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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Yeah I donít really know if this is gonna be any good but itís only a remix album at least

I recently got into Brakence and he kicks rear end. Iíve gone full gen z

https://youtu.be/LYN-wYlG5-A

https://youtu.be/kT-EK_G0guA

https://youtu.be/J7DRyi54BA4

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Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


I have discovered over the past two weeks that I loving LOVE TWICE

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



Thom and the Heads posted:

I have discovered over the past two weeks that I loving LOVE TWICE

Getting into k-pop, I initially thought they were no different from the million other cutesy girl groups I didn't care about.

Then I heard Love Foolish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeFXRIJXYZo

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Never fully judge a group til you hear their b-sides imo

SgtScruffy
Dec 27, 2003

Babies.




Does anyone have a recommended "K-pop: A Primer" type article? Something that is more than just a playlist of the 30 songs to get a newbie into KPop, and explains a bit about the key songs and how they influenced each other?

Or is the whole point of K-pop "shut up you idiot this shits a BOP"

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


Vastakaiun posted:

Getting into k-pop, I initially thought they were no different from the million other cutesy girl groups I didn't care about.

Then I heard Love Foolish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeFXRIJXYZo

oh hell yes. i'm posting b-sides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt80per7teY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUS74hctjZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cUrOnaCDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssro0ddHe1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NY6kOB4VVU

Thom and the Heads fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Aug 11, 2020

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005


SgtScruffy posted:

Does anyone have a recommended "K-pop: A Primer" type article? Something that is more than just a playlist of the 30 songs to get a newbie into KPop, and explains a bit about the key songs and how they influenced each other?

Or is the whole point of K-pop "shut up you idiot this shits a BOP"
https://www.billboard.com/articles/...s-2010s-top-100

The write-ups don't focus too much on a historical perspective but it's a better survey of the last ten years than most generic playlists of popular songs.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Yeah that's a p good list in general.

One of these days I should just make a kpop thread or smth and put to use the ridiculous amount of information I have in my brain from listening to kpop and Korean music for well over half my life.

The quickest primer on kpop history is that popular Korean music was mostly trot and ballads until artists like Seo Taiji and the Boys and JYP showed up in the 90s with sounds inspired by American hip hop and pop music. From there you see the first generation of kpop as we know it today starting and really blowing up with the formations of SM Ent, JYP Ent and YG Ent. Lee Soo Man of SM in particular was the one who took a lesson from Motown and implemented the idol trainee system that basically every company uses to this day for its groups and soloists; as well as a rise in bringing over Western songwriters and producers to work on tracks. Then you get artists like BoA expanding Korean pop music into Japan and the rest of Asia (and even a brief stint in the US for BoA, though actively promoting her in three different countries at once was a bit much and they backed off on it pretty quickly to focus on Korea and Japan when she didn't blow up immediately) for the first time and opening up doors for everyone who followed her.

SM in general has kind of always been at the forefront of everything, though the Big Three (SM, JYP, YG) are all super influential in general. Both boy groups and girl groups as we know them today probably wouldn't exist if not for groups like Super Junior and Girls' Generation more or less setting and perfecting the mold for what to expect, though they weren't the first popular boy or girl groups in the industry.

Influential groups and soloists:

not rly idols:
Seo Taiji & the Boys
JYP

some big 1st gen names who inspired 2nd gen:
g.o.d.
H.O.T.
Fin.K.L
Rain
BoA (a queen who transcends generations and is still going 20 years strong)
Lee Hyori
Park Ji Yoon
Sechs Kies
Shinhwa
Chakra

some bigass 2nd gen names who inspired the 3rd gen:
Brown Eyed Girls (very unique for its time and still to this day. the group isn't really a product of a company in the way most idols are, they were brought together by the leader JeA herself and were all grown rear end women when they debuted other than Gain, who at 19 was still on the older side for typical debut in a group. BEG have also been heavily involved in their own songwriting and production from the beginning. BEG owns. They are also still kicking today and return for comebacks whenever they have the inspiration and time)
Super Junior
Girls' Generation
Shinee
TVXQ
f(x)
Wonder Girls
Big Bang
2NE1
4minute
KARA
Sistar
AOA
Lee Hi

Most of those groups have members who have had or still have very successful solo careers as well, either during their groups' heydey or after. Your Taeyeons and Taemins and Sunmis and HyunAs and GDragons and Park Boms and so on.

Then 3rd gen is your BTSes, your Twices, your Blackpinks. 1st and 2nd gen are really the ones you want to focus on if you're curious about the history of kpop itself and who laid the groundwork for what makes a kpop group today. Or even for who really kicked off expansion into the US. If it weren't for people like BoA, Rain, Wonder Girls, 2NE1, Psy/etc you wouldn't see groups like BTS or Blackpink having quite the success they do now in America. Though Blackpink is such a bizarre phenomenon for a group that mostly focuses on modeling for much of their career and only has like 14 songs to their name rn and prob woulda found a way to blow up anyway.

