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keep punching joe posted:What are the stars in Tolkienverse? They seem to function the same way, there's descriptions of constellations and individual stars that match with our own (Northern hemisphere), and Aragon I think mentions that the stars in the South are different. The original myth is that they are just pretty lights put up there by Varda, hence her epithet “star-kindler”. Later Tolkien considered this to be a purely mythic explanation and contrived alternative explanation which agrees more closely with fact—the stars are stars, heavenly objects with spirits of fire living inside them.
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i was being facetious earlier but this does drill down to my own personal choice to mostly ignore and not acknowledge the "real history" aspect of Tolkien's work and just treat it as a separate fantasy universe. Tolkien himself struggled to square everything, and to me everything makes far more sense as an isolated world created by Gods and their parent God.
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skasion posted:Arda encompasses the whole solar system so you’re good until you hit the heliopause, I guess? That depends a lot on your definition of solar system. The gravitational influence of the sun extends far beyond that before it's superseded by that of other stars.
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keep punching joe posted:What are the stars in Tolkienverse? They seem to function the same way, there's descriptions of constellations and individual stars that match with our own (Northern hemisphere), and Aragon I think mentions that the stars in the South are different. one of them is just some guy on a space boat
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I realize that throwing shade on heroes is very on-brand for Gandalf, but I never caught before that he calls Theoden "Theoden the Old" straight to his face, and as far as I know he's the only person in the book to refer to Theoden by that title lol
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Jun 30, 2022 04:35
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"Old" has many meanings and Gandalf meant all of them at once, I suppose.
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Just long delayed revenge for naming him Bad News Gandalf
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skasion posted:Bad News Gandalf Now that's a username idea
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Imagined posted:I realize that throwing shade on heroes is very on-brand for Gandalf, but I never caught before that he calls Theoden "Theoden the Old" straight to his face, and as far as I know he's the only person in the book to refer to do Theoden by that title lol It’s a good goof to summarize the history of Rohan as “all the years from Eorl the Young to Theoden the Old”, classic Bad News Gandalf
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skasion posted:Just long delayed revenge for naming him Bad News Gandalf I had never really thought about how hilarious it is that Theoden basically pulls a Trump on Gandalf by giving him a lovely nickname. Sleepy Gandalf is at it again.
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Ginette Reno posted:I had never really thought about how hilarious it is that Theoden basically pulls a Trump on Gandalf by giving him a lovely nickname. Sleepy Gandalf is at it again. you have it backward, Trump talks like that because he's translating from the original Anglo-Saxon
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Meduseld must always be a safe and special place. The followers of Gandalf Lathspell were very rude last night to a very good man, Gríma. Apologize!
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I choose to read Sam's "I'll have that slave-driving devil anyway" as implying that Sam even feels some sympathy for the orcs who are being driven along with himself and Frodo, or at least recognizes a slave-driver as even worse than a typical orc, even if he's only commanding other orcs.
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Imagined posted:I choose to read Sam's "I'll have that slave-driving devil anyway" as implying that Sam even feels some sympathy for the orcs who are being driven along with himself and Frodo, or at least recognizes a slave-driver as even worse than a typical orc, even if he's only commanding other orcs. He's sympathetic that they don't have a kind Master to serve like he does.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjoV_2JcZ0 Teaser for a teaser. Sauron taking notes from Sigmar and traveling by comet?
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwjoV_2JcZ0 yay black elves/dwarves/characters!
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euphronius posted:Looks pretty bland and safe!!! You want bland and safe? This is bland, safe and about 19 years out of date. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYrJdAdi1WI
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It really does seem like, other than the graphics, like straight out of the Xbox 360 era.
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So how many cliff faces overhung with waterfalls falling into a pool below are there in Ithilien that just blindfolding people on the way there would prevent them from finding it again or telling someone else where it is? Imagine someone blindfolded you and led you to Yosemite Falls before uncovering your eyes. Don't you think you could describe the place afterwards well enough for someone else to find it if someone forced you?
