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I feel like it was SA where this happened (or, more likely, “happened”). British expat wanted to try American PB&J but was so used to buttering sandwiches that they started slathering on a layer on butter, then pb, to the shock of the crowd
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:True southern cornbread is dense and tasteless and made in a cast iron pan and requires butter and honey. Fun fact! This breaks down very heavily along racial lines, with black southern cooks using sugar and white southern cooks avoiding it. The split seems to date to the early 20th century, when cornmeal production shifted to mechanized mills and the corn used in the process shifted from sweeter white corn to the earthier yellow corn.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 20:23 |
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Tree Goat posted:I feel like it was SA where this happened (or, more likely, “happened”). British expat wanted to try American PB&J but was so used to buttering sandwiches that they started slathering on a layer on butter, then pb, to the shock of the crowd This is a debate I've had in Danish workplaces at breakfast: butter under jam/Nutella or not? It extends to lunch, with liver pate too. The right answer is either no butter or the superior Nutella+chocolate, optionally with peanut butter on top.
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Tree Goat posted:I feel like it was SA where this happened (or, more likely, “happened”). British expat wanted to try American PB&J but was so used to buttering sandwiches that they started slathering on a layer on butter, then pb, to the shock of the crowd I never put butter on my bread. I feel like this was more common among my parents' generation, although I don't think they do it anymore (so might actually even be a post-war habit).
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 21:02 |
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My grandma considered margarine an abomination when I was a kid
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 21:35 |
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Ras Het posted:My grandma considered margarine an abomination when I was a kid My grandma and her friends would go to Sweden to buy butter because it was hell of cheap there. IDK why, I bet I could learn the reason from Kirjeitä myllystäni
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Translation by 111mitch, nobaraotome, & usrnimhome posted:1. According to a (the) survey, the cross section running from east to west was completed first. This panorama is a drawing of what the Kowloon City District might have looked like at its liveliest. We used remnants from every day life in addition to written documents and oral testimonies to develop it. When you look at the entirety of Kowloon City District, vibrant with various lifestyles, you'll see the form of a city rich with possibilities.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 22:29 |
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Phlegmish posted:I never put butter on my bread. I feel like this was more common among my parents' generation, although I don't think they do it anymore (so might actually even be a post-war habit). I did it for my entire life because I assumed it was just sorta a thing you do, until I stopped a few months ago and I honestly can't even tell the difference 95% of the time. I don't have particularly discerning tastebuds but still.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 22:31 |
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BonHair posted:This is a debate I've had in Danish workplaces at breakfast: butter under jam/Nutella or not? It extends to lunch, with liver pate too. Nutella+chocolate seems unnecessary.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 22:40 |
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It makes a difference on toast, but if there's anything there other than butter, it might not be noticeable. And I think a lot of that may just be butter as a salt-delivery device, plus it's nice to have the wetness of melted butter on dry toast.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 22:44 |
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Phlegmish posted:I never put butter on my bread. I feel like this was more common among my parents' generation, although I don't think they do it anymore (so might actually even be a post-war habit). My grandparents and parents did it and I picked up the habit until I discovered one day that none of my friends had butter at their house. I think butter works really well with eg cheese. Otherwise it's kind of dry to just have cheese on bread. It's not necessary for some stuff like salami though. Conversely, my grandfather would slather butter on bread before slathering on the nutella. It's way too greasy but it's my kind of comfort food every now and then.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 23:52 |
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It's actually good to use margarine once in a while because by law they're required to add vitamins A and D to it here and it might otherwise be hard to get enough vitamin D from other foodstuffs (your skin can generate it if you live in a sunny enough place but that's not the case in winter if you're at high enough latitudes.)
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Carbon dioxide posted:It's actually good to use margarine once in a while because by law they're required to add vitamins A and D to it here and it might otherwise be hard to get enough vitamin D from other foodstuffs (your skin can generate it if you live in a sunny enough place but that's not the case in winter if you're at high enough latitudes.) We got D in the milk, as God and I will it.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 00:11 |
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Interesting stuff. The walled city was quite the thing. I wonder if there's anything comparable in the world today.
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Groke posted:Family lines die out all the time, though. Here in Norway we have really high-quality census data from 1801/1802 (much treasured by genealogists); turns out the modern population is descended from something like 25% of everyone who lived here back then. The rest of the family lines just kind of petered out in the meantime. Far enough in the future, you’re either an ancestor of everyone or an ancestor of no one.
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Quorum posted:Fun fact! This breaks down very heavily along racial lines, with black southern cooks using sugar and white southern cooks avoiding it. The split seems to date to the early 20th century, when cornmeal production shifted to mechanized mills and the corn used in the process shifted from sweeter white corn to the earthier yellow corn. This actually is a really fun fact, thank you. Ras Het posted:My grandma considered margarine an abomination when I was a kid Your grandmother was a wise woman. In this map blue regions are majority salted butter, orange unsalted butter and the number what percentage of the majority type of butter.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 04:06 |
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I lived a Winter broke and without heat in my apartment some years back and a big thick slice of toast slathered with melty butter is the greatest and most enjoyable affordable luxury. George Orwell's "tea and two slices".
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 04:43 |
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Fat? Not good! Why would you salt your food? Just eat it straight up you baby.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 05:01 |
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Intriguing reddit find:
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Ras Het posted:Intriguing reddit find: Really makes me wonder what they mean by "normal" conservatism, that presumably isn't religious or nationalist.
