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Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I think Omar's arc was perfect. He started out as a badass, became this larger than life living breathing myth, gets gunned down when he lets his guard down and then gets confused with a white guy when he's in the morgue. Just goes to show that what happens on the street means less than poo poo to the big wide world

See, back in middle school and all, I used to love the myths.

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Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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MrBling posted:

To me it seemed very much like Valchek and Frank grew up in the same neighbourhood. Frank even refers to him as "Charlie Valchek's little pissant brother" so he obviously knows him as more than just a police officer.

And he says that no girls would dance with him at CYO dances. The basic implication is, Frank was a cool kid growing up and Valchek was a little virginal dweeb. The problem started with the stained glass window, and then Frank's reaction -- to basically yank the now-successful, now-respected police Major out of his adulthood right back to his geeky adolescence -- was what put Frank over the edge and got him to demand a detail.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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How my hair look?

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Call me shallow but I hate Snoop because of the way she talks and to a lesser extent that smug frog expression on her face.

Edit: Also I think she is an awful actress. She is just a bizarre human sort of woodenly playing herself.

Finndo fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Aug 8, 2014

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Yeah, her RL persona is something else I don't like about her. She definitely dominated her scenes but on rewatching I just so much more appreciate watching Marlo as a perfectly executed villain, compared to her freak show.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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You are underestimating Donnette's special Complaining Powers.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Hamsterdam was a form of surrender, too. It was not just recognition that the current system wasn't working, but also based on a sense that it was the only viable alternative to street rips. From the standpoint of what Colvin had control over, this is probably true, but from a larger standpoint, my own view is that it is completely false.

In the early 1980s, walking around most parts of Baltimore and New York were equally scary. By the early 2000's, most of Manhattan had become almost like Disneyland, while much of Baltimore is still pretty dangerous. People may debate why, but I personally think the predominant reason is the "no broken windows" approach taken by Giuliani, which is pretty much the polar opposite of the approach taken by Colvin.

By the way, one has to wonder: if the police could bring enough heat on the corners to force the trafficking to Hamsterdam, why couldn't they do the same thing to simply force it off the streets? There may be a reason, but it wasn't really adequately explained in the show, I don't think.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Thaddius the Large posted:

I'm wholly ignorant, but I think I remember hearing sociologists are pretty down on Broken Windows as being ineffective, and that NYC's recovery was due to a multitude of other factors. I could be getting that backwards, though

That was what I was alluding to by referring to debate... Again, my opinion, sociology is one of those fields (like interest-group studies, soldiering, climatology, investment banking, etc.) that tends to attract a certain type of person, and so I think there's a significant amount of confirmation bias that comes out in the work product. Regardless, though, even if you discard my opinion of cause and argue that other factors worked in New York, we know those other factors weren't Hamsterdam.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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joepinetree posted:

I don't know what the bolded is supposed to mean, but broken windows came from sociologists as well.

Sorry, I meant sociologists that disagree with me.

Anyway... didn't mean to hijack the thread with a debate over academic disciplines. Really just trying to make the point that Hamsterdam is not the only solution to street crime, just the only one that Colvin felt he could execute.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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bucketybuck posted:

I got the impression that bringing that heat meant a lot of extra work and so a lot of extra overtime, which I doubt they could afford. They could "bring the heat" for a short time to make a point, but I doubt they could have maintained the expenditure indefinitely.

Yeah, I think that was basically the gist, but what the means really is they couldn't have enforced Hamsterdam, either, if challenged.

Or, put another way, if they had the muscle to force everyone off the corners to Hamsterdam, they had the muscle to keep them off the corners, period. And if they didn't have the muscle for anything more than a burst of "heat," well it was really just a bluff.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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There should be a sixth season that looks at the issues surrounding militarized police.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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drunken officeparty posted:

What the hell is Marlos ending supposed to mean?

From:

"My name is my name!"

To:

"Do you know who I am?"

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Was just discussing this with someone else. BE is uneven and, god bless him, Steve Buscemi is too much of a quirky character actor to pull off being the center of a show like this. They would have had a better chance at greatness if the show were about Michael Pitt replacing Buscemi as boss. They also, in my view, didn't properly/fully utilize Chalky or Richard Harrow. There are some great characters (Harrow, Agent Van Alden, the FBI guy who is now in Ray Donovan, Gyp, etc.) and some great scenes, but overall the show is just good, not great.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Gotta give some respect here to X Files, it was one of the first post-internet cult shows and while it had a lot of one-off episodes it also had running "mythology" plotlines continuing through the series run.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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3Romeo posted:

The writing in The Wire is often fantastic, but sometimes it's too clever for its own good, and when that happens those scenes tend to come off as atonal, no matter what point they're making or how well they stand alone, eg the chess scene with Bodie and D'Angelo and Wallace or the "gently caress" scene with McNulty and Bunk back in season one. They're great, don't get me wrong, but they're a little too on-the-nose.

Excellent point. To riff off it, I'd call them forced. They are lines the writer would say in a spirited dinner conversation, maybe, or the product of a writer's workshop ("This week I want everyone to write a scene that only uses one word...."), but in the midst of this amazing epic they are jarring. The political jabs, the gimmicks... they are beneath the overall quality of the work.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Marlo makes an appearance in episode 4 of The Strain. With a grill. Vague hint that it might be the start of something more than a one-off... we can hope anyway.

Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Make sure you also watch the new Rust Cohle Lincoln commercials... so hypnotic and soothing, just like driving the Dreamland Highway to R'lyeh.

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Finndo
Dec 27, 2005

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Geekslinger posted:

I even remember seeing it and wondering what he was doing there.

I'm willing to bet it's pretty much the same reason straight people go to bars!

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