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Borus Redrum. C'mon, Konami.
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Every update just reminds me how sad it is that this series bit the dust. The attention to detail at the character, lore, and visual levels is just so stunning.
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hanales posted:Every update just reminds me how sad it is that this series bit the dust. The attention to detail at the character, lore, and visual levels is just so stunning. But do you really want Suikoden pachinko?
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I would personally like some answers that none of the game seem to answer. Jeanne, Yuber, the nature of some other True Runes, things like that.
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quote:This always struck me as such a weird line (also: I always remember it happening during the ending, not here), but I like it a lot and I dunno why. It says a huge amount about Lucia and what her life must have been like between Suikoden II and III, I guess, and speaks to a level of understanding that's just sorta amazing I guess. Like... "I don't know Zexen or your knights, but I still know you. I hope you'll realize you know me as well". Hard to explain. Sarah is a bitch of a fight, as everyone has noted. I had a run once where I cleared out all her support right away... but she never moved from her start position, meaning she was actually against the 'wall' of the fight area and only three of my fighters could get to her. They of course were my least ACCURATE fighters and the fight lasted many more turns. I don't even remember if I won it.
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I don't remember having nearly as much trouble with Sarah as I did with Yuber, and I'm pretty sure I didn't silence her either.  quote:This is such a great shot  Chris' pre-dungeon scene is the one I remember best of the lot. It's a good one. quote:"No, we do it for the money. And, because we above all must know the value of a human life, we do it for a great deal of money." ...sorry. Rabbi Raccoon posted:I would personally like some answers that none of the game seem to answer. Jeanne, Yuber, the nature of some other True Runes, things like that. I dunno, it feels like whatever they came up with to explain Jeane at this point would seem underwhelming. Could definitely have done with a reveal of the remaining runes, though.
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Remind me to expound on this topic after this game's plot is done. I have a log of a fun Skype convo a while back about Suikoden's unanswered questions.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:11
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Hunter Noventa posted:But do you really want Suikoden pachinko? Well that already exists so whether I want it or not is immaterial. It's a bummer that Konami has made so much money from gambling that they have pretty much dropped the VG market.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:46
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A friend of mine actually bought one of those Suikoden pachislot machines almost by accident off a lucky auction bid that he didn't expect to win. If he ever does a video I'll be sure to post it.
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hanales posted:Every update just reminds me how sad it is that this series bit the dust. The attention to detail at the character, lore, and visual levels is just so stunning. hanales posted:It's a bummer that Konami has made so much money from gambling that they have pretty much dropped the VG market. YUP. I really wish we could get a new Suikoden game, because the series is so good and made with so much love, but it's not happening. I think I'd be upset if Konami did try to make a new one, too, though. Because I know it wouldn't be very good. Delsaber posted:A friend of mine actually bought one of those Suikoden pachislot machines almost by accident off a lucky auction bid that he didn't expect to win. If he ever does a video I'll be sure to post it. Please, yes. How did that even happen? It sounds like a great story. vilkacis posted:I don't remember having nearly as much trouble with Sarah as I did with Yuber, and I'm pretty sure I didn't silence her either. The problem is that Sarah's fight is finnicky. On my main run, I didn't really have any trouble with her, and I don't think I had much of a problem last time I played, but then on my other save files she decided to be absolutely horrendous. With Yuber, you know what you're getting into -- it's going to be fairly difficult. With Sarah, she can range between being not too bad or absolutely ridiculous. I still maintain that the most difficult fight in the game was that fight against Borus as Geddoe, like a billion years ago. CmdrKing posted:(also: I always remember it happening during the ending, not here) IIRC she has more words with Chris later? I remembered it being after this too, though.
