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Baron von Eevl
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Neo Rasa posted:

Clive Owen plays Dwight McCarthy in the first Sin City. Josh Brolin is listed as Dwight McCarthy in this sequel, but Clive Owen is in the movie also, is this right? In the comics Dwight is physically destroyed and shot up by Manute, goes through some major surgery and returns as the same guy but with his hair grown out, did they decide this warranted two different actors?

Well, in Sin City there's a line from Clive Owen about having a 'new face.'

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Throwdown posted:

Blown up with a bazooka. I think it is a perfect example of Marvel Knights.

Edit: Watching some controversial movies tonight, went from Punisher War Zone to Watchmen. I like Watchmen as well, it may be a half rear end representation of the original comic but it is a fantastic parody of comic book movies.

I get that Watchmen the film is a commentary (or at least works as one) of modern superhero movies, much the way the book deconstructed the idea of the then-contemporary superhero book. My problems with the movie are three-fold. 1) It is not nearly as intelligent or deep of a commentary as the book. 2) The book is incredibly enjoyable on a number of levels, including technical artistry (shape repetition, compositional repetition, overlapping themes) and I did not feel the same from the movie. 3) There were some incredibly poor decisions made from a directorial standpoint.

I will elaborate on that last one. Many of the casting choices were inspired. Night Owl 2, Carla Gugino's young Silk Spectre 1, and Jackie Earl Haley's hosed up face all work very well. Jackie Earl Haley's performance however was insane. He screamed nearly every line in a crazy gravely voice where Rorschach was, in the book, emotionally detached when speaking, using simple and almost technical language. "[beans are] fine cold." "You quit." etc. The decision to put Carla Gugino in old-person makeup and have her crazy overact in the 'present' sections of the film was also bizarre. The casting for Silk Spectre 2 and Ozymandias was strange. The focus on slow-motion bone breaking during fight sequences. The entirety of the soundtrack after the opening credits sequence.

I get how things like Rorschach's Balesque growl and the focus on torture porn during fights work as a commentary of genre movies today. My issue isn't with that. My issue is that these don't work at all outside of the context of commentary. They exist solely to criticize specific films and not to help or further Watchmen in any way. If you want to criticize films, be a film critic. Don't direct a large-budget adaptation of one of the most important English-language works of the last century.

McSpanky posted:

I agree, and I think the solution was already done quite elegantly. They should do it Watchmen-style and have an action-filled credits sequence that summarizes the lesser-known characters' origins and abilities, and sets up the general state of the world where the story picks up.

While I'm rambling about Watchmen, I'd like to clarify something. I really liked how they worked in so much of the supplementary material during that opening, and I think the soundtrack worked perfectly for that. I also had no issue with them removing the psychic vagina monster from the end and instead make it a blame-Dr.-Manhattan plot. I thought that change was for the best considering the constraints of the medium and how people react differently to ideas presented on film rather than on paper. Audiences would have been rightly confused and bewildered by a giant psychic vagina monster suddenly appearing in their superhero movie. It would have been a disaster. Of course, this removes the Comedian's motivation for drunkenly visiting Moloch in the middle of the night, but that's a minor plot hole.

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I was getting kind of an Edward R. Murrow vibe from his performance. I can't really figure out how that could possibly factor in to his character, but there it is.

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computer parts posted:

I'm just sort of at a loss to imagine what it's trying to be.

Seriously, Edward R. Murrow.

http://youtu.be/anNEJJYLU8M

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Rhyno posted:

I know this, but the studio was against it because of his past.

I feel like his past was one of the biggest reasons I was interested in seeing him play Stark in the first place. He's Hollywood's favorite drug addict playing comicdom's favorite drunk.

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TetsuoTW posted:

Just a heads-up, it is in fact possible to depict an evil Chinese man without making him a cartoonish, racist stereotype.

I bet if they made a character named The Mandarin actually Chinese and had him be a supervillain, China would actually blacklist all of Marvel/Disney's movies for the year.

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penismightier posted:

Naw, I don't think so. She didn't get much to work with but she took her small thankless part and made it memorable and fun. Contributes to the general levity and slice-of-life quality that makes Thor the second best of all the Marvel films.

I think I agree with you. I actually thought the weakest part of Thor was Portman. Kat Dennings was in a pretty miserable role and made the best of it, Natalie Portman was in a more sizable role and went absolutely nowhere with it.

I've realized recently that more often than not you get the kind of performance out of Portman that you have in the Star Wars prequels and not Black Swan. I'm not sure if it's that she doesn't care about most projects, she's incredibly limited in what she can do or if she just needs a really strong director.

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Skwirl posted:

I don't really follow the comics, but my understanding is that when Billy Batson (a 10 year old boy) says the magic word "Shazam" he becomes Captain Marvel, which stands for "Wisdom of Solomon, strength of Hercules, something something something of Zeus something something" For trademark reasons DC can't publish a comic titled Captain Marvel because a layman consumer might mistake it for a product of Marvel comics (an understandable argument on face value, though I neither know enough about the history of the comic nor really care enough to know if it's valid). So the comic book Shazam (and given that Marvel is also an animation and film studio, likely any future cartoons and movies) is about the character Captain Marvel, who's basically Superman with a tiny cape and the alter-ego of a ten year old instead of a reporter. I don't think they were ever different characters, unless DC has just given u[p the ghost completely and is calling the character Shazam, which would be awkward, since any time he says his own name he'll turn into an 10 year old boy.

