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True Greenlanders live in the air. Nice India.
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Greenland doesn't actually exist it's a ruse created by the Basques to keep people away from their whaling grounds.
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Oct 30, 2020 22:19
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FreudianSlippers posted:Greenland doesn't actually exist it's a ruse created by the Basques to keep people away from their whaling grounds.
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Oct 30, 2020 22:24
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What's the deal with north eastern Germany?
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Oct 30, 2020 22:30
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BonHair posted:What's the deal with north eastern Germany?
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Oct 30, 2020 22:42
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This is the most *thread* map yet posted, its perfect.
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Oct 30, 2020 22:54
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I love this.
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Oct 30, 2020 22:55
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Certainly any former colonies of the Empire of Brazil are honorary parts of Latin America??
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Oct 30, 2020 23:17
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Linguist neutral, cartographer rebel was essentially the theoretical geopolitical “justification” for the initial concept of Latin America in the nineteenth century.
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King Hong Kong posted:Linguist neutral, cartographer rebel was essentially the theoretical geopolitical “justification” for the initial concept of Latin America in the nineteenth century. I don't think that that's true
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I don't think that that's true It is. The term was invented by France during their "let's invade Mexico" period to refute the Monroe doctrine and justify having Latin America exist in its sphere of influence rather than the US'. The politics of the time meant you needed som great power behind you why not France a fellow inheritor of rome rather tham these dastardly anglos? Thats why its latin america instead of hispanic america or ibero america. BIG FLUFFY DOG fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:It is. The term was invented by France during their "let's invade Mexico" period to refute the Monroe doctrine and justify having Latin America exist in its sphere of influence rather than the US'. The politics of the time meant you needed som great power behind you why not France a fellow inheritor of rome rather tham these dastardly anglos? Thats why its latin america instead of hispanic america or ibero america. The phrase was coined in spanish by a chilean.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The phrase was coined in spanish by a chilean. The term itself, yes, but the concept of a “Latin” basis in the form of a race or nation was a French invention in the 1830s that got exported by emigres. E: See Michel Gobat, “The Invention of Latin America,” which argues for an anti-imperial, American consolidation of the idea in 1856 but acknowledges that the idea (as I said correctly, the concept, rather than the term) essentially originated in France. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 02:12
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That sounds like an insane claim, but also the sort of ridiculous thing that France would pull to concoct a floral justification for expanding their empire. Just like their attempt to annex Quebec and the payments they supposedly demanded for the benefits of colonization from places that they were forced to decolonize.
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Oct 31, 2020 02:24
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But where is Greek America? Was that Alaska?
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Oct 31, 2020 05:33
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CommonShore posted:But where is Greek America? Was that Alaska? Maine
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Oct 31, 2020 05:39
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Is time we start to talk about Latin Asia. - Filipinas - The spanish isle of Guam - Portuguese colony Japan?
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Oct 31, 2020 08:39
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The Philippines have a lot of Spanish influence, but the language itself is only spoken by like half a percent of Filipinos today.
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Oct 31, 2020 08:51
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Tei posted:Is time we start to talk about Latin Asia. Macau
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Oct 31, 2020 09:37
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New Caledonia, French Polynesia, East Timor, at least. Throw in Vietnam while you’re at it
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Oct 31, 2020 10:01
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Tei posted:Is time we start to talk about Latin Asia. If you're going to count Japan you also need to count Sri Lanka and definitely Goa. Or I suppose by the logic of counting all of Japan, just throw all of India in there, and Pakistan for good measure.
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Huh somehow I thought Formosa was under Portuguese administration for a bit but I mistook them for the dutch. Spanish for a tiny bit though!
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When Formosa was colonised by the Dutch the Netherlands were still claimed by Spain, so I say throw them (and all of their pre-1648 colonies at the very least) onto the Latin pile too
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Oct 31, 2020 11:05
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Wait it's all Latin? Always has been.
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Oct 31, 2020 11:21
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Something Awful is part of Latin America; an American website using Latin script.
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Oct 31, 2020 11:33
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Latin Africa
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King Hong Kong posted:The term itself, yes, but the concept of a “Latin” basis in the form of a race or nation was a French invention in the 1830s that got exported by emigres. Not taking sides in this, but don't forget the Latin Monetary Union at around the same time
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It’s not really debatable that the concept originally came from France and there was meant to draw a connection to “Latin Europe” except to that poster who is mistaken. The debate in the historiography is whether the concept had an imperialistic function or not. My take is that in France, it did, although in the late 1850s it had an anti-US dimension within the Americas.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:41
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I'm not sure I'd quite count the Dutch traders in Deijima as a full on colony
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It was mostly a Portuguese (then Dutch) containment zone rather than colony, yeah.
