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Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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HorseRenoir posted:

I love how you can tell the exact spot where the mapmaker was like "okay, gently caress this".

When they decided to make the U.P. a Lovecraftian appendage to Wisconsin?

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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting


Fallen Rib

We've just had out federal elections in Australia 7 days ago (still no definite result) and this is a good map which just got updated. The Rise of The Greens.



The inner east are the richer areas; west, north and outer east are industrial areas, the outer west are new suburbs that didn't exist 30 years ago. With the eastern side of the city divided into North and South of the Yarra River.

For comparison: Google election map, which has electorate boundaries and results - https://election.google.com.au/?cen....148691&zoom=11

drunkill fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jul 9, 2016

MaxNV
Jan 3, 2011





I'm American Vancouver Island.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




drunkill posted:

We've just had out federal elections in Australia 7 days ago (still no definite result) and this is a good map which just got updated. The Rise of The Greens.



The inner east are the richer areas; west, north and outer east are industrial areas, the outer west are new suburbs that didn't exist 30 years ago. With the eastern side of the city divided into North and South of the Yarra River.

For comparison: Google election map, which has electorate boundaries and results - https://election.google.com.au/?cen....148691&zoom=11

FIRST preference.

Oh yeah I forgot, y'all have a voting system that doesn't single-handedly make the electorate hate life. Neat.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Sir Unimaginative posted:

FIRST preference.

Oh yeah I forgot, y'all have a voting system that doesn't single-handedly make the electorate hate life. Neat.

Yeah in Australia it's everything else about living there that makes them hate life.

OptimusShr
Mar 1, 2008




Rhode Island. Notably large state to the Northeast of Massachusetts.

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



fishmech posted:

Yeah in Australia it's everything else about living there that makes them hate life.

This may be the wrong thread to start that discussion, but why so much resentment for life in Australia? Every time it gets mentioned on these forums someone claims it's hell on Earth.

Perhaps someone can reply with a map.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous


Mygna
Sep 12, 2011


mcustic posted:

This may be the wrong thread to start that discussion, but why so much resentment for life in Australia? Every time it gets mentioned on these forums someone claims it's hell on Earth.

Perhaps someone can reply with a map.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED




There should probably be a separate category for Brazil and Australia.

The wildlife is out to kill you, the heat is unbearable, Tony Abbott was Prime Minister for an amount of time larger than zero, Julia Gillard's treatment was deplorable, they put refugees in concentration camps.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



mcustic posted:

This may be the wrong thread to start that discussion, but why so much resentment for life in Australia? Every time it gets mentioned on these forums someone claims it's hell on Earth.

Perhaps someone can reply with a map.



percentage of white people in Australia

Seriously though, as a Canadian who lived there for four years: Australians are (in general) racist, sexist pieces of crap who think the world loves them because Crocodile Dundee was popular and think it's ok to literally run concentration camps for refugees because that means there's less brown people coming to their utopia.

Also it's too hot.

My (Australian) husband and I left there after four years and came back to Canada. He loves it here, thinks the people in Canada are way friendlier than in Australia, less dickheads, etc. He has no plans on moving back, and can't wait to get his Canadian citizenship so he can stop telling people he's Australian. As for me, yeah, I hated Australia. When I called someone out once for complaining about immigrants once I got told "no not you, you're the right kind of immigrant" then when I corrected them and said "I think you mean the white kind" he went "yes exactly"

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




If it's hell on earth full of nasty white people then I'm sure the refugees won't mind not being able to live there.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Yes, I'm sure that people literally fleeing death would rather not live around the most awful white people and stay at home and die instead.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous


Phlegmish posted:

If it's hell on earth full of nasty white people then I'm sure the refugees won't mind not being able to live there.

Do you really like the taste of your own foot that much? I mean, you put it in your mouth half the time you post...

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

HookShot posted:

who think the world loves them because Crocodile Dundee was popular

to be fair most of the world does seem to love them

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011




HookShot posted:

Yes, I'm sure that people literally fleeing death would rather not live around the most awful white people and stay at home and die instead.

While it's true that they're not overprivileged white expats with the luxury of choice, I would still think Australia, being located halfway across the world, is not the only potential destination.

I'm simply trying to understand the logic of outright declaring a society and a people to be 'awful' while in the same post indicating that people are risking their lives to get there. It's curious. Are people moving for the climate?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

I thought it was mostly people from Southeast Asia that go to Australia.

