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RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013
Jerusalem dude, I'd like to give you a shout out, your lil' summaries are pretty much giving my fix of The Wire when I don't have the time to re-watch all 60 hours + bonus features and such, please keep up the good work!

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RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Lugaloco posted:

I dunno man, have you seen him in Boardwalk Empire? He's god drat amazing in that, made me forget he was ever Omar while watching. He plays being utterly terrifying really well which shows good range from the wildcard, honor-bound rogue of Omar.

I would like to contend this point good sir, I found myself constantly thinking "Ohmagerd, he's as good in this as he was as Omar"

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Muck and Mire posted:

His character in Boardwalk Empire is actually Omar's great grandfather


If you can prove that, please do so, so that I can add it to my "told you so" list that i'm giving to my friend (that I got into The Wire) of show's that actually exist in the head of the kid at the end of St.Elsewhere ... (if this needs explaining, please ask, it's vaguely hilarious)

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

SpookyLizard posted:

I don't want to derail but this is the dumbest thing. The Dumbest Thing.

Are you kidding? there was a section in a cracked.com article about it and everything, go check man, it may not actually be true, but enough of the right actors turn up in the right shows to make it true-looking enough for me


edit:

To reply to a couple of other posts, I see hamsterdam as less of a thing saying "look, legalisation is bad aswell!" I think it's more a case of "Look what happens if you just open the doors and let everything go at once...." - I think it's preaching moderation, or regulation at the least, saying "This is what happens if you dont at least try to control what you're unleashing on the world..."

RYYSZLA fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 1, 2013

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Jerusalem posted:

NYPD Blue and Law & Order used to be some of my favorite programs too :smith:

Elements of them are still enjoyable to watch, but compared to the Wire they actually seem so... I don't know.... lacking?



To be fair I find that pretty much all TV that isnt also made by HBO or the guys behind Breaking Bad is also pretty goddamn shockingly lowest-common-denominator about all things - even hannibal which is better than 2 out of 5 of the films, pales in comparison to the storytelling of the wire or the sopranos or something like that. I wish all tv was made to be one long awesome story like that :(

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Protocol 5 posted:

One thing I really like about the relationship between Daniels and Pearlman is that they clearly establish the chemistry and mutual respect between them over the first two seasons, so when they finally do end up together, it feels totally natural. You kind of get the sense that McNulty was the second choice, and Daniels had too much integrity to cheat on his wife (before they separated, obviously).

I dunno man, I reckon he's not even her second choice, for her mcnulty represented her dark side, her carefree / careless side that she didnt get to show as Mrs. Tough As Steel prosecutor

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013
Andy Cancer hit the nail right on the head there Jerusalem, reading these posts is literally a completely acceptable alternative to actually watching the episodes when I don't have the time! Keep up the good work mate.

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013
If they had included Omar pissing on his corpse, that would have just been wrong. It would have ruined the scene - not only is it totally out of character for Omar (is his code not entirely built out of some kind of misguided "respect" for the game, which he would be metaphorically (as well as physically) pissing away by disrespecting stringer's corpse like that) - but I dont think the character of Mouzone would have put up with that either, it's a little... barbaric for him, and it wouldn't have fit with the narrative/metaphor of the upper echelons and lower echelons coming together to crush stringer between them.

Course, just an impression, I may not even slightly be right

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Ainsley McTree posted:

I think my reaction to season 2 was the typical one; I didn't like it at first because after S1 I finally thought I got a sense of what this show was all about and then they go and change it up on me. But then once you finish the series and really understand what the show was about, you realize that actually season 2 is quite excellent, it's just that initial "wait who are these people" shock that kind of drags it down a little.

I will say that even on the first watch, by the end of season 2 I was fully on board with it (frank's arc is so well done that you can't help but fall in love with it), it just took some time to get into the swing. I didn't like ziggy at all until my rewatch though; and even then I can't say I "like" him, I just understand it better. He's like if Namond didn't get a break.