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Imagined posted:So how many cliff faces overhung with waterfalls falling into a pool below are there in Ithilien that just blindfolding people on the way there would prevent them from finding it again or telling someone else where it is? It might work if the waterfall itself is shielded from view, e.g., being in an enclosed valley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5Wa8igaDs&t=705s But of course, with flying Nazgûl running air reconnaissance, that wouldn't last forever.
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Ithilien is (was) way bigger than Yosemite also.
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Yeah, more like the whole length of the Sierra Nevada. There's tons of rivers and waterfalls in there.
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Remember this is a continent.
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What's up with those watcher dudes in cirith ungol? Were they magic stones or actual magic dudes?
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Tom Smykowski posted:What's up with those watcher dudes in cirith ungol? Were they magic stones or actual magic dudes? They’re stone statues with a spirit or spirits inside. More machine than man imo
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Sentient stones imo, similar to the sentient trees of the Old Forest.
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New trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewgCqJDI_Nk The Oath of Feanor at 2:01?  Also, they released a photoshoot of the Numenorean cast yesterday. https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547412542154162176 From left to right, they are named as Pharazon's son Kemen, Queen Miriel, Pharazon, Elendil, and Elendil's children Earien and Isildur. Entertainment Weekly helpfully adds that Anarion exists in the show, but is off screen. I guess that's good. I was afraid he'd been replaced. William Bear fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jul 14, 2022 |
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I can buy that as Pharazon for sure
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Looks good! Not thrilled about that Crouching Tiger/Matrix move at 2:02 but everything else seems solid. And Galadriel's references to what she's "seen": Dagor Bragollach or War of Wrath?
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i am so mad that i got excited for that GOD DAMMIT The "scaled" armor looks like absolute dogshit though and is obviously plastic which is a glaring lazy out
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Data Graham posted:I can buy that as Pharazon for sure Yeah he looks great. Interesting that he’s named as regent Miriel’s “advisor”, so we’ll get to see a palace coup driven by Annatar/Sauron which is pretty cool. Oh and I know this goes without saying since Twitter is a cesspit at the best of times, but 100% avoid reading any of the replies or comments. OMG SO WOKE, WHY CHINESE IN NUMENOR, etc
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the number of people who have literally created an image of everyone being blonde and white in Tolkien is loving bizarre and so loving stupid. he barely ever gives physical descriptions of that type, and Numenor and subsequently Gondor were literally Mediterranean-climate kingdoms and should therefore the people would look like Italians, Greeks, Syrians, etc.
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webmeister posted:Oh and I know this goes without saying since Twitter is a cesspit at the best of times, but 100% avoid reading any of the replies or comments. OMG SO WOKE, WHY CHINESE IN NUMENOR, etc It's been very funny watching the various FB Tolkien fan groups have to hold constitutional conventions for rules and/or just schism completely over the show Yes, I have a Facebook in 2022. I deleted about 4 years ago but job made me reactivate for "networking" reasons. 
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I mean you've got the whole Vanyar/Noldor/Teleri physical descriptions being pretty explicit, and I would actually say it's not true that he "seldom" gives physical/phenotypical descriptions of Men or Hobbits or everyone; it's kind of a characteristic of his writing. What is true is that these specific details are hardly important to the story, and they can change them all they want as long as it doesn't literally impact plot points (i.e. make them not make sense narratively).
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Data Graham posted:I mean you've got the whole Vanyar/Noldor/Teleri physical descriptions being pretty explicit, and I would actually say it's not true that he "seldom" gives physical/phenotypical descriptions of Men or Hobbits or everyone; it's kind of a characteristic of his writing. yeah maybe i was going a bit too far but in general he does not do hard and fast "they ALL look like X", and for many major characters details like hair color, etc are not even given. and then to the major point, it does not matter anyway since even if tolkien said something its a meaningless detail.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Is Sauron hot he's wreathed in flame
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