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denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
You probably know this, but heroin is actually marketed like that on the streets. I dunno about actually calling it by name, but the single servings of drugs are branded with stamps ala WMDs, Barack Obama, grim reaper, etc. Look up heroin stamp bags if you're interested. As always the hilarity of the wire is rooted in realism.

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denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
S4 and S2 are objectively the best.

I never got that into homicide. Seemed a bit slow and maybe less serialized? Does it take a while to get into it?

Any suggestions of non David Simon shows with a similar complexity? I've heard Deadwood is great and has similarly dense writing. I've also been watching The Mechanism on Netflix which is kind of like a Brazilian take on The Wire, seems pretty good so far.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Breaking Bad I watched and is definitely awesome, although a pretty different genre of show than The Wire.

The Shield I thought was pretty good but the writing got kinda unbelievable at times. It's a good show in its own right but nowhere the depth of The Wire IMO. Felt more like an action with police corruption as the focus.

Deadwood I mentioned as I hear it compared often to The Wire, but I actually wasn't a fan of the cryptic dialogue and the fact that it got cancelled definitely puts a damper on things.

For Homicide, do you need to watch them in order or can I just pick up from a certain episode?

Narcos is another similar one to The Wire in that it shows from both criminal and LE perspective, and has some emphasis on the futility of the criminal justice system/war on drugs.

I watched The Corner and it was just amazing, maybe even better than The Wire IMO.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

drjuggalo posted:

more so in that every single black character is stupid and inept, cant even shoot straight and have as much function as doorstoppers, ive never seen a piece of media that blatant with it to the point where i thought it was satire

I thought you were talking about The Wire for a second and I was really confused.

I can't remember many instances of black people even being in The Sopranos. Maybe some gang members got hired to do a botched hit in one of the early seasons? Can you remind me? A lot of the Italians are definitely depicted as inept too though, I found it added to the realism and also provide some comic relief.

I did like the running gag that whenever Tony murdered one of his own men he'd blame it on some nameless black thugs and no one ever questioned for more detail beyond that.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 23, 2018

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Some of the old school style Italian mobsters in The Sopranos are definitely racist towards black people. But IMO it's presented as a bit of characterization, not an ideology being pushed by the showrunners.

I guess we're getting pretty off topic now. My bad, I started it by asking for other show reccomendations. I'll give Homicide another shot and check out Bosch. The others reccomendations I've already seen, unfortunately.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

exmachina posted:

Also Dominic West is trolling everyone pretty effectively at the moment.

"The gently caress did I do?"

What did he do

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Dukie's ending in the finale basically made me cry. What a hard hitting montage.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
No way Bubs lives another few years. They tried to give a happy ending but a ton of junkies are given second chances and still gently caress it up. Probably relapse and die in an OD a few months after getting clean. How is this guy going to work or raise a family or do anything normal people do? He's a lost cause and honestly his ending felt kinda like fan service. They had to have at least some hope of redemption for a character, it's not wrong. But if anything his ending is just hopeful, definitely not anything approaching success. The only real success might be Namond being adopted, he was never cut out for the street life so with proper parenting he'll turn out fine.

The addict stories were my favorite from the Wire, if you felt the same The Corner is a really great show that follows from the dope fiend perspective.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Feb 20, 2019

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
The Corner by David Simon is the best show ever made check it out on YouTube if you like the Wire

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

Escobarbarian posted:

Just because someone called you a racist in the rap thread doesnít mean you have to go trying to prove your cred now

lmao Iím so sorry it was just right there

I've always posted in The Wire thread and recommended the Corner in the past. I already said I'm done arguing in the rap thread since we clearly cannot agree. Not sure why you're following my posting history and continuing to harass me for an opinion I made in an entirely different subforum, it's pretty weird.

Here's an idea, let's try talking about the Wire and similar David Simon shows in The Wire thread, instead of calling me a racist for my opinions about music. I think that's why we organize the forum into groupings like this.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Mar 7, 2019

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

Nail Rat posted:

edit: the more I think about it, it's almost like he didn't watch the show at all. The Wire is ultimately making the exact point that he is, along with similarly bleak messages about police work, reporting, politics, etc.

Agree with this. After all, Stringer Bell did end up a failed businessman and murdered by his allies, so I'm not sure why Idris is upset with his depiction in the show. It's not like he was a success story in any way.

If fans choose to view him as a hero or role model, that is a misinterpretation on their part, not an issue in the work.

I guess if you only watch Season 1 and 2 he seems like a role model character in a way? At least more admirable than the street level gangsters. But in the end, the point is he is a gangster none the less, and will face the same consequences that the system ultimately imposes on everyone else in the game. If I remember right, he also steals the girlfriend of one of the guys in the pen which is pretty lame.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 7, 2019

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Anyone who could blame DeAndre for his downfall clearly didn't understand the message of The Corner or The Wire. Typical drug war conservatives that think "oh another drug dealer died he deserved it for his lifestyle". As if he had much of a choice. It is sad that he seemingly came close to getting out of the game, but addiction can always pull one back in. A couple legit acting gigs doesn't necessarily repair a lifetime of living on the corner. I worry about Fran's recovery. I can't say I feel any surprise at all at DeAndre's death although it is incredibly sad.

