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The shield is decent and while it does get very actiony I don’t think it’s any more unrealistic than wire season 5 got. Though it’s weird as the show can’t decide whether the protagonist’s brutality is good or not. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Dec 23, 2018 |
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deoju posted:I'd vote for Carcetti over Trump so loving hard. I mean Carcettis whole character is he would adapt to the situation if it fit his ambition so he would go fash incredibly quickly if need be.
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Dec 30, 2018 20:51
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I mean the Democrats could have not run a very lovely candidate probably would have done more
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Dec 30, 2018 23:22
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Yes? Do you think black cops don’t internalize? A cop is a cop.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:03
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Yes we should put all the police in jail. Defending them seems counterproductive to that though
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Oct 25, 2019 21:07
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I mean everyone knows David Simon is kind of a prick. It doesn’t effect my enjoyment of the show but he has always been a thin skinned rear end in a top hat
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Feb 20, 2020 16:57
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Ginette Reno posted:Avon also murdered his girlfriends, murdered kids, tortured and murdered people who stole from him. Murdered the working man for being an honest witness. I mean so did the cops and they were the heroes. Only held down by the evil management that didn’t allow them to do good police work awesmoe posted:like the OP said, socialist trappings That was more Bells Captailistic influence corrupting them
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Someone said the wire is just chronicling the issues and isn’t attempting to be a visionary it that’s not really true. The wire does present solutions. The fact the solutions are insanely limited in scope and ultimately ineffective is a different matter. Though just chronicling something is fundamentally impossible. Everything is effected by your personal politics. Subconsciously or not
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May 18, 2020 19:09
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Lester is also hitting on her heavily while still active which I thought was going somewhere but nope it’s just a happy ending for them
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May 23, 2020 22:48
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I mean Simon was championing police reform on twitter so whatever he may have put on the show when push comes to shove he ultimately went to the centralist position
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Jul 4, 2020 11:53
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Reforming by definition is centralist as reform is compromise as it goes by the theory that the system in itself just needs some tweaking. Also what your describing is centralism.txt. Mainly focusing on stuff that doesn’t really matter and ignoring the real problems. Like juking stats is dumb but not really that important a issue CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jul 4, 2020 |
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Jul 4, 2020 13:03
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Though I should say that the wire recognizes some problems exists the ones it focuses on heavily favors the wants and fears of the suburbs and/or middle class types who favor LAW AND ORDER so I guess his views online match the show
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Jul 4, 2020 13:19
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I mean I think it’s more the Greeks are kind of boring. They are meant to be in the shadows and mysterious but that means you can’t connect with them. Especially with the contrast with the lively corner boys
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Sep 1, 2020 20:22
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Ehhh Brother has no real power, other than being kind of a superhero. He was good but ultimately he was just a solider
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Sep 3, 2020 19:34
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General Battuta posted:Yes, but he’s powerful as a soldier, and able to pursue his own objectives, because the people who give him authority and money and so forth are out of reach. If he worked directly for the Barksdales he’d be dead meat the moment Stringer wanted him gone. I mean if BM was in the series more he would have bit it quickly. He’s lucky he’s in and out
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Sep 3, 2020 20:16
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I mean Brother nearly dies from a gunshot. Had Omar not believed him he would be in the ground. Which I guess shows how little power he had as the only protection he had was the New York connection and not everyone cared about that
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Sep 4, 2020 18:57
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General Battuta posted:We see in the show that killing Davis is considered out of bounds for the dealers, so he has some kind of institutional protection. He does but that’s because they need him for business, even Omar at times was let go when he had protection. Only when Marlo didn’t give a gently caress was Omar hosed. If you think Marlo wouldn’t go at Clay Davis you miss the point of his character
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Sep 10, 2020 19:53
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General Battuta posted:I’m pretty sure Stringer wants to kill Davis but he’s told it would be absolutely insane to draw the kind of heat that comes with murdering a state senator. Marlo might do it but he’d still face institutional retaliation. Stringer didn’t do it because it would be bad for business which is exactly what Marlo is suppose to be a contrast to. Also Kim’s or whatever got retribution but no one thinks she has any real power
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Sep 10, 2020 21:18
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The problem is it only really happens in season 1. Maybe I’m forgetting something but it doesn’t come up as often as it should. Hell season 1 shows a reformer Herc, though that just kind of gets forgotten later
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Sep 27, 2020 23:50
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General Battuta posted:What is ‘it,’ beating up black kids? Or Kima being less than morally spotless? She cheats on her girlfriend, she’s not as much of a mess as McNulty but she’s hardly a textbook Good Person. Police brutality yeah, the point was good cop. I don’t care all that much about what she does in her personal life. Nothing will overshadow McNulty
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Sep 28, 2020 02:26