I've never been to the place myself but I get the sense HookShot is being a bit melodramatic though

Freudian
Mar 23, 2011

God Can't Hate Forever



The dangerous wildlife is mostly rural or suburban, whereas immigrants tend to move to cities; and your neighbours being rear end in a top hat Trumpalikes is presumably better than starving to death.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED



To be fair the Australian government has undertaken multiple advertisement campaigns to deter refugees so I guess there's some synergy there.

I'm sure if people could just go to Canada instead they would.

Like, I guess Australia could go full Mad Max, that would certainly solve the refugee issue.

Kassad
Nov 11, 2005

It's about time.


Phlegmish posted:

While it's true that they're not overprivileged white expats with the luxury of choice, I would still think Australia, being located halfway across the world, is not the only potential destination.

You might have heard about those mythical flying machines called "planes" that can carry people great distances in a few hours.

Also: "halfway around the world" is still closer to Australia than England ever was.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting


Fallen Rib

The majority of recent refugees to Australia come from Iraq & Afghanistan after we blew up all their homes. Syria and Iran are high up on the list too due to war or facing political imprisonment. Burma comes in at #5 just slightly ahead of Egypt, Fiji, 'African countries' Pakistan & India.

Australia is a great place, yes there are racists, I mean, we gave the world Rupert Murdoch and he still controls the press here. Most (rational) people are against locking people up in concentration camps overseas for trying to come here. Sadly the two major parties support it so there isn't much of an alternative, although as the gif showed, the Greens (who oppose offshore detention) are rising in popularity.

As for everyone saying it is literally unlivable and you'll die, well that comes from people who have never been here and only see the stuff on tv which is rural or only a small (population wise) part of the country. It's like if the only American media the rest of the world saw was based out of Florida and the bayous of Louisiana, throw in some wild Alaskan bear maulings and that makes a good comparison. Most people live in cities, much like America or Europe. It's just a bit hotter than other places part of the year. Also it's just the poor (actual refugees) we lock up, people who fly here and overstay their visa generally get away with it for quite some time.

You can read a bit about our lovely refugee policies and find out other information here: http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au

drunkill fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 9, 2016

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

drunkill posted:

Most people live in cities, much like America or Europe.

America could learn a hell of a lot from Australian cities.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

drunkill posted:

The majority of recent refugees to Australia come from Iraq & Afghanistan after we blew up all their homes. Syria and Iran are high up on the list too due to war or facing political imprisonment. Burma comes in at #5 just slightly ahead of Egypt, Fiji, 'African countries' Pakistan & India.

Australia is a great place, yes there are racists, I mean, we gave the world Rupert Murdoch and he still controls the press here. Most (rational) people are against locking people up in concentration camps overseas for trying to come here. Sadly the two major parties support it so there isn't much of an alternative, although as the gif showed, the Greens (who oppose offshore detention) are rising in popularity.

As for everyone saying it is literally unlivable and you'll die, well that comes from people who have never been here and only see the stuff on tv which is rural or only a small (population wise) part of the country. It's like if the only American media the rest of the world saw was based out of Florida and the bayous of Louisiana, throw in some wild Alaskan bear maulings and that makes a good comparison. Most people live in cities, much like America or Europe. It's just a bit hotter than other places part of the year. Also it's just the poor (actual refugees) we lock up, people who fly here and overstay their visa generally get away with it for quite some time.

You can read a bit about our lovely refugee policies and find out other information here: http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au

Literally 99% of your mini-continent is uninhabitable


Golbez posted:

America could learn a hell of a lot from Australian cities.

Mostly, what not to do. Australian cities make Phoenix look like a model of dense design.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

Perfect


drunkill posted:

The majority of recent refugees to Australia come from Iraq & Afghanistan after we blew up all their homes. Syria and Iran are high up on the list too due to war or facing political imprisonment. Burma comes in at #5 just slightly ahead of Egypt, Fiji, 'African countries' Pakistan & India.

Australia is a great place, yes there are racists, I mean, we gave the world Rupert Murdoch and he still controls the press here. Most (rational) people are against locking people up in concentration camps overseas for trying to come here. Sadly the two major parties support it so there isn't much of an alternative, although as the gif showed, the Greens (who oppose offshore detention) are rising in popularity.

