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I have to admit, I kind of like how Hanamura sort of defied expectations with his introduction. He's kind of a prick, but I'm pretty sure it's more of a dumb teenage boy thing. They ARE high school students, so the behavior might be bad but kind of expected. Sonia more or less turned out exactly as I thought she would, but I'm glad she's more of a "sheltered naive" type than the "snooty rich girl" type of princess. The latter I think is seen a lot more than the former in media and we already have one rich bastard in Togami (and Kuzuryuu sort of) so having an heiress who isn't laughing about how poor everyone is compared to her is nice. Actually on the topic of Sonia, it kind of makes me wonder. In DR1 we sort of had a very defined love interest from the get go. Granted it turned out to be a red herring, but Maizono was still sort of pegged for what could have been a blooming love interest had things not gone to hell. In DR2 I don't think any character has given off that same "obvious love interest" vibe. I thought it would be Sonia, who reminded of Maizono earlier on with her refined pretty girl design and even has a couple poses that are reminiscent of the SHSL Idol, but I don't get that vibe here anymore with her introduction. Same with all the other introduced girls (I think there are like two more not yet seen) She has some weird interests for a SHSL Princess too. I can understand an interest in Japan from a foreign perspective of a girl who may have never left her native country, but the occult? Huh. Was not expecting that at all. I'm looking forward to seeing if that interest makes an appearance, if she isn't horribly killed off. Maybe she'll suddenly become a SHSL Occultist and sacrifice someone to the devil  As for her language (which oren mentioned above) I think it's just a sort of speaking style for a foreign noble. She's likely the only student who isn't Japanese, so I like how the dialogue reflects that in the way she talks. lotus circle fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 26, 2012 |
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Devil Ed posted:I think he's more likely to get framed for killing someone then to do it himself. Maybe Sonia's trying to pull something on him like Maizono did to Naegi. Possible, but doubtful. I'm pretty sure that is what the game creators are trying to do. Create and fuel expectations based on what happened in the first game, then turn around and do something completely different. If Sonia dies first or we find out she tried to frame someone like Hanamura or Hajime, it'll just be a sort of "oh so she's just like Maizono!" sort of deal. That's what we're expecting, but it's more likely we're going to see a lot of the parallels to DR1 subverted. I think it would be pretty boring to rehash the first game and make the obvious suspects the culprits. If Sonia turns out to be a murderer I think it would be a disappointing and boring twist, because we've already seen it with Maizono before.
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Anatharon posted:Maizono never killed anyone. She plotted to and would have succeeded if Leon wasn't faster and it was pretty clear she wanted to frame Naegi for it Heck the game even tried to paint Leon as a victim of the situation, until Celes pointed out that he could have just left Maizono in the bathroom alive. I'm hoping this time the first murder won't be "oh someone had to kill due to a situation" and we actually get someone who would be ok with getting rid of everyone else just to escape.
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Making some characters look like other characters is very deliberate on the part of the creator, is what I think should be the final word on this. It makes us generate expectations for the character immediately, even before they are introduced. In some cases it is subtle (Nagito's name partly being an anagram of Naegi's name, Sonia's poses being similar to some of Maizono's) to very blatant (Akane looking like Asahina). They also give characters personality traits that remind us of previous characters (Peko being similar to Sakura) and titles as well (Kuzuryuu being a Gangster, while Mondo was the leader of a Biker Gang). These similiarities might lead to something, but it's more likely that the creator wanted previous players to create wild speculations as to how these characters will be. Then later on they will either subvert the expectations or affirm them. My point is if we go around pointing out how DR2 Character X is similar to DR 1 Character Y, we'll be here all day with nothing but a load of expectations and speculation that is purely based off what the creator intended to do by making the characters so similar to previous characters in various ways. It's nice to point out as a "hey look it's X!" kind of deal, but it gets old and ultimately goes nowhere because we still haven't even gotten past the introductions. Thankfully it should be ending soon since we only seem to have three characters left to be introduced if the count is right.
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I have to say, I don't quite get where all the "Saionji is crazy, she'll definitely kill" is coming from. She was squashing ants. Most people have a time in their life when they like to play God and kill tiny insects. It's just a thing that happens more often than not. It isn't the same as Fukawa, who literally had a serial killer personality in her that murdered men she was attracted to. I highly doubt she'll be a killer for that reason. It's way too obvious. But it does make me wonder if she maybe skipped a couple grades and got into Hope Peak's a little early because she was such a proficient dancer. Maybe she had to practice her dancing so much, she never got a chance to go through regular childhood development. Hence the bug squishing. Akane I think is going to be pretty interesting. I wonder if the game is going to have her pull out some serious character development like they did for Asahina. I'm guessing Asahina and Sakura were really popular characters, enough for the creators to want to make a character that incorporates a little bit of both in them. I look forward to seeing her more. Fatgami is Fatgami and he's great. Nothing more to say. But I still don't buy it being absolutely confirmed that he's Togami from DR1.
