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wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


qirex posted:

You don’t. Or you could get a less powerful surround receiver for around the same price and add speakers later. I’m pretty strongly of the opinion that home Atmos is a waste, especially in a living room [as opposed to a dedicated theater room] and double especially out of a soundbar. If you’re spending under several grand you’re better off getting fewer, better speakers which makes everything sound good as opposed to just a fraction of movies and games.

The benefits of the extra channels Atmos supports are obviously debatable in smaller environments, but I was under the impression that the nature of the system also allowed it to provide a significantly better experience on less than ideal surround configurations because it can adapt to where the speakers actually are rather than where they should be, like a video game. Am I wrong about that?

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VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out





Unless you plan on putting speakers in your ceiling, Atmos/DTS:X are little more than nice-to-haves. The up-firing drivers on an Atmos soundbar can definitely give some height to the sound field, and mine (Samsung HW-Q70T) can use them in some situations to make non-Atmos content have its front channels to appear to originate from within the screen area instead of beneath it. For more atmospheric effects, you're at the mercy of acoustics. My bar's up channels are just high range, which makes sense because you won't get as much reflection with lower frequencies. The left side of my room accommodates the intent of the engineers quite well, and i often hear things like birds chirping from above and behind me. On the right, what isn't damped by the curtains ends up reflected into the left field.

Soundbars only really exist because TVs became too thin to contain suitable sound and also THE COMPONENT FACTOR (Johnny Longtorso! Johnny Longtorso! The Man Who Comes in Pieces!), and fill a gap between "better than the TV speakers" and a real setup. I only went with one because I don't have space where the TV is, and I got it for real real cheap.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Didn't realize the C1 doesn't come with an HDMI 2.1 cable. I assume I need one going to my Denon X3700H? I also just read that it's not guaranteed that the cable that came with the PS5 can do 2.1 stuff.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

drat

Best Buy offers the very popular LG OLED77CX TV for $2950 for its Best Buy club members (free to sign up). Non-members pay $50 more. Shipping/ Delivery is free.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-77-...T&skuId=6401914

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




That's what I paid for my 65 C6 back in 2016.

Tempting, but 3d is probably going to keep me using this tv until it dies or there's some other significant leap in tech.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


For gaming, gsync and 120hz were that leap in my opinion.

McCracAttack
Feb 21, 2006



OLED and HDR were that leap for me. I started Resident Evil 8 on a 1080p LCD but upgraded to a 4k OLED half way through. My immediate reaction was "oh I can see just fine in the dark areas now even though they look darker than before". No more squinting into a grey fog.

The downside is there are way more settings to fiddle with and some of them turn on or off depending on if you're watching SDR or HDR content. So it's like you have to adjust the picture twice for every input.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




Incessant Excess posted:

For gaming, gsync and 120hz were that leap in my opinion.

I don't game on my living room tv so that's not a consideration there.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



Incessant Excess posted:

For gaming, gsync and 120hz were that leap in my opinion.

If you dont have these things you have literal garbage and thats indisputable fact. Once you've seen it, you cant go back. Much like...motion interpolation

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?


codo27 posted:

If you dont have these things you have literal garbage and thats indisputable fact. Once you've seen it, you cant go back.

If this is meant to be a joke, it's definitely not. It's truly indisputable.

RIP Paul Walker
Feb 26, 2004



The thread title taught me that the 77” has come down to 3k, which is cheap enough that I may finally replace my Sony KDL-50W700B. I’ve always thought 50” was too small, but none of the cheap TVs seem to have as good of color. My girlfriend’s 65” Roku TV is kind of crap in comparison.

Jolo
Jun 4, 2007

ive been playing with magnuts tying to change the wold as we know it

I've got an LG CX and now whenever I watch any NBA games I get popups on the tv itself to "Click to see Brook's Gear" referring to Brook Lopez on the Nets. If I click while the ad is up it pulls up User Agreements where the options are Agree or Later.

I see an option in General/Additional Settings called Live Plus that says content on the tv can be recognized to personalize services and advertisements. I have that Off.

In Advertisement, Limit Ad Tracking is On.

I'm still getting these ads on top of the games I'm watching. Did I miss something or can this poo poo not be turned off?

Jolo fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jun 16, 2021

KKKLIP ART
Sep 3, 2004



Jolo posted:

I've got an LG CX and now whenever I watch any NBA games I get popups on the tv itself to "Click to see Brook's Gear" referring to Brook Lopez on the Nets. If I click while the ad is up it pulls up User Agreements where the options are Agree or Later.

I see an option in General/Additional Settings called Live Plus that says content on the tv can be recognized to personalize services and advertisements. I have that Off.

In Advertisement, Limit Ad Tracking is On.