So how does the Shaq vehicle Kazaam factor in to this? I feel like it has to connect somehow.

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I got the impression that he doesn't accept the offer and that little ambush in the garden is them surprise injecting him with the mortality serum or whatever. He didn't travel to Japan to become mortal, he travels because some crazy rich dude but a lot of effort into finding him and is promising a 'gift' and he doesn't exactly have anything else going on with his life at that moment.

Hollis posted:

made in 2006 which was 9 years ago.

Good math there.

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And you left out Incredible Hulk.

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

I don't give a poo poo about how tall Dinklage is or why it's an issue at all when the REAL topic should be the bitching 'stache he's rocking for the movie.

I mean,



drat.

Should have had Dinklage play the titular role in the new Anchorman and not made any mention of the fact that he's now 3 feet shorter than in the last movie.

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And before anyone points out that Wolverine and Magneto are not American characters, Hugh is not Canadian and McKellen is not German.

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H. Jon Benjamin or nobody.

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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

How mad were you about the black Viking in Thor?

I'm not a fan of Full House so don't really want her as scarlet witch. It sucks Kat Dennings already has a marvel role because she would be believable as a crazyeyed magician with daddy issues. Plus she has black hair!

You're really turned off by this because the actress' sisters were on a show you didn't care for 20 years ago?

Edit: I'm not a fan of Bosom Buddies so I don't see why I should want this Colin Hanks fellow to play a role.

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Tender Bender posted:

Yeah, knowing nothing about Hellraiser all I could think was that you guys are describing Dr. House: Exorcist.

Hellraiser and Hellblazer are two very different franchises.

Of course, Hugh Laurie might make a good cenobite.

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I thought Watchmen had a few really bizarre choices. The soundtrack was distractingly on-the-nose, to the point of actually loving using Sounds Of Silence during the funeral scene. I thought some of the casting choices were good or even inspired. I liked the choices for the Comedian, Dan, Osterman and I liked Carla Gugino as the younger Sally Jupiter.

I think he only cast Jackie Earle Haley as Rorschach because he has a strikingly similar face to the drawing of the character in the book. I don't think it's necessarily the best idea to cast an actor simply for looking like an illustration when the character is going to be wearing a full-face mask for 90% of the movie. The actor they used for Veidt was also distractingly bad in the role and Malin Akerman was pretty much unwatchable.

I guess overall a lot of the choices he made seemed to be kind of slavish to the source material, but only in really superficial ways. It was like he looked at the pages and decided he had to translate the images perfectly to film and never took things like words, tone or any kind of deeper meaning into account.

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I guess I just thought it was weird to have somebody who is emotionally dead, at least outwardly, do a worse growlvoice than Bale.

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This is going to be wonderful. A terrible Batman movie! The '90s really are coming back in style!

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The MSJ posted:

New Cap 2 pics:



I know everyone's been tearing the new costume apart, but I just want to say how much better it is than the Avenger's costume in every conceivable way.

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Seriously, anyone that hates on Ringo needs to listen to the drum parts on 'She Said She Said' or 'Ticket to Ride.' No other human being on Earth would have come up with drums parts like that.

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scary ghost dog posted:

Or the medley at the end of Abbey Road.

The best part of his drum solo in The End is that they totally tricked him into doing it. They told him he would be playing a full song and to do a lot of fills, then just edited the fills together.

Also it sounds like somebody falling down a flight of stairs.

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LividLiquid posted:

Good god, man. It was a metaphor. Ringo's SONGS were anything but uninteresting. Ringo's LIFE was anything but uninteresting. And nobody said Ringo was untalented. Ringo Starr is an English treasure.

The metaphor is that Ringo would've made the Beatles worse if he tried to be Neil Pert or John Bonham. He didn't. So we got the Beatles that we got, which were great.

If Whedon tried to make the Chitauri into a band-dominating drummer, the movie would've been worse.

Edit: Just to be clearer, Starr let the rest of the band breathe. He gave them space. He didn't make them conform to his whims. He was uninteresting as a drummer so the rest of the band could go nuts. He had the capability to go apeshit and didn't, because the rest of the band needed the room. The Chitauri were Ringo. They let the rest of the movie breathe.

Clearer now?

Edit 2, 'cause you can never be to clear when arguing about art: it takes real talent to know when to back off, like Ringo did, and like Joss did with the Chitauri. I'm calling them both talented for understanding when to let it be.

Also Ringo hated playing flashy things. The rest of the band would always egg him on. It's not that Ringo made a sacrifice to give the rest of the band room, he just wanted to sit there and read his comic books and paperback novels and occasionally play a beat. The rest of the band are the ones who wanted him to do interesting fills, take drum solos and sing songs.