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Chapter 5.9 - Take Back True Water - feat. Hugo Again, this section of the dungeon has a Hugo version as an alternate, if he has the True Water Rune.  His intro scene is pretty similar to the one he had for True Lightning, but it is different. Which is interesting because, like a lot of the alternate scenes and nice touches, who the gently caress would have noticed if it had just been the same?  I really like Caesar's smarmy looking face right here.  : "Yeah, I will. I've come too far to give up now." : "You're making fun of me again."   I like this line in conjunction with the Lulu scene better than the one we got in the True Lightning version. It just feels better.  : "That's enough. Please choose your party members. Time's running out!"This is the place where I'd pick my party, but it doesn't matter at all, so let's just keep this going.  After this would be the Lulu scene, but we just saw that, and it hasn't changed. From there, we'd explore the path. It also hasn't changed, so I'll skip straight to Sarah.  And here she is.   : "You won't stop interfering with Master Luc, will you?"  Okay, guys, we've got her outnumbered.  Uhhh? Okay. I guess that's true.    : "To live is not a sin, but to remain ignorant is."    I really like this scene, actually, and it's a shame that you're not likely to see it because who in their right minds picks Chris as their Flame Champion. Hugo is a really good kid, and this conversation does a really good job of illustrating not only that he's a good person, but that he's still got some of that childish simplicity and sincerity in him.  Camera angle.    So, as a whole, the fight with Sarah is a little less annoying as Hugo, mainly because you can basically point him at anything on the field except her, and he's pretty likely to be able to take them down in one turn as long as he's riding Fubar. The mounted damage boost, combined with his high crit chance, means he is really useful. On the flip side, Sarah seems to cast her super spells more often against him for some reason? Anyway, the fight isn't too different, so I will sum it up for you instead. Because I learned something very important in this fight. There's a peculiarity with the Jongleur Rune when combined with silence/magic dissolved status effects. Brief recap since I wasn't screen-capping from the start, I had her start chanting a song, and then Joe used Silent Lake on the same turn. She's a bit faster than him, so she completed her cast before he did. He's a bit faster than whatever spell Sarah had been planning on using, so she wasn't able to cast. Also, the Azzodess further silenced her and Joe after that all went down.  Next turn, though, it let me continue Nei's chant, in spite of her having both silent status effects stacked on her. Because she cast it before the status effect, maybe? Either way, very useful. Obviously, can't change whatever song she'd been singing, but still.  It's a neat trick, but only lasts for that one turn. Next turn, her chanting stopped and the silence kicked in. Still, very interesting and potentially very helpful. Nothing else of note happened, so we'll just move along.   Hugo seems a lot more out of breath than Chris was after the fight.   : "Please forgive me, Master Luc. I was not strong enough."  It doesn't come across very well in screen shots, but he's basically staggering towards her, as opposed to Chris' confident walking.   He trudges closer to her again, still panting.   : "I would do anything for Master Luc..."And this is where the scene becomes pretty different from the Chris version.  Rather than lecture her or argue, he just looks really sad.  Portrait change.    And that's it. No more fighting, no knocking her unconscious. Just a talk. A really sincere talk between them. I wish we got to see more of it.  And then she relinquishes the rune to Hugo.
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FairGame posted:I chose Chris as the flame champion And you got the good Hugo scenes as a reward! 
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yokaiy posted:I still maintain that the most difficult fight in the game was that fight against Borus as Geddoe, like a billion years ago. Even more than the battle against the True Wind Rune Incarnation with Chris's default party? And it is sad that Suikoden is effectively dead, but the series took a sharp turn for the awful when Murayama left. V was a step in the right direction, but then we got Tierkreis. And a PSP game that was apparently so bad they didn't even bother translating it.
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FairGame posted:I chose Chris as the flame champion I was planning on it for my next playthrough and thanks to this LP I feel like I don't have to! But I still probably will. At least Chris chapter 3 is still my favorite..
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Verant posted:And it is sad that Suikoden is effectively dead, but the series took a sharp turn for the awful when Murayama left. V was a step in the right direction, but then we got Tierkreis. And a PSP game that was apparently so bad they didn't even bother translating it. I still want to know what the thought process behind Tierkries was. Why on earth would you take a series that's known and beloved for its continuity and connections between games (returning characters, nods to important events, etc.) and then set it in an alternate universe with absolutely NO connection to anything before it? I just can't understand how anyone thought this was a good idea.
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Bufuman posted:I still want to know what the thought process behind Tierkries was. Why on earth would you take a series that's known and beloved for its continuity and connections between games (returning characters, nods to important events, etc.) and then set it in an alternate universe with absolutely NO connection to anything before it? I just can't understand how anyone thought this was a good idea. Theyneverwouldhaveknownunlesstheytried.
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Verant posted:Even more than the battle against the True Wind Rune Incarnation with Chris's default party? Oh, wow, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, that's probably also pretty terrible! I'll let you know how that goes once I give it a whirl, for sure. Verant posted:And it is sad that Suikoden is effectively dead, but the series took a sharp turn for the awful when Murayama left. V was a step in the right direction, but then we got Tierkreis. And a PSP game that was apparently so bad they didn't even bother translating it. All I know about Tierkreis is that I kinda like the design of the main character and that it is apparently bad. I don't know anything about the PSP game.
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Bufuman posted:I still want to know what the thought process behind Tierkries was. Why on earth would you take a series that's known and beloved for its continuity and connections between games (returning characters, nods to important events, etc.) and then set it in an alternate universe with absolutely NO connection to anything before it? I just can't understand how anyone thought this was a good idea.
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FairGame posted:I chose Chris as the flame champion Same here. I did have a little fun last time and used a code to give her the same magic stats as Viki and upped her Flmae compatibility. That was honestly interesting, since she suddenly is very skilled at using the True Flame Rune, and can cast it pretty quick too!