I'm still getting these ads on top of the games I'm watching. Did I miss something or can this poo poo not be turned off?

What TV service are you using? I remember getting stuff like that when I was using YouTube TV

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


Hopefully someone gets a kick out of the fact that I am buying a 27" sony Wega on Friday. Wish me and my back good luck please

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...



Should hold out (and throw out your back) for the 32.

good luck. Make drat sure it includes the remote, because the Wega line had the option to futz with the exact shape and placement of the image, like a monitor could.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.




I have a KV-32FS13 sitting in my basement right now. Been trying to convince a friend to take it off my hands for his retro gaming room plans. I just can't bring myself to junk it.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


Mister Facetious posted:

Should hold out (and throw out your back) for the 32.

good luck. Make drat sure it includes the remote, because the Wega line had the option to futz with the exact shape and placement of the image, like a monitor could.

Lol I would but I legit don't know if I can get anything bigger down my basement stairs

kloa
Feb 14, 2007




Jolo posted:

I've got an LG CX and now whenever I watch any NBA games I get popups on the tv itself to "Click to see Brook's Gear" referring to Brook Lopez on the Nets. If I click while the ad is up it pulls up User Agreements where the options are Agree or Later.

I see an option in General/Additional Settings called Live Plus that says content on the tv can be recognized to personalize services and advertisements. I have that Off.

In Advertisement, Limit Ad Tracking is On.

I'm still getting these ads on top of the games I'm watching. Did I miss something or can this poo poo not be turned off?

You only need to accept the Terms and Privacy Policy agreements under Support > Additional Settings > User Agreements, which should disable the ACR and other crap popping up.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


Jolo posted:

I've got an LG CX and now whenever I watch any NBA games I get popups on the tv itself to "Click to see Brook's Gear" referring to Brook Lopez on the Nets. If I click while the ad is up it pulls up User Agreements where the options are Agree or Later.

I see an option in General/Additional Settings called Live Plus that says content on the tv can be recognized to personalize services and advertisements. I have that Off.

In Advertisement, Limit Ad Tracking is On.

I'm still getting these ads on top of the games I'm watching. Did I miss something or can this poo poo not be turned off?

Look at the AI settings and "enhancements" turn em off liberally.

Sioux
May 30, 2006

some ghoulish parody of humanity

Captain Yossarian posted:

Hopefully someone gets a kick out of the fact that I am buying a 27" sony Wega on Friday. Wish me and my back good luck please

What's the practical use of a Sony Wega TV over a modern tv?

McCracAttack
Feb 21, 2006



Sioux posted:

practical use

See this is the wrong attitude.

I'm guessing retro games though.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"


Sioux posted:

What's the practical use of a Sony Wega TV over a modern tv?



McCracAttack posted:

See this is the wrong attitude.

I'm guessing retro games though.

Lol it's this. I have an original SNES, PS1&2, OG Xbox, GameCube and all that jazz. I COULD get upscalers and etc to hook up to HDMI but as I get older I appreciate CRT more. Plus this TV is only going to cost me $20 and my time. Sure makes me regret throwing out or shooting all those old tube tvs a million years ago though

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

I'M JUST HERE TO KISS TITTIESS AND WIN FOOTBALL GAMES!
(AND GET EVERYBODY FIRED)


75" Samsung QLED $1798 shipped from B&H.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...



Sioux posted:

What's the practical use of a Sony Wega TV over a modern tv?

Insert Digital Foundry wankery for pre-HD consoles here.

In fact, they made an entire video on the subject.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming


Anyone played around with the Filmmaker mode on the C1? General consensus still that the CX is a better buy than the C1?

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005



morestuff posted:

Anyone played around with the Filmmaker mode on the C1? General consensus still that the CX is a better buy than the C1?

Wait what? I just ordered a C1 because they were 300 off. But I can totally cancel and go for the cheaper CX.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness


Better buy in the sense that it's cheaper while being very similar maybe, in a vacuum the C1 is (slightly) better than the CX.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Should the video output information page on the PS5 show 120Hz for resolution and the available frequencies if I think I have everything set up right?

I have a new LG C1 hooked up to my Denon X3700H with an HDMI 2.1 cable from Best Buy that has the certification QR code on it. The PS5 is hooked to the Denon with the cable it came with which I assume is 2.1 as well?

Do I need to be in a 120Hz game to see it show up on that page? I'm just on the home screen since I don't have a 120 game.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021


C1 is definitely better, people are just bringing up CX because of the aggressive discounting LG always do on TVs. Kinda how people talk about GPUs based on their pricing instead of absolute performance.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



KingKapalone posted:

Should the video output information page on the PS5 show 120Hz for resolution and the available frequencies if I think I have everything set up right?