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VictualSquid posted:Really makes me wonder what they mean by "normal" conservatism, that presumably isn't religious or nationalist.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 12:30 |
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Secular Kemalist (CHP) vs Hardline Ultra-Nationalist (MHP)?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just pure authoritarianism, no attachment to any ideology or religion. That's not what conservatism is though, and authoritarianism can overlay most political ideologies.
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Ras Het posted:Intriguing reddit find: Proposed changes on the russian map. Green: this parts of russia will turn into grasslands before 2023 Blue: land that will be underwater permanently or semipermantly Red: permanent volcano/lava wasteland, gifted to the colacola company and communist communities Yellow: surface covered in concrete to attract skateboard turists
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I lived a Winter broke and without heat in my apartment some years back and a big thick slice of toast slathered with melty butter is the greatest and most enjoyable affordable luxury. George Orwell's "tea and two slices". Looking forward to your novel, Down and Out in
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I lived a Winter broke and without heat in my apartment some years back and a big thick slice of toast slathered with melty butter is the greatest and most enjoyable affordable luxury. George Orwell's "tea and two slices".
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 13:27 |
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Count Roland posted:That's not what conservatism is though, and authoritarianism can overlay most political ideologies. I am also curious as to the difference between normal conservatism and Ottomanism in a Turkish context, or why nationalist 'conservatism' is conservative at all when it represented a radical break with the past not that long ago. However, while I would question the distribution, I don't think the map (legend) is completely useless, it does illustrate the reasons behind Erdogan's success, as his ideology is a careful balance between and blend of all three types.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 13:29 |
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Erdogans's conservatism has always been very much postured against the conservatism of the Republicans / military. And he only pivoted towards MHP style ethno-Turkish nationalism and neo-Ottoman revisionism after his original islamist conservative alliance started to wane in power, and it was a sign of weakness. Prior to getting his lunch eaten by Kurdish nationalists in his usual strongholds, he was the great Satan the MHP hated above anybody else. He can't be said to blend the three strands as they actually exist in Turkey, and definitely not that this blend is what got him to power.
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steinrokkan posted:Erdogans's conservatism has always been very much postured against the conservatism of the Republicans / military. And he only pivoted towards MHP style ethno-Turkish nationalism and neo-Ottoman revisionism after his original islamist conservative alliance started to wane in power, and it was a sign of weakness. Prior to getting his lunch eaten by Kurdish nationalists in his usual strongholds, he was the great Satan the MHP hated above anybody else. He can't be said to blend the three strands as they actually exist in Turkey, and definitely not that this blend is what got him to power. Hmm. Pedantic, but I'll allow it. I am aware of all of these things. I say he does blend elements of all three, just that there are limits to that combination, since their full-blown versions are inherently mutually contradictory. He can't 100% play the nationalist card the way his enemies do, since that would weaken his Islamist and 'Ottomanist' credentials, and so on. And regardless of whether or not it was a sign of weakness, the fact that he pivoted the way he did means that he recognizes the appeal of all three.
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The point is, he initially didn't have Ottomanist or ethno-Nationalist tendencies, quite to the contrary, and that is what actually allowed him to become powerful in the first place.
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So, what is Ottomanism, and how does it differ? I know Erdogan poses with dudes in ancient armour and seems to see the former territory of the Empire with a certain rapacity. Are there downsides? The empire was *the* Caliphate for centuries-- is Ottomanism inherently religious? The empire was multi-ethnic-- is this a problem for Turkish nationalists? Or is it a sort of low risk play to harken to the old days of glory and empire?
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Soviet Commubot posted:In this map blue regions are majority salted butter, orange unsalted butter and the number what percentage of the majority type of butter. Interesting how it is strongest in Bretagne. Yet another crime against humanity we can blame on the Brits. Also very disappointed at Alsace-Lorraine, they should know better.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 14:51 |
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Brits out of Bretagne, give the land back to the OG Gauls
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Count Roland posted:So, what is Ottomanism, and how does it differ? Ottomanism - Everyone gets to play a part regardless of religion, the Islamism - Muslims get to play a bigger part regardless of ethnicity. Nationalist - Ethnic Turks get to play a bigger part regardless of religion.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 15:12 |
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Neo-Ottoman politics usually refer to the doctrine of becoming a regional power with a sphere of influence, not to actually restoring Ottoman institutions, and ideas like recognition of the multi-ethnic nature of the current Turkish state tend to be rejected by the people who subscribe to it. Islamism also isn't mostly about the role of Muslims, but about the degree of secularism enforced on society. It's a question what the authors of that map meant by nationalism, but I suppose it refers to exclusionary Turkish ethno-nationalists and their closely linked allies pan-Turkists. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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How many non-Muslim Turks are there?
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 15:24 |
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Count Roland posted:That's not what conservatism is though, and authoritarianism can overlay most political ideologies.
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Badger of Basra posted:How many non-Muslim Turks are there? Probably around 10-15%, mostly atheist. It’s hard to know exactly because the state just assigns your religion at birth according to your parents’ religion.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Conservatism is just defering judgement to some authority in the past. If you’re a Generic Conservative, clearly you just want someone, anyone, to tell you what to do since you can’t even be bothered to pick a specific past. drat not sure if that's better or worse
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[no, now that I think about it, I was wrong]
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