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lord1234
Oct 1, 2008


Do any of your lodges use an app for communication? We've recently started using Slack internally at the lodge (replacing FB messenger which was messy), however I've seen a few of the Mason specific apps out there, and am curious if anyone has any feedback/reviews of any of them?

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TurdBurgles
Sep 17, 2007

I AM WHITE AND PLAY NA FLUTE ON TRIBAL LANDS WITH NO GUILT.

Ca switched to iMember last year. Its clunky and harder for the older bros to use but does integrate with the grand lodge website for stuff. It's just ok.
I miss the old one, we lost alot of good local info about good mechanics, contractors, tax guys, etc that had been built up over 5 or so years.

OscarDiggs
Jun 1, 2011

Those sure are words on pages which are given in a sequential order!


If someone asks if you're a Mason, are you allowed to say so?

BONESAWWWWWW
Dec 23, 2009




I think membership is not really a secret, usually. But the ability to operate secretly is a part of how masonry has been able to survive for so long. But there's not really a rule that says you can't tell anyone, if that's what you're asking.

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?


Here the policy is that you can say you are, but can't speak about the membership anyone else alive.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Has anybody tried doing a lodge meeting over Zoom?

Maksimus54
Jan 5, 2011


In our jurisdiction we are holding meetings over zoom that cover business only, no esoteric work.

BONESAWWWWWW
Dec 23, 2009




We've done one similar, it worked surprisingly well. Lots of older members were very used to Zoom by now so we were lucky to have almost no technical issues.

Maksimus54
Jan 5, 2011


I'm dealing with my 3rd consecutive term as WM and feel some serious burnout. The lodge is likely in the best financial position of any in our state but we can't get new members and fighting the old guard has just worn me the gently caress down. We are struggling to fill seats much less the chairs and anytime we talk about spending money it's always the same old fight. Can I just kill the old fuckers? Ya'll won't tell on me right? Obviously joking but gently caress I'm just tired of this poo poo. Tell me your war stories

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Maksimus54 posted:

I'm dealing with my 3rd consecutive term as WM and feel some serious burnout. The lodge is likely in the best financial position of any in our state but we can't get new members and fighting the old guard has just worn me the gently caress down. We are struggling to fill seats much less the chairs and anytime we talk about spending money it's always the same old fight. Can I just kill the old fuckers? Ya'll won't tell on me right? Obviously joking but gently caress I'm just tired of this poo poo. Tell me your war stories

I find that these sorts of issues come up in most any lodge (at least around here). Folks who've been there forever don't raise new master masons. Realize they're old and have trouble keeping the lodge going. Initiate some uppity youngerns with ideas and opinions. Everybody gets mad, some forget their obligations. People leave for a while and it just kind of re-coalesces or they end up merging with another lodge.

Consider also if the lodge is in a good financial position, that may be due to the foresight of your elder brethren. If they've worked hard to establish a nest egg for the lodge, they're not going to be happy to see it disappear.

As for how to attract new members and fill seats... that's a conundrum as old as time itself. Our fraternity just doesn't have the same draw it once did what with new fangled internet things, gender struggles, and maybe more openly atheist folks about? Yes I know a couple pages in we asked about not bringing up the women/atheists issue but it's just part of things. Sometimes race is sadly an issue, too.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007





Found out we may, may, get to do our installation this year. V. Happy.

Maksimus54
Jan 5, 2011


knuthgrush posted:

I find that these sorts of issues come up in most any lodge (at least around here). Folks who've been there forever don't raise new master masons. Realize they're old and have trouble keeping the lodge going. Initiate some uppity youngerns with ideas and opinions. Everybody gets mad, some forget their obligations. People leave for a while and it just kind of re-coalesces or they end up merging with another lodge.

Consider also if the lodge is in a good financial position, that may be due to the foresight of your elder brethren. If they've worked hard to establish a nest egg for the lodge, they're not going to be happy to see it disappear.

As for how to attract new members and fill seats... that's a conundrum as old as time itself. Our fraternity just doesn't have the same draw it once did what with new fangled internet things, gender struggles, and maybe more openly atheist folks about? Yes I know a couple pages in we asked about not bringing up the women/atheists issue but it's just part of things. Sometimes race is sadly an issue, too.

I appreciate the feedback. It just gets exhausting to keep working against folks rather than with.

I'm hoping that with in person meetings returning(late this year fingers crossed) we see some new blood looking for community and togetherness after a year of isolation.

OscarDiggs
Jun 1, 2011

Those sure are words on pages which are given in a sequential order!


Where do Non-binary people fall on the "No girls allowed" part of the masonic traditions?

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?


OscarDiggs posted:

Where do Non-binary people fall on the "No girls allowed" part of the masonic traditions?