I have a new LG C1 hooked up to my Denon X3700H with an HDMI 2.1 cable from Best Buy that has the certification QR code on it. The PS5 is hooked to the Denon with the cable it came with which I assume is 2.1 as well?

Do I need to be in a 120Hz game to see it show up on that page? I'm just on the home screen since I don't have a 120 game.

The Denon has 2.1 functionality does it? If any one link in the chain is uncapable, you'll be capped at 60hz @ 4K. Usually you only get one port on the TV or receiver thats 2.1 (120hz4k) compatible if it has the feature at all

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Yeah it supports it. This video says to enable 8K Enhanced on the receiver which I did but I still only see 60Hz on the Video Output Information screen (again not playing a game). It also says under Color Format that 4K HDR content at 60Hz will be YUV422 or 420 instead of RGB die to HDMI 2.0 transfer speed limits if that means anything.

I'll ask in the audio thread too.

Butterfly Valley
Apr 19, 2007

Begone Trump, hello cool dog, you're welcome. And be ein good goon.



KingKapalone posted:

The PS5 is hooked to the Denon with the cable it came with which I assume is 2.1 as well?

You would assume that but you’d be wrong

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

Butterfly Valley posted:

You would assume that but you’d be wrong

What I've read is that it is. The PS5 is software capped at 32Gbps but the cable is still ultra high speed capable.

Edit: Saw a reddit comment saying I might need to have a 120hz capable game running anyway.

KingKapalone fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 17, 2021

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.



I'm going to be in the market for a (probably) 75" TV soon for my living room. Budget is $1000-2000.

Is VRR a realistic goal in this size class and price range? I'll be connecting the TV to my desktop, and if I'm playing with a controller I'd rather be on the couch than in my computer chair. So VRR that's compatible with my 3070 would be a nice feature, if it's affordable.

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.


FBS posted:

I'm going to be in the market for a (probably) 75" TV soon for my living room. Budget is $1000-2000.

Is VRR a realistic goal in this size class and price range? I'll be connecting the TV to my desktop, and if I'm playing with a controller I'd rather be on the couch than in my computer chair. So VRR that's compatible with my 3070 would be a nice feature, if it's affordable.

Sony X900H is pretty ok and has VRR, but I think the X950H might be the better deal even though it lacks VRR. You can't do HDR+VRR on the 900, and there are some other limitations. Both in your price range.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

An update from above about 120Hz. Installed Fortnite and enabled 120fps in the game menu. With the game still open I go look at the Video Output Info page and it says the current signal is 1080p at 120Hz. The 4K frequencies down below still only go to 60Hz.

Edit: I removed the receiver from the equation and I can get 4K at 120 by running either of the cables straight from the TV to the PS5. Something in the receiver is limiting it, but the only setting I've heard to change is turning on 8K Enhanced in the Signal Format setting which I did already. What else could there be?

KingKapalone fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Jun 18, 2021

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



KingKapalone posted:

An update from above about 120Hz. Installed Fortnite and enabled 120fps in the game menu. With the game still open I go look at the Video Output Info page and it says the current signal is 1080p at 120Hz. The 4K frequencies down below still only go to 60Hz.

Edit: I removed the receiver from the equation and I can get 4K at 120 by running either of the cables straight from the TV to the PS5. Something in the receiver is limiting it, but the only setting I've heard to change is turning on 8K Enhanced in the Signal Format setting which I did already. What else could there be?

You double checked the AVR input you're using right? In my preliminary research in getting a 2.1 capable receiver, it seems they usually only have one input that will support 2.1, the rest wont and will be capped at 4k60. Sorry if you said that before already.

KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

codo27 posted:

You double checked the AVR input you're using right? In my preliminary research in getting a 2.1 capable receiver, it seems they usually only have one input that will support 2.1, the rest wont and will be capped at 4k60. Sorry if you said that before already.

Yeah I even checked the manual. It's in the Monitor 1 Out which is the eARC port. https://manuals.denon.com/AVRX3700H/NA/EN/RQIFSYmsgcwplo.php

codo27
Apr 21, 2008



I was more wondering about the PS5 being plugged into input 7

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KingKapalone
Dec 20, 2005
1/16 Native American + 1/2 Hungarian = Totally Badass

codo27 posted:

I was more wondering about the PS5 being plugged into input 7

Oh I bet that's what it is! There's that 8K input. All of the other inputs are the same with a different label so I assumed it's just a name but I'll check when I'm home.

Edit: it's definitely going to be that. Didn't notice the color difference since I plug all this poo poo in upside down in an awkward position https://manuals.denon.com/AVRX3700H/NA/EN/DRDZSYudulleco.php

KingKapalone fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jun 18, 2021

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