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weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...





lol if you think anyone is reading a three post meltdown

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Paperback Writer
May 1, 2006



Dr. Luke stans...

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


Solomon Gumball posted:

She doesn't have to solely work with Luke and he's not her boss. Kobalt is her 'boss' if anything in the sense she chose to be an indie pop artist and sign with AWAL. She's worked with Cheat Codes and Kygo, she's not beholden or prisoner to Luke in any way.

The Kygo song actually included a credit for Luke.

None of us know the exact details of her contracts with him, so we don't know if she could choose to leave him if she wanted to. Kesha couldn't.

Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 8, 2020

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

What would make anyone think this is the right place to post rants against cancel culture

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?




The gently caress is wrong with you, yes Men also get abused and this should be less of a shameful subject, but the odds of a lady being abused are sadly higher.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Where are the mods? Or is going on a giant screed about how it's fine to hang out with known rapists (and continuing to say we don't know, it's his word vs her, etc which is an insanely cowardly way to defend the fucker) not against any rules?

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

but if the guy gets probed the hilarious posts stop!!!

Solomon Gumball
Jul 24, 2019


I'll see myself out, I posted facts. He isn't a known rapist either, the court will decide that, her injunction was already denied after first stating she wasn't raped. Her lawyers then claimed he raped Perry and she had to come out and say that never happened. She also talked trashed to Lady Gaga regarding Luke which the court also went against her. Her case continued to fall apart legally in court. I'm not stanning Dr. Luke. I'm against cancel culture with no evidence and calling someone guilty when they have yet to go through the justice system and deemed as such. It is relevant because Dr. Luke is actively being cancelled for non-verified claims while others get off scot-free and continue to churn out hits and make money.

It's far from a meltdown and I posted most of my stuff in the first post after editing it from my phone. The 2nd post makes a point she's on a "label" - Kobalt's Artists Without a Label (AWAL) that works completely differently than most pop artists that only really Allie X also works on. The third I posted the Wikipedia which gives facts on the case. I realize three posts in a row is too many but I hosed up on my phone. Sorry if the facts on Petras, Luke, Kesha, Perry, etc. don't equate to what you want to hear.

I think it's fairly accurate to say the charts are filled with abusers and bad people. You probably stan someone problematic in some way, that's how ridiculous it has gotten. I made my points that Petras is not a huge star at all and her chart positions. Even people that listen to music and claim they like pop have never heard of a lot of these artists. The pop and "alt-pop" landscape is incredibly vast. In real life, these people are not as big as they are in their bubbles on social media and streaming platforms on an algorithm catered to your listening habits. They don't chart, no radio airplay, they play small venues, and they open or are only features for bigger artists. I gave my facts. Music is a business, especially pop. Kim is on AWAL to avoid many of the pratfalls of the business and to own her masters and have more creative control. Her manager is Larry Rudolph, Kesha's manager was Dr. Luke. Petras is not in the situation that Kesha is in at all, it is of her free agency to work with Dr. Luke. Rudolph has flat out said Petras has complete creative control.

There were effort in those posts but you don't want to hear objectively printed truths and just think I defend Dr. Luke. I'm also against false claims of surprise sex against men and male abuse (which let's be honest, due to to toxic masculinity, the number of female-on-male abuse is probably higher. I'm not saying it's equal by any means, I just mean the number is probably under-represented as, anecdotally, myself and many male friends have let our (ex-)girlfriends abuse us without recourse in fear we'd be taken away in cuffs; we're split 51/49 gendered, the odds are abuse is happening heavily on both sides and men are more likely to suck it up or afraid to call the police thinking they'll be taken away since male-on-female abuse is more openly talked about; fortunately the overton window where speaking on female-on-male abuse is starting to shift and become acceptable).

There was no intelligent reply to my straight-up facts verifiable elsewhere. No wonder popheads get a bad wrap, no actual posts of substance aside the one that Luke was credited on the Kygo song (I didn't know that, thank you for letting me know), the rest did not acknowledge any of my legitimate points that had cold hard facts and links.

I wish those posts were not written off just because they were verbose as they contained no trolling and information pertinent to the discussion despite my opinion not being the favorable one, it still holds merit to me according to the current facts presented. In no way was I attempting to troll or defend Dr. Luke if he is found guilty. My posts weren't even read by the people calling it a meltdown for some reason, as if I care that much about her, Kesha, Luke, or anyone and felt like they were trolled upon which does break the rules set in the OP. Sorry long form discourse is not the appropriate manner to post in this thread.

