice than not loving over his bosses. He loving hates the bosses, he’s just not a drunk child (McNulty) so he messes with them productively.

Don’t let the father-you-never-had demeanor fool you, he’s a cold calculating motherfucker.

Remember when he went undercover meeting Bernard? Part of that was he showed he knew how to run a no poo poo con. That’s just a thing Lester happened to know.

Lester finally was making progress on getting Marlo and was desperate for a way to fund it. He’d carry Rawls around in a little rickshaw if he got to keep that wire up, of course he’s going with the serial killer thing.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



After getting her to sleep at his place by scheming.

Lester ain’t all sweater vest.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



If you want to complain about anything in season 5, it’s how much shoe leather they spend on McNulty backsliding.

It’s exactly the bullshit he’d do, but we needed to actually watch maybe a third of what we did.

Those scenes draaaaaaaag.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Aces High posted:

Is there a write-up out there that explains what it was Lester pitched? I had always thought he was just fast-talking, and Bernard buckled from Lester's smooth moves, and the girl continuing to nag him. I didn't realise what he was pitching was actually a thing people really do

He was showing off that he can read what numbers someone dials into a phone. In the sainted days of yore this was a legit scam because of things like prepaid phone cards : you had a card and number associated with your account and you’d get a bill at the end of the month, the scammer sees you put it in, the scammer sells that info to someone who wants to make a bunch of long distance calls.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



withak posted:

There was a book a while back from one of the Freakonomics-adjacent guys who was able to collect a bunch of financial info from drug dealers and it turns out pretty much everyone except the people at the very top are barely getting by paycheck-to-paycheck.

The Freakonomics guys are one of the classic examples of shoddy pop science, so take everything with an enormous bag of salt. Their stuff generally gets laughed at by subject matter specialists for credulously repeating myths and bad methodology.

See also Malcom Gladwell.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



withak posted:

Yeah but the guy did it as part of his thesis for a sociology PhD so presumably he was would have been held to higher standards than those set by whoever published Freakonomics.

Sure, maybe.

If you actually find that cat and read his thing.

The Freakonomics crowd citing them however is like an anti-citation. Because just from my own stuff, they pretty frequently are making poo poo up or purposely going with bad research to get a spicier take. (The whole name chapter for instance turns into a cloud of racist facebook uncles if you poke it at all)

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Yeah I got into them from 5-4 which shares a host. They seem pretty good, but they haven’t touched any of areas yet so I don’t have that check.

They’re eventually gonna have to talk about Chinese though, so we’ll see if they fall into any of the usual traps.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Season 2 is the secret best season.

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Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Just imagine how much better and happier and healthier Ziggy would’ve been if he could’ve been a theater kid instead.

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