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CandyCrazy posted:It's the expressions. If she used one of her "cutesy" poses while talking about ant-killing, I could buy that she was simply naive, but:  " and even calls Hajime a coward for not taking part in the act. It seems more stylistic to me than anything, but you do have a point. Those expression are really drat creepy. I just think it's way too obvious for my liking.
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Zeeco posted:Am I missing something? Why is everyone assuming this is the same Togami and not one of his descendants? We are way too early in the game to speculate if this is the real Togami or not, so for now it's just easier to assume that he is actually Togami + a couple hundred pounds. He has the same name, the same SHSL title and similar mannerisms. Random mass guessing gets people nowhere, so why make things more complicated when we have no proof? Really the "X is actually Y" or the "X is not actually X but someone else!" random guessing are the worst because it's based on flimsy evidence. Do you have any reasonable theory as to why this isn't Togami? If not, then don't act like people shouldn't assume that he is the real Togami.
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Falls Down Stairs posted:I don't know whether grade skipping is a thing in Japan, but if it is (or if it is in the DR universe) and there are students talented enough to skip grades, they'd probably be talented enough to draw Hope Peak's researchers' attention when they reach high-school. I would think that the high-school requirement would be more about academic level than age and if that requirement is fulfilled then interest in the students' abilities would trump all else. That and this is an anime inspired game series. People looking younger than they are, or even acting younger than they are, is hardly a new thing as far as anime tropes go.
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kvltmanifesto posted:can I just ask where this "Junko has pink hair" thing came from? I've heard it all throughout the last thread even though all her sprites and concept arts are blatantly blonde.
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Gotta love that callback to DR1. I like how the characters are even positioned in similar poses reminiscent to the original (Fukawa and Mikan, Nekomaru and Hagakure). The only glaring difference is that Togami is in the center instead of our protagonist. Anyway I don't know Usagi/Monomi is gone for good. If she's similar to Monobear then she probably has spare bodies somewhere just in case of an emergency. But I do think whoever is controlling her is different from the person controlling Monobear. The whole "she's secretly evil thing" doesn't make a whole lot of sense after Monobear beat her up and then shot her down.
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Ok I have to be honest here - I think I'm liking Hinata as a protagonist way more than Naegi. He actually seems to show personality right from the start, whereas Naegi took a little while to show some. Not that Naegi was a bad protagonist, but he was just sort of the generic lead character. A nice guy who always wants everyone to stay friends and doesn't give up no matter what the odds are. Hinata on the other hand is not nearly as collected and while I wouldn't say he isn't nice, he does seem more skeptical and a cynic to boot. He immediately goes into panic mode over everything that is happening and it makes him a lot more realistic as a character that even he would get a thought to murder to escape. Usually the standard protagonist would never think of betraying anyone or doing anything that would separate the group, so it adds a certain charm to him. Can't wait until the inevitable trial scenes to see how he measures up compared to Naegi.
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Brannock posted:It seems I'm the only one so far who's completely unimpressed by Hiyoko. She's been utterly one-note so far: "Cute! But is actually dangerously creepy and unsettling?!" The joke wore thin the very first time she did it, and she's still doing it. The "snark poses" don't help either, they just hammer home an already blindingly obvious personality. But I do agree that Hiyoko is just a blatant red herring. Like how we found out Fukawa had a serial killer personality and in the end she never murdered anyone and only attempted when she thought Sakura was going to kill her. But the game could throw us for a loop and make the obvious killer the killer. Celes from the get-go seemed like someone who would be ok with murder and the expectations for that came true halfway into the game.
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TKMobile posted:Okay, something's bothering me here. I can understand apprehension to Togami being the leader (and not just because dude's all but posted a "MURDER ME" sign on his back with his posturing to protect everybody in the role of being the boss,) but ...Why the hell did Koizumi forcibly try to elect Sonia? Just cause she's a princess? I might just be looking into it too much of course, but that is what I've taken from her actions and dialogue so far.