Baron von Eevl
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For anyone wanting to make up their own minds:

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McSpanky posted:

Considering how much money Fox has sunk into it, that's about appropriate though. If it doesn't return The Biggest Ever Superhero Movie Box Office Take someone's gonna be in deep poo poo. Probably "it's time to ditch Singer and reboot everything Amazing-Spider-Man style" poo poo, at the least.

I think it's going to be a terrible, unrelenting mess but it's also probably going to turn a decent profit. People loving eat these movies up no matter how bad they are (they are pretty much all awful) and it would need some seriously bad word of mouth and reviews to even begin to jeopardize that.

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I never really got how, in the cartoon, Splinter was like a human AND a rat combined into one creature, where the turtles were just loving turtles mutated into a humanoid form. I think the live action movie improved it by having him be a pet rat belonging to Shredder's teacher who is freed and mutated when his teacher is killed.

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bobkatt013 posted:

Blackhawk? There will be 10 main characters at the most in Avengers 2. In the new X-men there are at least 20ish.

Yeah, Empire just did 25 character posters for DoFP. Granted, 2 of those are Wolverine, 2 are Sentinels and one is for Rogue who was cut from the final version, but that's still 21 characters they're willing to put on magazine covers.

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Fishylungs posted:

I would be surprised myself, simply because either Marvel or Disney are going to be acquainted with the idea of over saturation. You could probably pull off 3 if you make one an Avengers, but I don't think 4 is feasible. I'm loving all this Marvel movie stuff and I KNOW I wouldn't see 4 movies a year.

OK that's a bit of a lie, but there's a point where the novelty of it all wears off. I'm amped for Cap 2, I'm amped for Guardians, but if you're suddenly tossing me choices, I'm not going to go see say, Shang-chi or Cloak & Dagger if I can see a movie staring Iron Fist and Black Panther.

I don't care how many movies they're putting out in a year or even at the same time, if there's a Fin Fang Foom movie I'm there day 1.

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jscolon2.0 posted:



Little Infographic of how the Marvel character rights are right now.

So wait, Lionsgate has the rights to Man Thing and they're not doing anything with that?

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AlternateAccount posted:

This CG is really realistic.



Man, Guardians of the Galaxy is looking awesome!

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Barry Convex posted:

Thor got a lot right - the characterizations of Thor/Loki/Odin, the visual design of Asgard, a romance that mostly works (though I know not everyone here will agree on that), managing not to overdo the fish-out-of-water comedy despite the premise - but the SHIELD stuff never feels like it belongs in the same movie, and the scale of the whole film feels oddly small and cheap given its $150 million budget and premise.

I agree and I think that's why I liked the second one so much more. The first one really feels like the showdown takes place in a town that consists of one street, about 3 blocks long.

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Vintersorg posted:

Im not even sure what the hell is going on in that picture. The cop is shooting something at the 3 in the back and Quicksilver is running around the walls. But why? Magneto and Wolverine are looking off, not concerned about the guy shooting. And Professor X is wondering what the gently caress Quicksilver is doing there.

I can't wait for this pile of poo poo to hit and see some justifications why this is the best loving thing ever.

Logan knows if he gets shot he'll just heal right up, Magneto knows that he can stop the bullets, Xavier is scared as poo poo of getting shot in the spine again.

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Or his use of Operation Code Kansas to try and make black men's dicks shrink!

edit: On the other hand, history has also failed to honor his skills with nunchucks so maybe that's a wash.

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I was under the impression that Fox had the rights to "Quicksilver" and "Scarlet Witch" and Marvel had the rights to "Pietro Maximoff" and "Wanda Maximoff," despite how counter-intuitive that is. Also I know Marvel isn't allowed to mention Magneto as their father or use the word "mutant" to describe them.

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soapgish posted:

Feminine.




Historically, sewing and garment creation are a female endeavor. I understand that revisionist history and insanely ascribing new meanings to things are all the rage today, but that's less "great" of her than it is glib and antagonistic.

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We know what the word "feminine" means, you tool. The issue is more that he's saying sewing is a woman's job. Yes, I get that historically in European society women did more of the sewing around the house than men. Women did more of the everything around the house than men, because historically women were in the house a lot more than men. Doesn't mean cooking, sewing, changing a baby or doing the dishes is a feminine or girly thing you contrary twit.

edit: gently caress, my great-grandfather and my uncle Mike were tailors in the first half of the 20th century, and they were drat good tailors. They had to do a whole fuckton of sewing and they did it well.

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Surlaw posted:

Soapgish that's dumb because there's a huge number of male tailors and there's nothing intrinsically female about it in any way. She had every right to give him a hard time over it.

He should have said being able to Do Whatever a Spider Can means he can weave sick clothing easily.

Let's just be glad they didn't show him producing his own fibers.

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I like the guy in the comments DEMANDING that Emma Stone play MJ in ASM3. His argument is that "hey, Chris Evans was Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four movies, and now is Captain America!"

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wyoming posted:

I too would like to see a film that explores the psychology of a man that falls for a woman that looks exactly like the girlfriend he killed.
Not sure if Spider-man should be that film though.

So Vertigo?

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I still don't understand how they made Jason Momoa so uninteresting and flat in Conan. Dude owned the screen on GoT.

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