Solomon Gumball fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 8, 2020

Lord Krangdar
Oct 23, 2007

These are the secrets of death we teach.


Vince MechMahon posted:

Where are the mods? Or is going on a giant screed about how it's fine to hang out with known rapists (and continuing to say we don't know, it's his word vs her, etc which is an insanely cowardly way to defend the fucker) not against any rules?

This response is actually cowardly.

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

RIP ZEEZ


I don't think it's cowardly to not want to entertain bad takes on sexual assault.

E: Nevermind, I don't think it will be useful.

foutre fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 9, 2020

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Lord Krangdar posted:

This response is actually cowardly.

How about you gently caress off?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

still my no.1






How about we just accept that some people are fine buying Kim Petras' music, and some people are not. The validity of Kesha's claims is not for us to debate, and afaik the case is still ongoing, so whoever wishes to continue to support the victim at this time can drat well make that choice if they please.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Jesus Christ this is a shitshow. I never check in on the pop thread because it's not a genre I listen to myself (please use the report button or PM me if some nonsense is occurring), but good gravy don't post multiple screeds over several days playing devil's advocate for accused monsters. If you simply must have a discussion about the credibility of surprise sex accusations and the likelihood of female-on-male abuse going unreported there are certainly better places to do it than here.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

So this is what the MRA sections on reddit turn people into

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



esperterra posted:

How about we just accept that some people are fine buying Kim Petras' music, and some people are not. The validity of Kesha's claims is not for us to debate, and afaik the case is still ongoing, so whoever wishes to continue to support the victim at this time can drat well make that choice if they please.

Yeah I think thereís a conversation to be had about peopleís individual reasons for continuing to listen to or not continuing to listen to artists who have done bad things. Literally one of the 5 or so most popular artists in the world from the past 50 years almost certainly had some sort of illicit contact with children, but for a lot of people, itís hard to stop listening to Billie Jean or Thriller or whatever because of a variety of reasons, many of which are personal and related to the core feelings we get when we listen to music, and especially pop music, which is designed to get people to love it.

But jumping in to defend them by saying ďwell maybe they didnít, huh?Ē is a poo poo look. If you want to listen to Ignition (Remix) or I Believe I Can Fly, you can talk about why that is but if youíd like to educate us on why being held as a sex-hostage is really a mutual decision you can go on Twitter and scream that into the void and leave us the gently caress alone. Same with Dr Luke. Just because what he did isnít in the same level doesnít mean itís any less serious. Iíll admit that Say So and Malibu are probably two of the 20 or so most listened to songs from 2020 in my music library, but I do so with the understanding that the guy is a piece of poo poo and I try my best to limit how much money my listens earn him. Everyone has their own limits.

Edit: also no one should regard the justice system as the end-all be-all of who is and isnít an abuser. R Kelly is a perfect example of that. In many, many cases the deck is stacked against women who are abused and assaulted, and itís very likely that the only reason that Keshaís case has gotten as far as it has is because of her fame. There are many women out there who are victims of abuse by the hands of men who will never see the inside of a courtroom and itís not a failing on their part or evidence that theyíre lying that they donít get justice.

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Oct 9, 2020

Solomon Gumball
Jul 24, 2019


You guys do realize that you are all posting on a verified abuser's website and paid him?

Anybody can allege anybody of anything, I can claim you all those lovely replies as trolling and abusive and there's some truth of that look at the rap sheets of a lot of the posters here, just a couple posts above the person has been probed being called toxic and is for pedophilia.

The legal system I have a lot more faith on than any forum or court of opinion from the lowest rated genre based thread on the subforum.

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weekly font
Dec 1, 2004


Everytime I try to fly I fall
Without my wings
I feel so small
Guess I need you baby...





Solomon Gumball posted:

You guys do realize that you are all posting on a verified abuser's website and paid him?

Anybody can allege anybody of anything, I can claim you all those lovely replies as trolling and abusive and there's some truth of that look at the rap sheets of a lot of the posters here, just a couple posts above the person has been probed being called toxic and is for pedophilia.

The legal system I have a lot more faith on than any forum or court of opinion from the lowest rated genre based thread on the subforum.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



the amount of times I've heard that new BTS song is insane, I feel like it's totally pervasive even if I don't listen to the radio. It's in commercials, it's playing wherever, it's just everywhere

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Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007
"If you put a hamburger in the toaster it'll say Happy Birthday."




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