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Yikes this thread goes fast when voting periods come up. It's a little daunting actually. Good luck counting all those votes  I don't have the energy to go through dozens of pages of votes to see who is in the lead or not, so I'll toss in votes for my current favorites.Gundam and Akane for Free Time.
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lotus circle posted:Yikes this thread goes fast when voting periods come up. It's a little daunting actually. Good luck counting all those votes I'm going to retract my vote for Akane and give it to Sonia instead, now that I have a better idea of who is leading and not. Togami I think is important enough to the plot (seeing as he is a returning character) that he will be given a lot of screen time anyway. Same with Nagito. We're going to learn things about them one way or another, so giving the vote to the characters who are less obviously plot involved seems like the better route to get to know them more. Gundam is cool, but he's a huge gag character. Sonia has potential and we have less of an idea how that potential will play out than we do for Nagito and Togami, who will almost definitely become big plot characters (1% chance that they don't in my opinion).
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SWMadness posted:I was going to vote for Gundam and Togami, although there's a lot of characters I really like and would like to get around to talking to. I hope they don't get killed off before we get to know them better.
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In regards to the Dangan Ronpa manga: it is a very, very fast paced version of the game from what I saw of the first game's. To give you an idea here is how the first case of the first game is handled. For starters, it doesn't even have the characters meeting in front of the vault area at all for the first time. It jumps immediately to the gym with Monobear telling everyone about the communion life style, murder to get out and Oowada punching Naegi. Five or six pages later it has Naegi agreeing to switch rooms with Maizono and she goes about how she plans to frame him. It then goes to Maizono attempting to kill Leon, failing and then...well here is the odd thing. In the manga they show Maizono's death as completely accidental. In manga Leon gets his tool kit to open the door so he can reason with Maizono about what happened, not to kill her. They fight over the knife and he accidentally stabs her. This is all of chapter one. Chapter two deals with discovery, investigation and trial. Junko's death is also covered in about two pages. The trial is ridiculously fast. Naegi and Kirigiri immediately notice and point out the bloody letters, go on to talk about the crystal ball being used and how Leon burned his bloodied shirt. If you think that is bad, the second case is even worse - it doesn't even bother to include Fukawa's storyline or make mention that she's Genocider Syo and the trial is completely cut out. To put it short, the DR manga is really only for people who have played the games and know the material. Without it, the manga is incredibly fast, improperly paced and not very gripping. It is pretty though. lotus circle fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jan 24, 2013 |
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...Super High School Level Willpower? That seems to be the only thing that makes sense. The will to do whatever she wants, whenever she wants. Still I don't get how she never even thought to look at the start of the notebook and find her talent explained there. Or maybe she did and completely forgot it, but you still think she would think to look at the beginning every now and then even after forgetting. Also I think chapter sold me on Junko officially. She's completely ridiculous and wacky, but very entertaining in that sense. Not the average "I killed because I was bored" villain at all.
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Jeek posted:I agree that the Junko we see over here is too over the top to be Mukuro, but if she wasn't that crazy, I will guess her to be Mukuro as well since Ryouko would not have remembered how Junko is supposed to look like. Really I see no reason to doubt that the Junko we see is the real Junko Enoshima. Looking at how Mukuro pretended to be Junko and how Junko is really like from the class trial, I say the latter fits more than the former by far in this situation. Thinking it to be Mukuro seems like unnecessary over-complication.
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orenronen posted:I think any attempt at analyzing Junko's character (as well as the social commentary DR is trying to make with her) should come after understanding what Japan's 'gyaru' subculture is all about. Junko is very specifically a SHSL Gyaru, and not a SHSL Model, and this is important. If you're interested, by all means go research the subject - there's plenty of interesting material written about it on the web and elsewhere. Thanks for linking them, I think I might do a little bit of more reading (though I admit I'm interested mainly from an economics point of view).
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alcharagia posted:Or Hinata's theoretical SHSL talent could be revealed after you can no longer spend time with people/specifically Togami. Kirigiri, on the other hand, was pegged as a SHSL Detective right away after Maizono's death because of how she investigated the room so thoroughly. It wasn't really a shocking twist when we found out her talent because it was so blatantly obvious right from the first chapter of the game. Finding it out was more of a "well yeah no duh" kind of moment.