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AradoBalanga posted:so good job at failing, Konami! konami.txt right here.
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As long as you don't get hung up on "it's different so it sucks", Tierkreis is not the worst game in the series (unfriendly reminder that IV exists). It's not a good Suikoden game, but it's a decent enough RPG, if you treat it as a different, Outlaws-inspired game.yokaiy posted:
 ...If someone still hasn't got around to doing Tierkreis by the time I'm done with 1 and 2 (and that's not happening soon), I'm going to have to strongly consider it. Not even going to think about the PSP one though, someone who actually speaks the language can do that.
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Hmmm, I gotta say I like the Chris versus Sarah scene better, if only because she literally got to clobber some sense into her. I'm really not liking the fact that if these are the final battles, all of the badguys seem to be getting away or getting off scot-free (which is something I clearly don't remember, seeing as I only played this once years ago.) But then, Hugo's crew wouldn't be goodguys if they took lives right after preaching about how wrong it is. I'm just venting. I've been loving this whole LP 
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vilkacis posted:As long as you don't get hung up on "it's different so it sucks", Tierkreis is not the worst game in the series (unfriendly reminder that IV exists). It's not a good Suikoden game, but it's a decent enough RPG, if you treat it as a different, Outlaws-inspired game. There have been very few cases where the voice acting is so off putting that I don't want to play a game, but this was one of them. Part of me wants to give it another shot, but it's the only Suikoden game I've ever sold and I think I must have had reason to do that. I think I just didn't like it.
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vilkacis posted:...If someone still hasn't got around to doing Tierkreis by the time I'm done with 1 and 2 (and that's not happening soon), I'm going to have to strongly consider it. Speaking of vilk and Suikoden LPs, weren't you planning on doing the first two games at some point? Because
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Dogwood Fleet posted:There have been very few cases where the voice acting is so off putting that I don't want to play a game, but this was one of them. Part of me wants to give it another shot, but it's the only Suikoden game I've ever sold and I think I must have had reason to do that. I think I just didn't like it. Waitwhatareyousaying that you don'tappreciateaprotagonistwhodoesn'tstoptobreathewhenspeaking!? Cripes, I'd rather listen to the Voice Acting in Shining Force 3 than hear that voice again. Also, I too throw my support behind a vilk and/or yokaiy Suikoden I&II The both of you have some fantastic styles with this.
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vilkacis posted:As long as you don't get hung up on "it's different so it sucks", Tierkreis is not the worst game in the series (unfriendly reminder that IV exists). It's not a good Suikoden game, but it's a decent enough RPG, if you treat it as a different, Outlaws-inspired game. But vilk, think of it! Between your sprite wizardry and yokaiy's art skills just imagine what the both of you could achieve working together!
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Bufuman posted:Speaking of vilk and Suikoden LPs, weren't you planning on doing the first two games at some point? Take another look at what you quoted  RareAcumen posted:But vilk, think of it! Between your sprite wizardry and yokaiy's art skills just imagine what the both of you could achieve working together! Imagine how much more time we'd have for sprites and art if we weren't actually LPing the game on top of that, though!
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vilkacis posted:Take another look at what you quoted  I am an idiot.
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vilkacis posted:Take another look at what you quoted  My god. Yokaiy shut it down, can the LP! Vilkacis is right, you're squandering your talents here!
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Is that the new "congratulations' gif? I approve.
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RareAcumen posted:
What, now?? I've come too far to stop.  (I need a version of this emote with a single tear.)Speaking of the first two games, though -- today is the 20th Anniversary of the series! Happy birthday, Suikoden! 
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Why "wrong game"? Happy birthday, Suikoden. May you endure for another 88 years.
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Bufuman posted:Why "wrong game"? Does that look like any of the main characters to you!?
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yokaiy posted:What, now?? I've come too far to stop. No it must be finished, for what is left to come is still one of the best parts of the series as a whole.
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They grow up so fast! It's just... sometimes, they don't get to keep growing 
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Girl, there are things worth dying for. But, and here's the crucial part, that's up to the people who are actually dying to decide. Not the people who are killing them. Luc's really fed you a line, hasn't he?
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Suikoden is one of my favorite series, in fact Suikoden V is the only game I've ever actually played twice in a row. I've never really understood the hate for Tierkries, Sure it's different and is missing some very important traditions like the continuity, but at its core its still entirely about the 108 stars of destiny and has some legitimately great characters and dare I say an enjoyable plot. In fact, I like it just as much as I like 2 and 3. The only major complaint I had about T was that it didnt do cooler things with the multiverse. Anyway, this LP is one of the reasons I caved and bought an account, so good luck with it. Also Vilk, I'm a fan, It was great fun rediscovering my love of 5 and giving 4 another chance through your LPs. Back to praying for Suikoden 6, complete with character quests for every star.
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