As for everyone saying it is literally unlivable and you'll die, well that comes from people who have never been here and only see the stuff on tv which is rural or only a small (population wise) part of the country. It's like if the only American media the rest of the world saw was based out of Florida and the bayous of Louisiana, throw in some wild Alaskan bear maulings and that makes a good comparison. Most people live in cities, much like America or Europe. It's just a bit hotter than other places part of the year. Also it's just the poor (actual refugees) we lock up, people who fly here and overstay their visa generally get away with it for quite some time.

You can read a bit about our lovely refugee policies and find out other information here: http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au

America does get portrayed in a crazy light in other countries, I had a visiting scholar bring body armor when he moved to Ann Arbor because of all the Detroit ruin porn.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Australia is the popular stereotype of Americans made real. Including the creationism stuff.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

fishmech posted:

Mostly, what not to do. Australian cities make Phoenix look like a model of dense design.

I may be biased because I never left the CBDs of Sydney and Melbourne, but the multi-use density and transit options alone placed them far, far above Phoenix.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

HookShot posted:

Yes, I'm sure that people literally fleeing death would rather not live around the most awful white people and stay at home and die instead.

lol, im sure that telling the awful, evil white people how awful and evil they are for not tolerating other ethnicities around them hard enough has nothing to do with charging their racial resentment with an additional ideological dimension.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Golbez posted:

I may be biased because I never left the CBDs of Sydney and Melbourne, but the multi-use density and transit options alone placed them far, far above Phoenix.

Well, considering as the CBDs of both cities are about a square mile at most, while each "city" easily covers easily 750+ square miles for the recognizably urbanized areas... yeah you've really not got a good idea of what the cities actually are like outside the most expensive inner parts.

Seriously, Australia has a very bad habit of turning into low density, rather non multi-use, sprawl within a mile from the CBDs, which aren't very big in the first place. Transit options for most Australians in the city are actually quite lovely compared to similarly sized cities in the US, let alone Europe. And the current property bubble interests don't seem to be in favor of redeveloping things to be denser, which would allow for fixing that sort of stuff.

For perspective, the city of Los Angeles on its own, within about 500 square miles of land, has nearly as many people as the entire Sydney metro area, which extends over 4750 square miles or so. And Los Angeles is hardly a model of high density design in most of it!

fishmech fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jul 9, 2016

Lord Wexia
Sep 27, 2005

Boo zombie apocalypse.
Hooray beer!


Anyone know what's going on with France here?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I just pretend to be nice.


Lipstick Apathy

french guiana?

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008





Koramei posted:

french guiana?

I don't think guianese are that bad.

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

Doesn't the thought of an evil emperor who commands using the power of alchemy excite you?



steinrokkan posted:

lol, im sure that telling the awful, evil white people how awful and evil they are for not tolerating other ethnicities around them hard enough has nothing to do with charging their racial resentment with an additional ideological dimension.

lol keep on going, i'm sure that if you keep on whining to us uppity unreasonable POC about identity politics, we'll eventually come around to the glorious class revolution instead of concluding that white leftists are shits who shouldn't be trusted anyway

no really i love all these salty rear end white leftists wringing their hands about identity politics, who've looped around all the other way to embrace white identity

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CovfefeCatCafe
Apr 11, 2006

A fresh attitude
brewed daily!


Lord Wexia posted:

Anyone know what's going on with France here?

Parisians are quite venomous with their attitudes towards tourists and foreigners and anyone who speaks French without a Parisian accent.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008



fishmech posted:

Well, considering as the CBDs of both cities are about a square mile at most, while each "city" easily covers easily 750+ square miles for the recognizably urbanized areas... yeah you've really not got a good idea of what the cities actually are like outside the most expensive inner parts.

Seriously, Australia has a very bad habit of turning into low density, rather non multi-use, sprawl within a mile from the CBDs, which aren't very big in the first place. Transit options for most Australians in the city are actually quite lovely compared to similarly sized cities in the US, let alone Europe. And the current property bubble interests don't seem to be in favor of redeveloping things to be denser, which would allow for fixing that sort of stuff.

For perspective, the city of Los Angeles on its own, within about 500 square miles of land, has nearly as many people as the entire Sydney metro area, which extends over 4750 square miles or so. And Los Angeles is hardly a model of high density design in most of it!

Los Angeles is also the second densest metropolitan area in America and is not at all representative of the experience of Americans in general. This impulse to tear down Australia is really bizarre and not at all called for. Australia is a beautiful country with a wealth of natural splendor, a high quality of life and cities that routinely score as world class by objective metrics, in addition to being diverse and international. The Mercer Quality of Living Survey, which ranks cities based on political, economic, environmental, personal safety, health, education, transportation and other public service factors, gives four Australian cities scores higher than any city in America.

