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Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

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Countdown until Justin Timberlake drinks his own piss

# ? Jan 18, 2018 00:13

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 05:20

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

This is........................................not good :stonk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vnmgZLA8s

e: Wait was part of this filmed on the Blade Runner 2049 set? Hahaha what the gently caress

# ? Jan 19, 2018 00:12

Centusin: Aug 5, 2009

Lmao at the kid at the end telling me to die

# ? Jan 19, 2018 00:31

less laughter: May 7, 2012; Accelerock & Roll

Shaggy and Sting made a bop together and it is excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOaRPJQXFG4

# ? Jan 24, 2018 22:54

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

less laughter posted:

Shaggy and Sting made a bop together and it is excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOaRPJQXFG4

...Shaggy is still making music? In 2018? :psyboom:

# ? Jan 24, 2018 23:17

less laughter: May 7, 2012; Accelerock & Roll

And still as great as ever at it, as this single proves.

# ? Jan 24, 2018 23:19

LionArcher: Mar 29, 2010

Timberlake�s new song say something is going to be a mega smash hit. And supplies, (song, not video) is a club banger.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 18:39

bows1: May 16, 2004; Chill, whale, chill

Umm this video for JTs new song with Chris Stapleton rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPbR6Cbwi4

# ? Jan 25, 2018 18:56

LionArcher: Mar 29, 2010

bows1 posted:

Umm this video for JTs new song with Chris Stapleton rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPbR6Cbwi4

Yeah. It�s straight 🔥 🔥

# ? Jan 25, 2018 19:01

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

bows1 posted:

Umm this video for JTs new song with Chris Stapleton rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPbR6Cbwi4

yes omg yes

# ? Jan 25, 2018 19:19

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

This album's going to be a hell of a ride to listen start to finish huh

# ? Jan 25, 2018 20:03

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

Harrow posted:

This album's going to be a hell of a ride to listen start to finish huh

The term "tonal whiplash" comes to mind

# ? Jan 25, 2018 20:18

Escobarbarian: Jun 18, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Filthy grew on me and I�m so mad about this

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:38

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

I still don't like Supplies, but Filthy definitely grew on me and I like Say Something a lot already. I just have no idea how this all fits together into a coherent album, if it's supposed to at all.

# ? Jan 25, 2018 21:47

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

goddamn that is a fantastic song

# ? Jan 26, 2018 01:35

somnambulist: Mar 27, 2006; quack quack

Since the Gaga thread is locked, posting this here-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ll04Zzw5UM

This era wasn't everyones cup of tea, but she sounds HEAVENLY here. Really glad she redid the song, this song sounds WAY more authentic like this. It's beautiful.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 08:56

Escobarbarian: Jun 18, 2004; Grimey Drawer

I loving hate the original version of this song but this is really nice

# ? Jan 26, 2018 10:07

Sir Lemming: Jan 27, 2009; It's a piece of JUNK!

I assume Chris Stapleton will make an appearance at the Superbowl, because that seems like a solidly guaranteed lighters-in-the-air moment. Or at least like, doing the wave while fireworks go off.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 13:48

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

I am not a country music person but Chris has a fantastic voice.

# ? Jan 26, 2018 15:35

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Grammys are on now, Pop-heads!

# ? Jan 29, 2018 01:41

MrSargent: Dec 23, 2003; Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's Jimmy T.

Came here to say gently caress Ed Sheeran. That is all.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:03

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

MrSargent posted:

Came here to say gently caress Ed Sheeran. That is all.

way ahead of you:

DC Murderverse posted:

yelling gently caress ED SHEERAN at my TV as loud as i can

Also Shaggy has a new song out and that makes me confused but happy

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:05

somnambulist: Mar 27, 2006; quack quack

Ed Sheeran literally did not attend the Grammys because he felt like Divide was not nominated in enough categories, meanwhile he wins for Shape of You which is literally a Cheap Thrills by Sia knock off and SHE WAS NEVER NOMINATED FOR IT.

The Grammys can eat all the dicks, ANY of the other nominees deserved both awards WAY more. Ed Sheeran is the worst.

I love how the presenters say �he couldn�t be with us tonight� .... * insert fakenews.jpg *

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:27

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

somnambulist posted:

Ed Sheeran literally did not attend the Grammys because he felt like Divide was not nominated in enough categories, meanwhile he wins for Shape of You which is literally a Cheap Thrills by Sia knock off and SHE WAS NEVER NOMINATED FOR IT.

The Grammys can eat all the dicks, ANY of the other nominees deserved both awards WAY more. Ed Sheeran is the worst.