I remember reading that the English Grand Lodge has a policy stating that if you are a man in legal terms (having transitioned and gotten the paperwork done, or not having your gender officially changed even if you don't consider yourself as being a man) then you are in, though I might be mistaken. The Finnish one would likely follow that example if it came up. In Finland at least there are related organizations for women, to my knowledge.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007





Am I wrong, or was there also an EGL statement that those who transitioned to women, could also stay? No issue with that, but puzzled me as it seems contrary to fully accepting the transition?

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.

Grimey Drawer

Chubby Henparty posted:

Am I wrong, or was there also an EGL statement that those who transitioned to women, could also stay? No issue with that, but puzzled me as it seems contrary to fully accepting the transition?

https://www.ugle.org.uk/gender-reassignment-policy

UGLE policy here. Basically, the rule is that you must be a man to be initiated. Nowhere in masonic law does it say that members must remain men after joining, so individual Grand Lodges are free to decide how to handle such cases themselves.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007





That's the one, thank you.

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010





SimonChris posted:

https://www.ugle.org.uk/gender-reassignment-policy

UGLE policy here. Basically, the rule is that you must be a man to be initiated. Nowhere in masonic law does it say that members must remain men after joining, so individual Grand Lodges are free to decide how to handle such cases themselves.

Obligated not to make a woman a mason, not obligated not to make a mason a woman.

Iymarra
Oct 4, 2010





Survived AGDQ 2018 Awful Games block!

Grimey Drawer

Glad that UGLE is that forward thinking. No mention of similar things on Grand Lodge of Scotland where I am, but hm.

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017



Ataxerxes posted:

Here the policy is that you can say you are, but can't speak about the membership anyone else alive.

the one mason i've known was like the exact opposite of this, holy poo poo. i thought he was pretty blabbermouth.

and it almost crossed my mind to ask him about getting in

20 Blunts fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 25, 2021

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

Don't get your pen, son, you won't be needing that. My order's simple, a shitload of dim sims. And I want a bucket of soya sauce.


Now that we can go back to face to face meetings, my initiation is tomorrow.

Here goes.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Bargearse posted:

Now that we can go back to face to face meetings, my initiation is tomorrow.

Here goes.

Congrats! It'll be the best degree you've ever had...

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?


Bargearse posted:

Now that we can go back to face to face meetings, my initiation is tomorrow.

Here goes.

Congratz! I'm waiting for the things to normalize here so that a friend can get his first degree.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

Don't get your pen, son, you won't be needing that. My order's simple, a shitload of dim sims. And I want a bucket of soya sauce.


Ataxerxes posted:

Congratz! I'm waiting for the things to normalize here so that a friend can get his first degree.

knuthgrush posted:

Congrats! It'll be the best degree you've ever had...

Thanks, it was certainly an experience I値l never forget. Especially the REDACTED. And the goat. Also, I just found out I was the first new initiate statewide this year.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Bargearse posted:

Thanks, it was certainly an experience I値l never forget. Especially the REDACTED. And the goat. Also, I just found out I was the first new initiate statewide this year.

Wait... *the* goat? Your lodge only has one per degree? I'd ask for a do-over.

Good luck on your lecture and welcome to our mystic circle!

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

Don't get your pen, son, you won't be needing that. My order's simple, a shitload of dim sims. And I want a bucket of soya sauce.


It was a double first degree. We had to share the goat.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Bargearse posted:

It was a double first degree. We had to share the goat.

I knew membership in the US was declining but I didn't know we no longer had enough money for livestock!

Does your lodge cover all of the parts of the EA? I'm unsure how other states operate but the monitors where I am have a great deal of info on each degree. Maybe ask a master mason to go over some of it with you. Might be fun to go over along with your lecture, too.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

Don't get your pen, son, you won't be needing that. My order's simple, a shitload of dim sims. And I want a bucket of soya sauce.


knuthgrush posted:

I knew membership in the US was declining but I didn't know we no longer had enough money for livestock!

Does your lodge cover all of the parts of the EA? I'm unsure how other states operate but the monitors where I am have a great deal of info on each degree. Maybe ask a master mason to go over some of it with you. Might be fun to go over along with your lecture, too.

I知 Australia under the Grand Lodge of Victoria so it might be a little different here, but I believe I got the whole experience. I got some reading material for the next degree and a neat bag for my apron and other bits and pieces. They致e kind of given me a mentor I can talk to if I have any questions, too.

Still a little humbling to think I知 in such company as George Washington, King George VI and Buzz Aldrin.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



Bargearse posted:

I知 Australia under the Grand Lodge of Victoria so it might be a little different here, but I believe I got the whole experience. I got some reading material for the next degree and a neat bag for my apron and other bits and pieces. They致e kind of given me a mentor I can talk to if I have any questions, too.

Still a little humbling to think I知 in such company as George Washington, King George VI and Buzz Aldrin.

