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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


freebooter posted:

Wait when are there trains in the Wire? All I remember is Bunk and Jimmy pissing on the train tracks while they're drinking. And maybe a math question about a train in Prez's class?

The piss tracks is what they're talking about.

Has Simon said it's not a metaphor for institutions? Because that's an interpretation that works really well, as far as I can tell. In season 1 Jimmy fights the institution, but it's a hopeless fight, like pissing on train tracks to stop a train, and if you keep on that fight the institution will come crashing on you.

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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


It's not like they would have ended the case there anyway. Remember that after Stringer's dead and McNulty checks out his apartment and is surprised that it's all clean - "who the gently caress was I chasing" - the expectation was that they would be able to move against Stringer, then build up a stronger case against him by court date.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


It's very likely that he doesn't visit Randy not because he's forgotten about him, but because he's too ashamed, too afraid of what the whole deal says about him - like buckety said, of what his failure symbolises, and that's something he has understandable trouble looking at head on. I would say that given his behaviour in the final season, going as far as to actually move the disciplinary process against Collichio, that he has not forgotten about Randy (or at least what he learned at the end) but Randy himself is a burden too heavy for him to carry even past his catharsis.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


To be entirely fair Simon isn't saying people shouldn't protest, he's saying they should protest non-violently. I personally disagree because civil disobedience without the threat of violence doesn't carry as much weight, but he's not saying that people should just stay home until things get better.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Basebf555 posted:

Its a difference of philosophy. As a pacifist I support any form of protest that is peaceful, beyond that I don't believe that the ends ever justify the means.

Even peaceful protest, ultimately, depends on violence. You certainly cannot base your protest on the expectation that those with power will suddenly have a change of heart or a revelation as to why whatever is being protested is bad and become better people that will try to fix things. A protest, especially a mass protest, is meant to be a show of force, it is meant to show to those with power that they have something to be afraid of. And for that fear to exist you need violence, either actual violence of the threat of violence. And if every protest ends up being just a thing that the protesters ultimately walk away from then why should those with power care? A peaceful protest is much more likely to be successful if there's the fear that if no concessions are made it will turn violent.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I think it turns out it was Michael anyway. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure you see the shooter afterwards and it's Michael.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


If there's smuggling going on at the docks it's probably fair to assume at least part of it's related to the drug trade.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Like Jerusalem said, it's a bullshit detail; all they know is a. Sobotka, b. lots of cash. You can't really focus that too much anywhere, you've go to spread out and try to find a lead to pick up on. That's why they work both on figuring out the regional drug trade hierarchy and also looking into stuff like missing cans and so on. For all Daniels cares (or any of the involved officers for that matter) the bullshit detail might not actually lead to anything; Sobotka's a nobody that's getting picked on because Valchek is Valchek, and even when he is involved in something shady, he is not the target that actually matters. Getting him locked up for the smuggling means nothing, much like locking up a bunch of dealers means nothing. The Greeks certainly seem to do fine in the Baltimore drug trade only a few years after the detail almost catches them and with having lost their port connection.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


It was for Clay Davis.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I would say stringer is pretty smart, in the sense that he is perceptive at least. He knows he's got to pacify the game and turn it into business because it's the bodies that makes the police notice enough to go into full alert like they did with Avon. He knows that because it is ultimately about selling poo poo that knowing how to run it as a business is a benefit. He knows that dirty money is bad for you and can get you in trouble so he tries to use his means to shift to legitimate income sources. He is bad at the actual business part, but that doesn't mean he's dumb, or "ultimately just some ghetto guy". Unlike pretty much every other drug dealer, excepting prop joe, he has a vision, one which breaks from the confines of the ghetto. That's big, even if his other flaws mean that his attempts ultimately end in failure. And I would argue that even Prop Joe never thought bigger than just his slice of the Baltimore drug trade as the leader of the co-op.

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


brylcreem posted:

With all those disclaimers at the bottom, it's almost like companies think Americans are stupid as gently caress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ5aIvjNgao&t=109s

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


I vaguely remember Simon mentioning this sort of thing in Homicide, so for how silly it is it's a real thing that was actually done.

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YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


The entire economy that enables Marlo to be Marlo is based off people like The Greek.

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