I love how the presenters say �he couldn�t be with us tonight� .... * insert fakenews.jpg *

it's OK because Kesha is going to sing Praying and kill it onstage and every single voter will in unison stand up and say "GIVE HER THE AWARD!" and they'll take it away from him and give it to her like god intended

because gently caress Ed Sheeran

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:31

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

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shape of you isnt even good

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:34

Josh Lyman: May 24, 2009

As someone who doesn't really listen to lyrics, both Cheap Thrills and Shape of You are super good pop songs.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:43

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

kesha is amazing and deserves to be the biggest rock star in teh world

that performance was raw and powerful and we should get together to kick that rear end in a top hat that hurt her out of the country

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:43

teacup: Dec 20, 2006; = M I L K E R S =

DC Murderverse posted:

kesha is amazing and deserves to be the biggest rock star in teh world

that performance was raw and powerful and we should get together to kick that rear end in a top hat that hurt her out of the country

I don�t want to like #notallmen her because regardless it�s super hosed her record contract wasn�t allowed to be broken but wasn�t he like never found guilty? I get that it�s hard to prove which is a difficult issue anyway but it feels a bit like one of those stupid arguments people use about �trial by media!!� But in real life.

Anyway it�s a good song

# ? Jan 29, 2018 03:55

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

teacup posted:

I don�t want to like #notallmen her because regardless it�s super hosed her record contract wasn�t allowed to be broken but wasn�t he like never found guilty? I get that it�s hard to prove which is a difficult issue anyway but it feels a bit like one of those stupid arguments people use about �trial by media!!� But in real life.

Anyway it�s a good song

just because someone wasn't found guilty in a court of law doesn't mean they didn't do it. we have to use the information we as a public are given to discern if we want to support someone. see also: Dylan Farrow and Woody Allen.

edit: or perhaps more obviously, OJ Simpson

edit 2: Here is a very good article about the relationship between Kesha and Dr. Luke:

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The main reason that the conflict between Kesha and Dr. Luke feels both so unbalanced (the people are seemingly on Kesha�s side, the court on Dr. Luke�s) and obscure (we wonder how anyone is arguing that an artist should work under the name of her alleged abuser, and why this conflict has been worked out in this protracted, ugly way) is that Dr. Luke, real name Lucasz Gottwald, enjoys a shroud of secrecy on his work that Kesha has never and does not. In the 12 years since he co-wrote �Since U Been Gone� with Max Martin, Dr. Luke has become the closest thing radio pop has to a magic bullet; he�s built up a large, unreleased roster of hit-making songwriters and producers on his label Kemosabe Records and publishing imprint Prescription Songs; he has also barely done any press whatsoever, and so functions within the pop industry like a non-fraudulent Wizard of Oz.

To be so, so incredibly successful in pop music and have almost nothing about your private life publicly known�it�s fascinating; a producer like Dr. Luke lives an inversion of the lives of the artists he produces. And so the very few times he�s sat for a journalist�for a 2010 Billboard story by Chris Willman, and for the New Yorker�s John Seabrook in what would become both a magazine story and part of Seabrook�s 2015 The Song Machine�have been extremely fascinating, even before the Kesha allegations.

Dr. Luke is a meticulous, obsessive, punishing technician (as you�d expect, and as he should be), a fact that bears out in both the praise he gets from his collaborators and the allegations put forward about his abusive tendencies, as well as even in the little side details�like the fact that he owns a rave toilet. From the New Yorker:

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With �Wrecking Ball,� for example, Gottwald wasn�t sure it was a smash, and he wagered against it, telling Cyrus he would buy her a Numi toilet like his, the ultimate in potty technology (it has a Bluetooth receiver that can stream music from a smartphone), if he was wrong. Cyrus told me, �Contrary to what he thinks, Dr. Luke isn�t always right. I bet him that �Wrecking Ball� would go to No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and it did. Now he has to buy me a ten-thousand-dollar toilet. I�ll be thinking of him every time I go.�

That piece was published in October 2013, just a month after Kesha superfan Rebecca Pimmel put a �Free Kesha� petition online, echoing the singer�s statements that she lost creative control of her second album Warrior (statements that are corroborated by all accounts, including Seabrook�s, of the album�s production). In the Billboard story, Dr. Luke talks about why he�s particularly obsessive about a second record:

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Like with Katy [Perry], she�s now had two records, and I believe if you can get those both right, you�re a career artist. If you can make huge first and second records, if you have a third record that sucks, you can still do a fourth record, no problem. And you have enough material out there that you can tour for as long as you want. But one record? No. You need two. I feel like that�s someone�s career. As opposed to an established artist who just expects it, I do feel it�s more exciting to make a difference in somebody�s life. So I want to do everything I can to make sure that works.