Ah yes, my US-centric brain strikes again. Now I need to go on a rabbit hole of Australian lodges. That all sounds very cool.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

Don't get your pen, son, you won't be needing that. My order's simple, a shitload of dim sims. And I want a bucket of soya sauce.


Yeah, I知 told Australian lodges have a good reputation when it comes to things like ritual work, but this is literally my third day as an entered apprentice so I don稚 have a lot of perspective.

Still, it feels good to be a part of it, and they even let me in on some more secrets (the location of the hidden beer fridge)

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

https://twitter.com/le_Parisien/status/1390620667222142977

A Neo-Nazi group in France was arrested for plotting a bombing of a Masonic lodge.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Deyr fe,
deyja fraendr,
deyr sjalfr it sama,
ek veit einn,
at aldrei deyr:
domr um daudan hvern.


That is French nazis favorite loving hangup, even more than jews these days. It goes way back with the catholic church or so I understand.


E: On topic, I actually came to ask about the York Rite. Without giving away what you can't, can you say something about what they do? There are only two orders in my country, one is creepy as gently caress and requires all members to be baptized christians to which I'm noping out, and the other is affiliated with CLIPSAS which sounds good on the accepting women and non-christians part, but not so good on the permitting religious discussion in their lodges*

* Though this may be pretty polite and harmless for all I know.

Tias fucked around with this message at 07:34 on May 13, 2021

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007





Tias posted:

but not so good on the permitting religious discussion in their lodges*

My question following from this would be: tell me about lodges that go in for actual topical discussions and development as part of meetings. Mine and all the lodges I've visited have always followed fairly standard candidate work/guest speaker -> big dinners formats and LOIs to support these. The US podcasts make it seem like there's lots of Big Discussions going on which sound really interesting (and where do they find the time)

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.

Grimey Drawer

Tias posted:

That is French nazis favorite loving hangup, even more than jews these days. It goes way back with the catholic church or so I understand.


E: On topic, I actually came to ask about the York Rite. Without giving away what you can't, can you say something about what they do? There are only two orders in my country, one is creepy as gently caress and requires all members to be baptized christians to which I'm noping out, and the other is affiliated with CLIPSAS which sounds good on the accepting women and non-christians part, but not so good on the permitting religious discussion in their lodges*

* Though this may be pretty polite and harmless for all I know.

You are from Denmark, right? Denmark does have regular lodges practicing the English ritual, which does not require people to be christians (DDFL.dk). DDFL is nowadays considered an autonomous sub-body of the Christian DDFO, with the same recognition. DDFL has also recently been permitted to start Royal Arch chapters in Denmark, which would be considered part of the "York Rite" in the US (The US York Rite is basically three different smaller rites stacked on top of each other).

I haven't taken the Royal Arch myself, though, so I can't answer many questions about. All I know is that it supposedly completes the story told in the three degrees of Craft Masonry.

SimonChris fucked around with this message at 09:54 on May 13, 2021

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

I can only speak to the York Rite in the US, but it's made up of three parts here:

The Royal Arch
The Cryptic Council
The Commandery of Knights Templar

The degrees of the first section "complete" the story from the Blue Lodge degrees, and are really good. The Council is sort of like DLC content that adds light to the story, but isn't "necessary" per se. And then the Commandery culminates in the order of Knight of the Temple, which DOES require a vested belief in Christianity.

The thing is, when you sign up for "the York Rite", at least where I did it, you sign up for all 3 in one go. So, the issue of Christianity does get tied to the York Rite as a whole.

BONESAWWWWWW
Dec 23, 2009




Where I am (Michigan, US) it feels assumed that you will do all 3 if you do any at all. I have my Royal Arch and I'm probably not going any further though.

The RA degrees were really good. I am glad I did them.

My understanding is that if you do Commandery you don't have to be christian per se, but you will have to pledge to defend the christian faith. Might be off on that one though.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.



No. 1 Juicy Boi posted:

I can only speak to the York Rite in the US, but it's made up of three parts here:

The Royal Arch
The Cryptic Council
The Commandery of Knights Templar

The degrees of the first section "complete" the story from the Blue Lodge degrees, and are really good. The Council is sort of like DLC content that adds light to the story, but isn't "necessary" per se. And then the Commandery culminates in the order of Knight of the Temple, which DOES require a vested belief in Christianity.:heart

The thing is, when you sign up for "the York Rite", at least where I did it, you sign up for all 3 in one go. So, the issue of Christianity does get tied to the York Rite as a whole.

In my state, you are not required a vested belief in Christianity, you only have to agree to uphold their right to that belief.

As the other poster said it's also assumed you'll join all three if you join one.

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SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.

Grimey Drawer

https://www.herts-chapter.org.uk/hertfordshires-royal-arch-in-denmark/

More information about the Royal Arch in Denmark, in English, including an overview of Danish Craft Masonry in general.

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