The frequent recitation of all the venomous species found in Australia is a bizarre symptom of just how little most people know about the country. The fact is that the most deadly animals in Australia are horses, cows, and domestic dogs. The emphasis on snakes, spiders, and crocodiles, which manage to kill fewer Australians than loving bees, just goes to show how many people know nothing more than what they've been told by Steve Irwin.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich


Golbez posted:

I may be biased because I never left the CBDs of Sydney and Melbourne, but the multi-use density and transit options alone placed them far, far above Phoenix.

this is because australia as a commonwealth country has less of a hardon for local planning autonomy which leads to the disaster that is most american downtowns

on the other hand they've still done most of their urban expansion in the context of an automobile owning society which is what leads to endless sprawl. canada has the same problem outside of toronto/quebec/vancouver

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx


I was about to say "lol, someone forgot to color in Madagascar" but I learned something interesting:

http://www.wildmadagascar.org/wildlife/snakes.html

quote:

Madagascar is home to more than 80 species of snakes, none of which are overtly dangerous to humans. The island has no adders, cobras, mambas, pythons, or vipers— only boas and colubrids. The only terrestrial venomous snakes in Madagascar are rear-fanged, capable of inflicting a painful bite but unlikely to do much harm unless they are able to chew on an appendage (allowing venom to be injected and causing swelling and possible paralysis). In the ocean there are two non-aggressive, but highly venomous sea snakes: the hook-nosed sea snake (Enhydrina schistosa) and the yellow-bellied sea snake (Pelamis platurus). What this all means is you have very little to fear when walking through the bush of Madagascar.

The presence of boas in Madagascar is somewhat remarkable given that their closest relatives are found in the South Pacific and the Amazon Basin. Boas are constrictors that strangle their prey.
Madagascar does not have murderous snakes everywhere like you'd expect. Well I'll be.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009



Awww. Even Finland has like, one poisonous snake.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

BENIS


DarkCrawler posted:

Awww. Even Finland has like, one poisonous snake.

No it doesn't. It has one venomous snake.

e: But it's not very deadly nowadays.

quote:

Suomessa kyy puree vuosittain noin sataa ihmistä. Puremaan ei kuitenkaan tiettävästi ole kuollut ketään yli kahteenkymmeneen vuoteen.

So in the past twenty years, around 2000 people have been bitten but no-one has died.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames


Salad Prong

Squalid posted:

Los Angeles is also the second densest metropolitan area in America

But it's not a very dense city. It's unusual in that the metropolitan area keeps up the density far more compared to the city itself then is typical, which is why its metro is quite dense, but the city isn't. It's quite well known for most of its residences being single family housing on wide-rear end roads.


Squalid posted:

which ranks cities based on political, economic, environmental, personal safety, health, education, transportation and other public service factors, gives four Australian cities scores higher than any city in America.

Not letting every wacko with a death fetish own guns, and having a universal health care system are the primary reason for Australian cities being boosted on there - and the opposite being true in America greatly drags down US city scores. The "urban" planning in Australia is still absolutely awful, and public transport remains rather dreadful for the most part unless you're close in.

For example, 710% of Australians commute to work by private car. The American amount? 76%. And a large part of the reason the Aussie rate is as low as that is simply because the population is even more urbanized, so there isn't a bunch of country population dragging car usage upwards.

Another interesting factor: the Australian city with the highest public transport usage for commuting is Sydney, with just 26% of the region's commuters using public transit. That's well behind many European cities, and of course behind, say New York City where somewhere between 40% and 50% of the workers in the urbanized areas (the closest point of comparison to the values available from Australia) commute by public transit. The result of this is that while the average usage of public transport is a higher than the US average, even their best metro areas perform a lot worse than a lot of major American metro areas. Again to say nothing in comparison to European countries.

tl;dr australia is a sprawled out hellhole smeared across the outside rim of the mini-continent

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Eskaton
Aug 13, 2014


fishmech posted:

Not letting every wacko with a death fetish own guns, and having a universal health care system are the primary reason for Australian cities being boosted on there - and the opposite being true in America greatly drags down US city scores.

Yeah, uh, let's not toot America's horn there. We've hosed our inner cities in many more actually significant ways than the 2nd amendment. Like holy poo poo. Somehow Billings is a lot safer than Chicago for reasons outside of gun ownership rates

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