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The memory stealing would be a little more shocking if that wasn't already pretty obvious by now. No one remembered how they got to the classroom, then suddenly she shows up and transports them to an island. I'm still not sure about Togami, but I think this convinced me more that he's the one from the first game and not some other person. It fits right with his development at the end of the game, assuming DR2 takes place after the end of the first. Kuzuryuu unsurprisingly is willing to kill anyone he needs to. It makes me wonder why Hope Peak Academy even let him into the school. Super High School Level or not, he's still a gangster who grew up in a world of death and bloodshed. Even Mondo, who was a biker gang leader, never talked about wanting to murder people and seemed like a genuinely good guy who just badly hosed up. ...Then again it is an anime styled game and really anything goes when you factor that in. The logic of this setting can be pretty baffling
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Commandant posted:Also I didn't see anyone say anything on this yet, but isn't going out and proclaiming that you won't hesistate to kill anyone kind of like painting a huge target on your back? Like in a "I should kill him before he kills me" sort of way. Togami seems to have neutralized the thread but to one of the more on-edge kids (i.e. Souda or Mikan) the threat could easily still feel very much there. Togami still has way more going for him to be the first kill though. I do like Falls Down Stairs idea about everyone being a mind wiped SHSL Despair. A reverse situation of the first game, where the mindwiper is actually a good guy trying to prevent the group from continuing their efforts. The skills they have under that assumption are pretty scary when you think about it from that point of view. Sonia is a princess who could have a lot of international influence, Kuzuryuu being the heir to a mob family can easily supply manpower and even the rational Mahiru could use her photographs to spread propaganda of their efforts. It's an interesting possibility to keep in mind.
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Jeek posted:While the "Togami is mastermind against SHSL Despair goons" theory is interesting, I don't think the other DR1 survivors would approve of such a plan.
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Fedule posted:Oren also suggested that maybe "carrion" isn't a word we could rely on non-native English speakers recognizing. I wouldn't know, of course.
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a spooky ghost posted:Has a sprite pack like that DR1 been posted in this thread yet? I don't remember seeing one, but going out searching seems like a bad idea.
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RefinedUndefined posted:I wonder if we'll ever find out why Mukuro always does as Junko tells her to, because judging from her free-time events from the previous game, she seems to desire a change in life style, so it doesn't seem to be a mutual desire for despair. orenronen posted:
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However, according to my own calculations, it was not possible for Mukuro Ikusaba to fill that role.
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I'm tempted to pick Kuzuryuu, but I'm worried that we may get a situation like in DR1 where the character isn't available for free time being they're off being loners. No point wasting a vote on someone who we may not even be able to talk with.
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RefinedUndefined posted:Moving on, am I the only one seeing a possible friendship, or more considering what this game is like compared to the first one, between Kuzuryuu and Peko. Afterall she is the only one who, outside of free-time events with Hinata, is interacting with him in a way that's, to the event of our knowledge, neither hostile nor fearful, barring that one threat earlier, but she could have said that to anyone who said what he said.
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So I was reading through past updates out of boredom and noticed something odd. Take a look at the monitors where Usagi/Monomi and Monobear show up. The rooms are different if the background is any indication. Not just the chairs, but even the rooms have different furnishing. Monobear looks like he's behind a pool and Usagi is in a room. Now go back to this part that the thread mentioned before. orenronen posted:
What if Usagi/Monomi has her own monitoring system separate from Monobear's? That's how she keeps popping up at just the right time whenever she pleases. If the above monitor images are any proof, it's that she is located in an entirely different area than Monobear is.
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Teddles posted:Perhaps I'm sperging overmuch, but maybe a rule that prevents the same character from going twice in a row? Frankly the game is much more interesting if you know at least a little about each character, and I doubt that dropping all our free-time eggs in the Togami basket will make him step out of his fat suit and reveal his master plan. Let people vote for who they want to vote. I think it's kind of ridiculous that the poll seems to be swayed more by the opinions of people off the site than on the site, but it's better than dozens of low content posts. (That said, I am hoping Sonia takes the lead since she's the closest to Togami for second.)
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Not that it matters what I think, but personally I want the free time events to give us as many glimpses into different characters as possible instead of focusing on one or two favorites. The DR1 thread pretty much missed out on Asahina's entire character by ignoring her during free time events in them, and she was hilarious, especially her donut obsession. Free time events are optional. We're doing them because why wouldn't we, but the game says you don't have to if you don't want to. Anything unimportant to the main game goes in there. It gives us a glimpse into the characters, but they shouldn't be the end all be all for characters and understanding how they're like. People who voted for Fatgami for example should not expect him to tell us about his connection to Monobear and how he has been through all of this before, because something that important would be mentioned in the main story and not in optional portions. I'm sure the less important characters to the story won't get many interesting scenes in the game and that sucks, but any free time events missed are going to be covered after the game ends anyway.