Strange that this cop pick on a dead man who apparently wasn't all that violent even in his robberies. This BPD poster is clearly an entitled individual who doesn't understand the systemic disarray that creates situations like DeAndre's on corners across the country. "To make him out as something special is incredibly short sighted." He even admits that the corner hasn't changed in 25 years, yet he's blaming one individual for being a drug dealer and addict, to the point of removing his humanity. The fact that police still think like this is so depressing. He even admits to being a street cop on those corners 25 years ago "doing good work" despite the fact that it remains in the same lovely state it was nearly 30 years ago. The hypocrisy is incredible. I'm actually visibly angry after reading these comments, on an obituary no less.

These posts alone actually make the message of The Corner much stronger, it just shows the police have such a disconnect in repairing the community, they don't seem to understand that the issues on the Corner go beyond individual choices. DeAndre and others like him didn't have much, if any, of a choice in changing their lifestyle. If anything I felt his parents Gary and Fran had more culpability for introducing him to this lifestyle despite being middle-class before hand. But that's what hard drugs tend to do, they bring us down to the bottoms of society. Again a systemic drug war issue, not an issue with individual morality. How one could blame DeAndre for his circumstance and ignore the overall context of the corners of America is just plain angering, the fact that it's LE makes it even more of a piss off.

To me, the Corner/The Wire showed that the corners need more positive role models like Cuddy's boxing club or the school teacher's after school program. As well as drug rehab programs where you don't have to wait weeks to enrol. If the city were willing to invest in this kind of thing it might help the issue. Increasing police presence on buy-busts on loving bottom of the barrel junkies and poor drug dealers selling simply to survive - what's the purpose? How does this sort of thing help? LE even admitted it didn't change a thing after 25 years.

Anyone know if the open air markets still exist there in Baltimore/New York/Chicago? It's something I haven't experienced in Canada, here the drug problem is obviously prevalent but it's not quite as open and obvious with gangs shouting out brand names for their drugs, etc. You tend to need a connection before hand. I've definitely seen some gang members hanging out in certain areas but it doesn't seem quite as obvious or easy where to pick up and maybe that helps a bit. However, people are still dying in huge numbers from suburban kids buying fent analogues and selling them as H to various junkies across the city. But it tends to be on a who you know basis, not shouting in the street announcing product availability. Even the Corner touched on this a few years ahead of its time with Fat Kurt saying 'dope ain't dope anymore'.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Mar 25, 2019

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

Jerusalem posted:

I think it's Colvin in season 3 who basically straight up tells Carver he's not good police, but admits it isn't Carver's fault because how the gently caress else is he gonna be considering the entire system he's coming up in having completely the wrong focus for decades (if not generations).

I guess it's true, this one BPD officer isn't entirely in the blame for his misguided views. But I'm glad David Simon put him in his place for making disrespectful and idiotic comments on a man's obituary. Maybe the Wire/The Corner should be required training for police? They can't all be like this...

The hypocrisy is just incredible in how he says he hit the corners for 25 years and nothing improved, and then blames DeAngelo for his death. Try something different for fucks sake.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
I haven't re-watched in a while, can't remember something from the show. Why does Prop Joe give so much info to Marlo about his connect and how to launder money? Joe seems like the most level headed gangster in the show but not giving up your connect is like drug dealer 101. Is it just to avoid violence?

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Thanks guys, I forgot a few things - the robbery, Marlo having Joe killed to get the connect, and Cheese's betrayal. Makes more sense with that info.

The Greek and Spiros are my favourite, the true guys pulling the strings and likely making the most profit and no one in Baltimore PD has a clue who or where they are. S2 was cool for showing the more broad-reaching supply chain of drugs and prostitution.

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011
Haha that's a funny quote. Why would anyone like Snoop or be upset at her death? At least we got some back story as to why Chris Partlow was so hosed up.

If you didn't know, Cheese is played by Method Man from Wu Tang Clan.

The casting in this show was really excellent. In particular the child actors were amazing.

The only main performance I was a bit dissapointed by was Marlo. He wasn't very expressive. Perhaps a purposeful choice to show his lack of empathy or emotion but it made for less interesting TV than Avon, Stringer, and Prop Joe.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Jul 4, 2019

denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

zenguitarman posted:

He was my dog *sobs*

One of the funniest scenes in the series for sure.

Method Man owns and in general the casting for this show was great.

I also loved the bit where the cops convince a suspect that a photocopier is a polygraph to make him confess. Pure gold.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 6, 2019

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denzelcurrypower
Jan 28, 2011

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

That's a true story. Cops in Detroit got into trouble for doing it in the 80s.

Hahaha, that makes it even better. I thought I remembered reading it was based on reality but wasn't sure the context.

Seems a bit strange that they got in trouble considering cops lying during interrogations is allowed, as far as I know. I guess it could easily lead to false confessions though (which are a problem anyway without using a photocopier trick). I'm not informed enough on that to make a call so please no backlash on this post! I'll read up on it.

Edit:

Something I didn't fully process was if there was an overall theme or purpose to Bunk's character? I haven't re-watched in a while but he didn't seem to have much of a character arc if I recall correctly. I am not going to lie, I missed a bunch of his lines as I found his accent difficult to understand compared to any other character (I'm from Canada if that is any consolation). Just seemed like so many scenes of him and McNulty drinking their sorrows away, does he exist mainly just to show how hosed up the cop's lives are and what an actually competent detective looks like? He seemed pretty similar to McNulty in that respect though.

denzelcurrypower fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jul 6, 2019

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