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HardDiskD posted:Latin Africa Guinea Equatorial, el rapero Pepito Polo nos cuenta sus tristezas de amor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT7VTmtPvAY
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Like 90% of the Portuguese speaking people I know are Black and from the colonies.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Like 90% of the Portuguese speaking people I know are Black and from the colonies. In a weird way how white supremacists sometimes view Japan as an "honorary white" nation, I've anecdotally heard and read that some Africans consider Portuguese people to be "honorary black". I recall reading a post-colonial novel set in 1960s DR Congo where the main character (a black doctor) wryly remarks that the Portuguese were just as hosed up as the Belgians, but at least the Portuguese allowed black people to clap back and negotiate/argue on an equal footing.
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 Not pictured: Acapulco e: Also pictured: Coastal Erivan Zedhe Khoja fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Pope Hilarius II posted:In a weird way how white supremacists sometimes view Japan as an "honorary white" nation, I've anecdotally heard and read that some Africans consider Portuguese people to be "honorary black". I recall reading a post-colonial novel set in 1960s DR Congo where the main character (a black doctor) wryly remarks that the Portuguese were just as hosed up as the Belgians, but at least the Portuguese allowed black people to clap back and negotiate/argue on an equal footing. The thing is that Iberians, and to a lesser extent the French, were less averse to 'race mixing' than Northern European colonizers. So while there is not much difference in terms of atrocities and exploitation, not every colony had the same level of segregation, and segregation stings, paradoxically perhaps even more than some of the more violent actions. It's deeply humiliating for obvious reasons. I've always read that Belgian Congo was also pretty bad in this regard after the takeover by the Belgian state. Portugal is one of the few European countries that actually had a significant amount of slaves in the home country as well. I'd have to look up the studies, but I'm pretty sure that ethnic Portuguese have quite a bit of SSA blood in them.
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I thought France had a similar mestizo/mullado/quadroon/octoroon/splatoon racial hierarchy to what Spain did for its colonies. At least that's what I've heard about Haiti. I don't know what they were like in Africa and Asia. I know on mainland America the French were supposedly a lot more lax, but I think that's more just the fact that those colonies were way less profitable. More profitable colonies seem to get more rigid authoritarian enforcement. And there was a significant amount of intermingling between british and natives in America, but I'm not really sure how prevalent it was. I've heard that there were times when colonists abandoning their colonies to run off and join the indians was a real big problem. Of course the chance of a mixed identity forming was crushed between forced removals, blood quantum laws, and even some Jim Crow. But that's not really the result of British colonization policies.
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SlothfulCobra posted:And there was a significant amount of intermingling between british and natives in America, but I'm not really sure how prevalent it was. I've heard that there were times when colonists abandoning their colonies to run off and join the indians was a real big problem. Of course the chance of a mixed identity forming was crushed between forced removals, blood quantum laws, and even some Jim Crow. But that's not really the result of British colonization policies. I recall they had to make some kind of specific rule in the Virginia racism laws that 1/32nd or less native blood was OK, because otherwise the presence of Pocahontas would have rendered huge swaths of the gentry as legally Not White, and what's the point of the law then?
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No European colonial power really had the ability to enforce laws against miscegenation prior to the 19th century. This was true for the French and Spanish, as well as northern Europeans like the Dutch. The Cape Coloureds are the obvious example, and while I don't think mixed Anglo-Indians really became a defined group before the 19th century I can definitely remember at least one of them from the 18th century becoming prominent in the East India Company's admiration.
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Squalid posted:No European colonial power really had the ability to enforce laws against miscegenation prior to the 19th century. This was true for the French and Spanish, as well as northern Europeans like the Dutch. The Cape Coloureds are the obvious example, and while I don't think mixed Anglo-Indians really became a defined group before the 19th century I can definitely remember at least one of them from the 18th century becoming prominent in the East India Company's admiration. The Anglo Métis had a defined identity in the 18th century, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that that identity developed under New France.
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah a castle is a subclass of fort I think, just one in the European style and that doesn't have a city inside it. Fortified home for the rich: castle. (Unfortified home for the rich: palace.) Fortified home for a bunch of soldiers: fortress. Fortified place where a shitload of people of all kinds live: a town/city, with walls. You can have a castle inside a fortress and/or a fortified city, and you can have a fortress inside a fortified city. If you want to put a fortress inside a castle nah you just make a more fortified castle. You obviously put soldiers in all of these because fortifications with no-one to man them is kind of pointless.
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