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Not too surprised that Nagito would be unavailable. I was thinking yesterday how he, Hanamura and Togami may not be available for free time, though I guess I was wrong on Togami. Those poor 650 voters have been left in horrible despair. In regards to Sonia, I think I know why I like her so much now. She's everything I wanted Maizono to be in the last game. A character who was kind, but made clear she was willing to do what it took to protect herself. The only difference is Maizono took that to the extreme and attempted to commit murder, whereas Sonia seems to say that she doesn't want to die but also isn't willing to kill. Both characters are similar in design and personality to a degree, but that distinction sets them apart by a good measure. I feel like if Maizono lived to the end she may have become more like Sonia is now and that idea makes me like Sonia. I'm really rooting for her to live to the end now.
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Arleneth posted:The lack of Kuzuryuu is really making me think on the ramifications of rule 9, especially on this much more open island. If the alert goes off only when three people discover a body, then it's possible to murder someone and stash then somewhere remote. Of course, the downside to this method is that you can't graduate off a hidden body, since you require a trial in order to graduate (of course, you could use this as method to make a case grow cold, though "coincidentally" finding the body later would be mighty suspicious). If graduating means not being caught, Peko would be a huge idiot to kill Kuzuryuu because she would immediately be the obvious suspect because she declared her intention to inform him on the party. Unless the murder killed Kuzuryuu and then made it their intention to frame Peko, I think it is just easier to assume for now that he's alive and just avoiding the party because he's a brat.
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Watch us over-complicate this and it'll end up being like that one cliffhanger that ended with Mikan on the ground. Really if oren said he just split up the content because it was too long for one update then it's better to just wait and see how it resolves itself.
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So I see a lot of people accusing Kuzuryuu and I don't understand why. Yes he made a declaration saying he would be ok with killing. But think about the facts: 1) Everyone knows he's avoiding the party (or under the assumption of that, if you want to go down that route) so if someone dies he will be easily suspicious because he has no alibi that can be affirmed by more than one person (Peko being the only one who went to him ahead of time and told everyone he wouldn't show up). If he was going to kill and get away with it, doing it now would be stupid because he is the most suspicious on account of having no one able to account for his timeline during the party. I expect this to come up during the trial for sure. 2) Togami made him mad and that makes him killing Togami a horrible idea. Kuzuryuu already has a motive because of their argument and Togami saying he was going to protect everyone. You don't want to have an obvious motive for murder if you're going to murder and get away with it. If Kuzuryuu was plotting murder it would be smarter for him to actually be in the lodge with everyone else, so he could have an accounted timeline during the murder. Away from the group he is without alibi and is the easiest target for accusation because he could move around freely without anyone being able to say "I saw Kuzuryuu in X place, five minutes before the murder." We also have Nanami to account for, who was in front of the lodge while the party was going on with Monomi. There's no reason to think she's lying from what was seen in my opinion. I do like the theory of Hanamura and Nagito both plotting murder and getting their plans intertwined accidentally. Nagito put the knife under the table and Hanamura went under the floor somehow during the murder. Nagito goes under the table trying to get the knife, but Togami with his night vision goggles spots him and tries to stop him (hence the "what are you doing" soundclip). But Hanamura gets him from underneath, sneaks out of the floor and makes it back in time to rejoin the group. The only issue I see with it are the lights going off at a certain time and how the floor could be accessed. lotus circle fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 21, 2013 |
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DaveWoo posted:Speaking of searching the crime scene... I wonder who's going to lead the investigation? There's no obvious Kirigiri-type character in the group, and pretty much everyone is a potential suspect.
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SingerOfW posted:And I totally forgot about the Monobear files while considering Mikan's possible contribution to the investigation. Who needs a doctor to perform the body check when it's always been done by our omniscient mascot principal? Also I'm thinking the multiple wounds gives a lot more credence to the "murderer under the floor" theory. If the weapon was coming from under Togami it would be easier to do several quick stabs through the floor than it would in close proximity under a table, especially considering Togami's size.
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TCat posted:I have a much better reason- if she did kill someone it probably wouldn't be with anything besides that sword of hers and it's kind of obvious the weapon used was the missing skewer. I don't disagree in that Peko would likely be a character to deliver a fast kill and not make multiple wounds, but the idea to discount her because the murder doesn't involve a sword is silly.
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