There's a lot of debate around whether or not the 4th gen has started yet, a lot of people would argue it has. But there isn't really a clear difference in sound or any real big shift in general, so people are always arguing about when it started if it has. I don't care enough to rly look into it b/c I'm an old who mostly listens to 1st and 2nd gen music and the stuff coming from the people who debuted back then and are still going today.

Worth noting that kpop as an industry isn't the same as American pop music w/r/t domestic reach. The idol side of popular Korean music (which most people use kpop to refer to) is pretty niche in the grand scheme of the Korean music industry overall, and had its most popular days with the general public during the rise and prime of the 2nd gen imo. Getting into what is and isn't different about just general pop music in Korea and idol pop music is a pain in the rear end but for example, IU wouldn't be considered an idol these days and is more just an incredibly well respected singer-songwriter (and a drat good actress these days, too). But she was definitely an idol at debut.

This post is already way longer than I thought it would be when I started, or I would post examples of influential songs and moments. That Billboard list is pretty good though and covers a wide range from a lot of the artists I mentioned, as well as others.

thx for coming to my ted talk

esperterra fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Aug 11, 2020

Deformed Church
May 12, 2012

bear-headed geese




I would post in a kpop thread, but in the meantime do you have any recommendations for groups with men and women? I've got pretty into KARD lately but they're basically the only one I've come across.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






There's not a lot of co-ed groups in general, at least not in the idol industry. Triple H and Trouble Maker come to mind and were p legit, and both involved HyunA. You'll find more co-ed acts in Korean hip hop and rap-- Uptown was huge in the 90s and super influential for the scene in general (and was also technically where Jessi debuted when she took on Yoon Mi-rae's role for an album), and Yoon Mi-rae's current group MFBTY.

Yoon Mi-rae btw is an icon and a legend and I wholly recommend her to anyone.

e: my stoned rear end completely forgot jessi had a bit of solo work before her album with uptown so she technically debuted before

esperterra fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Aug 11, 2020

SgtScruffy
Dec 27, 2003

Babies.




Hell yeah thanks for the writeup and the billboard link!

When Pigs Cry
Oct 23, 2012


Buglord

As someone whose knowledge of kpop doesn't go a whole lot deeper than what they'd play between commercials on esports lans in, like, 2012, I'd read a thread that isn't full of kpop weirdos.

Clazziquai fucks tho

Vastakaiun
Apr 16, 2008



I'd post in a k-pop thread because someone needs to rep the boy groups.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

MAMAMOO STAN





Dinosaur Gum

Clazziquai is a mixed group though they aren't considered kpop. One of the members, Alex, did an album full of ballads and RnB songs that a real easy listen for those into that stuff.

I hear a lot about BlackPink because I hear that they are popular. Can anyone recommend any good songs to listen to?

bovis
Jan 30, 2007





TV Zombie posted:

I hear a lot about BlackPink because I hear that they are popular. Can anyone recommend any good songs to listen to?

Blackpink are strange in that they only have something like 14 songs after being around for 4 years now so you could easily listen to all their songs pretty quickly haha.

Some good tracks are:
As If It's Your Last
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amq-qlqbjYA

DDU-DU DDU-DU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHNzOHi8sJs

Playing With Fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pdj4iJD08s

One of the lead vocals Jennie also released a solo track which is pretty much a BP song which is good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73BI9eUkjM

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


Also Dua Lipa colas with them and itís fire

https://youtu.be/AX3Bsiq-13k

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






I'll get a thread up by tmw since there seems to be enough interest.

bovis
Jan 30, 2007





Also want to rep Red Velvet since they're my favourite Kpop group and I don't know if I can really think of many weak songs in their catalogue. Their harmonies are so so good and they have amazing b-sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUqfSvBv7Og

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyuLudmE9lQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoQ4OAN7Pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnN8eho8WAg

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


bovis posted:

Also want to rep Red Velvet since they're my favourite Kpop group and I don't know if I can really think of many weak songs in their catalogue. Their harmonies are so so good and they have amazing b-sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUqfSvBv7Og

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyuLudmE9lQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoQ4OAN7Pc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnN8eho8WAg

Ice Cream cake was what got me into them

https://youtu.be/glXgSSOKlls

Great blend of pop and hip hop

When Pigs Cry
Oct 23, 2012


Buglord

Yeah, I thought about slapping an "even if they aren't strictly kpop" disclaimer on Clazzichat. Please take the Best Song as penance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD_LbLnzSDE (rip Sistar, this whole album slapped)

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






tbf a good handful of the groups on that Billboard list of 2010 kpop songs also aren't kpop so I feel like it is free reign to just recommend korean music in general

When Pigs Cry posted:

Yeah, I thought about slapping an "even if they aren't strictly kpop" disclaimer on Clazzichat. Please take the Best Song as penance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD_LbLnzSDE (rip Sistar, this whole album slapped)

smh that is not shake it or touch my body

that said this song loving slaps

god I miss Sistar.




hyolyn's second EP is out later this month tho so bless

Solomon Gumball
Jul 24, 2019


I just can't get into Kpop, there's something about a lot of the songs kind of meander off from Western pop, Jpop, and Cpop to wear it breaks the catchiness and once it gets back into the chorus or something, it's too late. Hard to convey, but I've noticed it a lot in Kpop.