Kesha�s lawsuit would later allege a host of offenses much more serious than being musically controlling (�sexual assault and battery, sexual harassment, gender violence, civil harassment, unfair business, and intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress�); she filed that lawsuit a year after the New Yorker piece was published, in October 2014.

Seabrook alludes to the conflict between Kesha and Dr. Luke in the original piece, but only lightly, and in language couched in the producer�s perspective:

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He signed Kesha (whose full name is Kesha Rose Sebert) as both a writer and an artist in 2005, when she was eighteen, and helped establish her with the hits �Right Round� and �Tik Tok.� But now that her pop-star dreams had come true she was proving hard to control.

Kesha, it�s worth noting, also helped establish him, particularly as a label head: she was the first signing and an early bold name for Kemosabe Records, a label financed to the amount of $60 million by Sony and controlled by Dr. Luke, a partnership that came with the condition that Dr. Luke produce exclusively Sony artists for five years. She is still the most famous artist signed to that label, and her moneymaking potential gets more important as Dr. Luke gets further into a bit of a personal lull: the last big radio hits he worked on were Maroon 5's �Sugar� and Becky G�s �Shower.�

In other words, Dr. Luke and Kesha�s relationship is more symbiotic than it�s been portrayed�it�s not a matter, purely, of her needing him to make money for both of them, as the New York court and many others seem to believe. In late 2008, Kesha gave Dr. Luke the plaintively unhinged hook for �Right Round,� which functioned as her debut, too. From The Song Machine:

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Kesha�s contribution to �Right Round� was the single most memorable detail in the song, and it launched her into superstardom. However, Dr. Luke didn�t give her a songwriting credit, so she earned nothing from the smash. It was around this time that she changed the �s� in her name to �$.�

At this point, Kesha, according to Seabrook�s reporting, was �living out of two cars.� Dr. Luke sent Kool Kojak to look for her during the �Right Round� sessions; Kojak found her in effectively a flophouse in Echo Park, at which point she came to the studio, nailed the song, and didn�t get a cut.

That, however, was already three years after Dr. Luke and Kesha had started working together. He found her demo in 2005, noticing her �bravado and chutzpah.� She was a �high-school senior in Nashville, a good student with excellent SATs who was planning to attend college the following year.� Dr. Luke persuaded her to drop out, sign to his production company Kasz Money and his publishing company Prescription Songs, and also, to come to L.A. and live in his house.

That�s when Kesha alleges this started happening:

At some point within her early time in L.A., writes Seabrook in The Song Machine, Kesha was introduced to manager David Sonenberg, who had �bad blood with Gottwald� (Gottwald had turned down an offer to be managed by Sonenberg back when he was recording as an artist himself).

Sonenberg, whose company later stated in a legal filing that Kesha was talking about Dr. Luke�s abusive behavior as early as 2005, examined Kesha�s contracts with Kasz Money, and reportedly told her and her mother, �This contract is worse than the one Lou Pearlman made with the Backstreet Boys.� Then Sonenberg managed to get Kesha out of her contract with Kasz Money, but failed to get her the deal with Warner Bros. he was trying to get on his own; after waiting around for Sonenberg, Kesha signed with Dr. Luke again at some point before �Right Round� in 2008.

That, in itself, is a lot of conflict from purely a business angle; you can imagine Kesha, barely out of high school, weighing her desire to be successful with her desire to get away from him, and the former winning in the end. It gets exponentially more contentious when you consider Kesha�s story that Dr. Luke�s alleged sexual aggression, via the lawsuit, ramped up:

When this lawsuit came out in October 2014, Dr Luke countersued her for defamation and breach of contract, pointing out that when David Sonenberg had sued Kesha and her mother (which he did after Kesha had gone back to Dr. Luke), the two of them stated in a deposition that the rumors about Dr. Luke drugging and raping artists (alleged, in this case, by Sonenberg) were not true. John Seabrook writes:

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Perhaps, as Kesha and Pebe [Kesha�s mother] maintained, Luke had forced them to lie under oath then. But Dr. Luke�s camp doesn�t see it that way.

Seabrook then closes the Kesha section�and the recounting of the severely disturbing, Phil Spector-ish mess�with a paragraph that outpaces both the book�s epigraph from Iggy Azalea�s �Fancy� and its first-page inclusion of the phrase, literally, �thumpa thooka whompa whomp Pish pish pish Thumpah whompah whompah pah pah pah Maaakaka thomp peep bap boony Gunga gung gung,� in terms of dubiousness:

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An associate of the hit maker�s argues: Wouldn�t a young girl�s mother, on hearing her daughter had been drugged and raped by her boss, immediately call the police?