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That’s romanticizing yeah. The first season has most of the police being racist but it honestly doesn’t come up very often. Honestly the Wire isn’t terribly interested in beat cops and mostly focuses on higher ups with the street cops more or less doing what they can in a bad situation with like a token rear end in a top hat cop who usually isn’t terribly important
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Dec 19, 2020 01:09
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How the wire treats the drug stuff is weird. You got the famous wars end line, but going after the drug kingpins is always presented as a good thing like your supposed to empathize with McNulties frustration at founding going towards terrorism. But then seasons end with the cycle of drug dealers and someone new replacing them. So on some level it gets the pointlessness of the busts but it just can’t go all the way
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Dec 19, 2020 02:09
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Orange Devil posted:The drugs are a symptom. What is bad is the economic and political system which has utterly discarded these people and would prefer them to die than treat them like human beings. Drugs, like so many other addictions, are a coping mechanism of last resort. Which is my problem, this doesn’t come from up a lot. It kind of comes up with season four but it’s undercut a bit by the boys being given outs but not taking them. Which kind of makes it a personal failing rather than systematic
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Dec 19, 2020 10:55
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Darko posted:They don't really get outs that they can recognize with the big picture. They are a victim of wrong place, wrong time. I mean yeah like I said a personal failing. I get it wouldn’t make for good TV if it was just soul crushing despair but that’s kind something Wire fans like to present the show as. A show that tells it like it is. Which I don’t really think is true, it deals with the issues in a very surface level way. Which I don’t actually have a problem with, as no TV show really did that at the time. So while it defintely is pretty pro cop it is still a significant departure from its contemporaries. I guess it’s more a thing of fans overhyping a show they love
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Dec 19, 2020 18:53
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Human Tornada posted:The show doesn't portray the kids not getting out as a "personal failing", that is a truly bizarre reading. If anything the entire point of the kid's season was to show how these kids are sent on a path to destruction basically from birth. The Wee-Beys of the world are a product of their environment. Randy gets beaten up, given up by his foster mom because they firebombed his house, and is thrown into the system and forever labeled a snitch, all because an adult authority figure intimidated him (a child!) into telling on someone else. It’s not a bizarre reading, it’s what happened. Duckies was given an out he rejected. So did Michael. This isn’t open to interpretation it’s what happened. Those two have the strongest arcs and are the main focus of the boys
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Dec 19, 2020 20:12
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Also Presbos redemption arc kind of sucks I’m not going to lie. He never really comes to terms with what he did or even really acknowledge why what he did was hosed up. He quits because he sucks.
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Dec 19, 2020 20:16
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Yea but they have a choice, which is the point. Realistically people do not have that choice. I get why it’s there for narrative reasons, but it’s not terribly realistic. Which fundamentally changes things. Instead of a system that offers then no hope, it’s their personal failings that do them in. You can rationalize it how you want
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Dec 19, 2020 20:39
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I mean the problem is the show has been hammering broken policing for so long and I feel like that went on a silly direction for a pretty mediocre payoff. But that’s season 5 for ya
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They also didn’t really intertwine. There was crossover sure but the point of neither arc really mattered to the other
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Aug 6, 2021 13:53
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I thought the point of the serial killers thing is people only care about flashy poo poo nutty has been taking short cuts for his whole career. Like I think his introduction with the judge is him taking a shortcut
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Aug 6, 2021 15:29
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I mean fundamentally Gus is the same character as McNulty but without his flaws so it’s not hard to see why he’s annoying. Like imagine if he was just hero cop protecting the streets for the children
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Aug 6, 2021 18:51
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Randallteal posted:I don't think Gus and Mcnulty and that similar. Gus is willing to play management's game to a point, is in a leadership / mentor role, and generally doesn't seem to be a workaholic. If anything he's more like Daniels season 1 and Alma is playing Mcnulty. Yes that’s the flaws I was speaking if. Those things gently caress McNulty over more than helping his cause
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I mean the wire is weird in that the rank and file while not shown as angels, were presented as weirdly earnest
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Aug 11, 2021 22:47
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I mean by the end Lester was the only character I actually cared enough about to see his stuff resolved so splitting it wouldn’t have been ideal for me
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Aug 12, 2021 23:42
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Orange Devil posted:Bubbles? I forgot about Bubbles so two
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Aug 13, 2021 00:18
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To be fair I don’t think Herc at his worst would molest teenage girls apart of the ride along program so I think that is a bit unfair to Herc
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Aug 13, 2021 21:10
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It’s actually funny that both the Shield and the Wire use the Nation of Islam and the Shield take is actually a bit more grounded
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May 16, 2023 00:02
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I mean the wire has always done silly things for tv reasons (like Omar and 90% of what he does) but at least they were silly and fun to watch. The serial killer stuff is silly and also kind of boring?
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BiggerBoat posted:I've read here and there that the writers actually toned him down from the guy who was the real life inspiration for the character. I remember the guy it was based on saying yeah non off that poo poo happened or could have happened but it’s fine
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