Also I have no desire to go back to boy/idol bands, thank goodness idol culture is dying out in Japan. Besides the terrible fan/stan base, scandals, and general how hosed up they treat these groups that aren't at the very top discourages me to support it. Hopefully, they'll follow more in Japan's footsteps in the next few decades since that was the situation back when.

How's the indie scene in Korea? I don't want a group of plastic men and women dancing and singing like Nsync on steroids, I want genuine musicians or any kind of interesting scenes unique to Korea or Korean takes on different foreign genres. Anyone have any knowledge about any of those topics?

I'm going to throw two Japanese musicians in the mix, one was discovered by Nujabes and was in charge of his posthumous album since he called him a prodigy. His name is Kenmochi Hidefumi. He used to flamenco jazz stuff but now he's doing footwork and juke music which is interesting taking a Chicago genre and putting a Japanese influence on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16QF4Ir7ooM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af3b-xYOrnA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KR5AmcEEP4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSBOXcdeL0

The other is just starting and only has two EPs but does music popular in Southern Africa called Gqom. Her name is Xiangyu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-Sl_a8J7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYjacaLBLIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgBaHIAxev0

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



Itís not Korean but I very much like CHAI, a Japanese pop-punk group that seems to exist outside of the usual J-pop sphere (they were picked up by a lot of US music blogs and I get the feeling theyíre about as big here as they are in Japan). They did a Tiny Desk concert not too long before the world froze.


https://youtu.be/wn6PUktkNIs


https://youtu.be/2JbCDE6PHvU

screaden
Apr 8, 2009


For Korean this is my go to


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaNiHfXCp8A

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Quick and dirty thread is up!

The OPs will prob remain kpop focused but I made it more of a Korean music general b/c y'know what sometimes I just might wanna recommend a trot song or some khiphop okay

Solomon Gumball
Jul 24, 2019


A.G. Cook's 7G dropped recently...

i flunked out
Jun 21, 2009

Surfin PooSA


I honestly haven't listened to it, but from what I've heard its pretty good!


Dorian Electra rules:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1Of_OBUjw

somnambulist
Mar 27, 2006

quack quack





I donít really know what genre this album is, itís probably closer to EDM but it feels like a fun pop record to me so Iíll post it here-


https://open.spotify.com/album/2Tgh...6Sfa9K4Nh__Xk1A

BT- The Lost Art of Longing

Been a huge fan for years (my username is one of his songs) - id give it a listen.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCrxhRe2d2w

Carly made a pandemic song! it's very good, of course

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

I can't remember
what she came here for

I can't remember
much of anything
anymore




Shredded Hen

DC Murderverse posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCrxhRe2d2w

Carly made a pandemic song! it's very good, of course
Yeah it is!

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

RIP ZEEZ


Agreed, really hope she releases the full album too.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012


Carly just put up the two extra tracks from the Japanese release of emotion.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


New BlackPink with Selena is fire

https://youtu.be/vRXZj0DzXIA

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009





This sounds like it couldíve been a Lady Gaga song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH1RNk8954Q

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






Google tells me RedOne was a producer and writer on that song, so that checks out.

^burtle
Jul 17, 2001

God of Boomin'



i forgot how good Dangerous Woman is

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






^burtle posted:

i forgot how good Dangerous Woman is

The song or the whole album? Because yes and yes.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



that song was playing on the radio when I got in my car today, it is a very good song. That album also has my favorite Ariana song, so it is a very good album also.

Ariana Grande is very good.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






DC Murderverse posted:

that song was playing on the radio when I got in my car today, it is a very good song. That album also has my favorite Ariana song, so it is a very good album also.

Ariana Grande is very good.

what's your fave Ari song and why is it Into You?

oh wait that's mine

Greedy is hella close too

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DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



esperterra posted:

what's your fave Ari song and why is it Into You?

oh wait that's mine

Greedy is hella close too

no it's Into You, that song is outstanding. Breathin' is awful close though.

edit: every so often I remember Focus and what a boring song that was and how that could have been the first single of the era but it was so lame that they memoryholed it and made Dangerous Woman the actual first single. It didn't even have a real chorus!

edit2: whenever we get Ari's first greatest hits it's inevitably just gonna be banger after banger she's so good at making hits

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 9, 2020

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