Yes, maybe, unless that boss was Dr. Luke.

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Why would she wait eight years to file charges, a period during which she and her daughter signed a publishing deal with Dr. Luke�s company and signed with Dr. Luke as an artist?

Because, maybe, look at all the good filing charges ever did anyone.

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And, he points out, why would the only remedy they seek be in a civil lawsuit for termination of Kesha�s contract�surely they should be pressing for a criminal prosecution if the charges were true.

That�s a very stupid and distinctly male thought to deploy as the final note of a piece of reporting on a pop star alleging sexual abuse against the most powerful pop producer in America. If Kesha�s team can�t even get her off Kemosabe in the civil suit, they sure as gently caress wouldn�t have been able to get a criminal verdict against Dr. Luke.

The more successful a pop artist, songwriter or producer becomes, the more likely that he or she will at some point have been connected to Dr. Luke (particularly via the 50+ people signed to Prescription Songs). RX, for example, has joint publishing deals with both Diplo�s Mad Decent and also Big Machine, whose label arm includes Taylor Swift. This is surely at least part of the reason why artist responses have been vague in general and relatively nonexistent from Sony artists in particular. As far as I can tell, Kelly Clarkson so far is the only major Sony artist who�s said anything, and in the most couched of terms:

https://twitter.com/kelly_clarkson/status/700804809499271168

By Seabrook�s account in The Song Machine, Clarkson is another artist who found herself in creative conflict with male label heads over a sophomore album, which she (like Kesha) had wanted to take in a rock direction; the men at the label wanted her to stay pop. She also, reportedly, wrote the (perfect) bridge of the (perfect) song �Since U Been Gone,� the pop-rock compromise that took her to #1 and a Grammy, and�like Kesha on �Right Round��Clarkson didn�t get a cut.

Seabrook recounts Clive Davis�s memory of Clarkson breaking down in tears at a sales meeting. �I didn�t like working with Max Martin and Dr. Luke, and I don�t like the end product. I really want both songs [�Behind These Hazel Eyes� and �Since U Been Gone�] off my album,� Davis recalls her saying, before bursting into �hysterical sobbing.� Clarkson disputes this account to Seabrook. �But there could be no disputing that �Since U Been Gone� made Clarkson a superstar,� he writes.

That�s the point everyone seems to be making, and on an amoral level it�s certainly true: you can debate whether pop�s favorite producer raped his young prot�g�, you can debate whether or not she should be contractually obligated to make as much money as possible for herself, for him and for Sony. But money, on the other hand, is never debated. �Sometimes you have to do things in people�s best interests and they don�t even know it, and maybe they�ll figure it out later and thank you, and maybe they won�t,� Dr. Luke told Billboard. �Most likely they won�t.�

DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jan 29, 2018

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:02

DC Murderverse: Nov 10, 2016; "Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

I love Bruno Mars, but maybe not this much.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 04:36

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

MrSargent posted:

Came here to say gently caress Ed Sheeran. That is all.

Can this be the new thread title?

# ? Jan 29, 2018 15:35

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Some youtuber once described Ed Sheeran as "listening to acne" and that's all I ever think about when his songs come on the radio.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 15:46

QuickbreathFinisher: Sep 28, 2008; by reading this post you have agreed to form a gay socialist micronation.
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He looks like someone mapped Sean Astin's face onto the crazy frog ringtone mascot

Let's give ugly men in music a chance 2k18

# ? Jan 29, 2018 20:22

Wheat Loaf: Feb 13, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

He reminds me of Mick Hucknall, who was never cool.

# ? Jan 30, 2018 15:01

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

Yesssssss

https://twitter.com/CHVRCHES/status/958354201859387394

# ? Jan 30, 2018 17:41

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

First single out!

CHVRCHES-Get Out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHUKKrcXfJs

# ? Feb 1, 2018 02:39

exquisite tea: Apr 21, 2007; Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."

Sounds like a continuation of Every Open Eye, i.e. good fistpump music for the gym.

# ? Feb 1, 2018 18:26

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Yeah it definitely has that same, more poppy sound going for it like Every Open Eye. I love it so much

# ? Feb 2, 2018 00:04

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status/959078920304910336?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E0

CHVRCHES and Grimes

# ? Feb 2, 2018 01:44

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# ? Apr 24, 2024 05:20

Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

https://twitter.com/pitchfork/status/959078920304910336?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E0

CHVRCHES and Grimes

https://twitter.com/featnoahcyrus/status/951605559194734594

# ? Feb 2, 2018 01:48

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