Ziggy is Namond + a few turns around the cycles of systemic oppression that the show serves to highlight, imo. Not to detract from what you said, He's a product of his environment but also his own machinations within it, which as per the key themes of the show is more or less dictated to him by the systems & institutions and rampant inequality in his environment. I think Season 2 is almost a textbook example of how to set up a TV show so that Season 1 introduces the world and themes, S2 codifies them into something you can branch into multiple directions from. To quote I think a variety fair interview, and also to really butcher a clay davis quote, "The first season crawls, the second season walks, so the latter seasons can run".

A lot of the blowback on S2 at the time was due to the perceived "whitewashing" of the show. Without commenting on the racial dynamics of HBO Programming too much, there's some validity to it, but it wasn't done for ratings purposes, it was what the story needed (in hindsight) to really fly.

You should watch Bosch, it's not very good but it does prove that Jamie Hector can show a lil' somethin somethin when he wants to

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Ginette Reno posted:

I don't think centrists are incapable of understanding that capitalism causes a lot of suffering. The problem is they think it can be reformed.

Well actually David Simon doesn't even necessarily think capitalism can be reformed. He of all people knows how hard that would be. But he has this idealized vision of a society where capitalism and socialism coexist and create a sort of free thinking, free enterprise society where anyone succeed. Thing is, I'm not sure any society that utilizes capitalism to any degree could ever exist like that.

Which leads to the question of "How can it be reformed" and "why should it be?", and if the answer to the latter isn't "because this system promotes wealth inequality and suffering" then perhaps the centrists aren't incapable of understanding that but choose not to.

Anyway, that's just me being a pedantic clown, you're pretty accurate to say all that.

Currently up to Season 4 Episode 5 on my rewatch, I forgot just how goddamn good S3&4 are..... S4 having the best rendition of the theme tune (DoMaJe's version)

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean Simon was championing police reform on twitter so whatever he may have put on the show when push comes to shove he ultimately went to the centralist position

Without knowing what his proposed reforms were I can tell you that from where I & any reasonable person sits, "police reform" =/= centrism

Centrism, especially in america these days, is just glorified knee-bending to the right. "Centrists" don't want to reform the police, Centrists say "blue lives matter" and "all lives matter", same as the Klan do. I don't see someone who actually wants to reform the police - clearly do away with the systemic culture of "juking the stats" and low-quality no-money-chasing police work - as being a centrist unless we're using words like centrist to play semantic tricks to get people to dismiss other people by putting them in a preconceived box they don't actually fit into in reality. I don't see how attempting to fix the root causes of systemic inequality are centrist, seems like ignoring them to keep the status quo going actually fits the real definition of centrism though, and that's the opposite of what Simon advocates sooooo?

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RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

CharlestheHammer posted:

Reforming by definition is centralist as reform is compromise as it goes by the theory that the system in itself just needs some tweaking.

Also what your describing is centralism.txt. Mainly focusing on stuff that doesn’t really matter and ignoring the real problems. Like juking stats is dumb but not really that important a issue

Are you kidding?

That's the opposite of centrism. The real problem with "juking the stats" is the culture of pass the buck responsibility, "us v them" policing and systems and institutions inforcing the institutional inequality that got those in power to their positions. Dealing with that is the specific opposite of focusing on "stuff that doesn't really matter and ignoring the real problems". PS: it's not dumb it's the card that the rest of the house of cards the, in this example, baltimore police system - representing all similar-level policing in america - is built on. To quote rawls, they live or die by the stats. The numbers get juked, majors become colonels, and mayors become governors. I fail to see how any description of this could possibly be "ignoring the real problems", it's directly highlighting and calling them out.

Not to be rude right, but you've got ben shapiro as a profile pic, and are peddling some shapiro-esque hot takes so outta left field that i'm actually a little stunned you typed them out, I'm starting to think im being trolled.

Ninja edit that by the time i'm done typing will probably be a regular one: The Wire also goes to painstaking lengths to show that the *actual* centrist answer to these problems is ineffective, which is usually "if a system or institution is broken or corrupt the best way to fix it would be to rise up from the inside, playing their game til you have the power to fix it" which as reality shows, and The Wire demonstrates, results in shades of gray morality where the person with good intentions often ends up perpetuating the exact systematic injustice, neglicence or corruption that motivated them to action in the first place

RYYSZLA fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 4, 2020

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