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TheGreatGildersneeze
Feb 24, 2001
My passive aggressive shilling for Microsoft has gone beyond weird obsession levels. I have no attachment to reality outside of my feelings for a plastic box. I should shut my fat fucking mouth and stop trying to do PR for a billion dollar corp

theflyingorc posted:

Hahaha you idiot. It's called an HDMI cable. You can't actually be this dumb, there's no way.
A shill who registered a couple weeks ago solely to defend the HORTA and tell us vague garbage about his window-lickin' good dev studio is a loving moron who thinks we're all too dumb to pick up on his middle-school debate team level argument skills.


:toot: SURPRIIIIIISE! :toot:

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Aweful Dreams
Apr 7, 2013

CEO, Heh, inc.

Overly Optimistic

XboxPants posted:

Couldn't you just connect it to a 1080p tv? What's the problem with that?

theflyingorc posted:

Hahaha you idiot. It's called an HDMI cable. You can't actually be this dumb, there's no way.

When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA.

Aweful Dreams fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 24, 2013

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

Aweful Dreams posted:

When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA.

Huh, interesting. Didn't know that. I guess you had an actual genuine reason.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Aweful Dreams posted:

When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA.

Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly.

TheGreatGildersneeze
Feb 24, 2001
My passive aggressive shilling for Microsoft has gone beyond weird obsession levels. I have no attachment to reality outside of my feelings for a plastic box. I should shut my fat fucking mouth and stop trying to do PR for a billion dollar corp

crowfeathers posted:

Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly.
Hey, they don't have time to do that; they're busy making REAL HOT GAMES, like

Aweful Dreams
Apr 7, 2013

CEO, Heh, inc.

Overly Optimistic

crowfeathers posted:

Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly.

So, alter the Android OS itself to add support for something the OS doesn't support in any way? Android didn't support non-mirrored external displays until 4.2 Jellybean, before that the mirroring was an automatic thing done by the OS that you had no control over.

trunkwontopen
Apr 7, 2007
I am a CARTOON BEAR!

Treytor posted:

I'm very late to the party, so I apologize if this has been re-hashed to death. I was one of the optomistic Kickstarter suckers, and it sounds like there is no chance I'll ever see this thing let alone enjoy it. Is there any chance I could get a refund, or should I just kiss that $100 goodbye and maybe see a unit 12 months from now? :(


I'm in the same boat as you. I emailed support, and they told me to do a charge back on my credit card. Unfortunately, CC don't take charge backs on credit cards too seriously if the purchase was made greater than 6 months ago. I'm going to hit them up again to see if I can force it out of them.

KillerMojo
Mar 30, 2007

The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
- Douglas Adams

trunkwontopen posted:

I'm in the same boat as you. I emailed support, and they told me to do a charge back on my credit card. Unfortunately, CC don't take charge backs on credit cards too seriously if the purchase was made greater than 6 months ago. I'm going to hit them up again to see if I can force it out of them.

When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog.

Belial42
Feb 28, 2007

The Sleeper must awaken...with a damn fine can of Georgia coffee.
So Jellybean 4.2 which released Nov 13th 2012. OUYA dev kits shipped Dec. 27th 2012. Looks like developers got a little more than a month extra to work on the ultra high res 1080p kick rear end OUYA killer app.

Spermanent Record
Mar 28, 2007
I interviewed a NK escapee who came to my school and made a thread. Then life got in the way and the translation had to be postponed. I did finish it in the end, but nobody is going to pay 10 bux to update my.avatar

XboxPants posted:

...like you say, it's really amateur hour to dev for a system without testing on the actual hardware itself.

Man, how do people develop games for phones when there are like, a zillion different models? Those terrible, profit making amateurs. :smug:

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Aweful Dreams posted:

When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA.

:stare:

Treytor
Feb 8, 2003

Enjoy, uh... refreshing time!

KillerMojo posted:

When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog.

Yeah, this seems crazy. Wouldn't a chargebacks cost them an exorbitant fee on top of the original amount to be refunded?

trunkwontopen
Apr 7, 2007
I am a CARTOON BEAR!

KillerMojo posted:

When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog.



Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man:

quote:

From: Matt P. [mailto:matt@trunkwontopen.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:04 PM
To: 'OUYA Support'
Subject: RE: [OUYA Support] Re: Shipping the Ouya (ticket #11254)

Sorry for the lack of response, I actually held out to see if I was going to be one of the ďlucky 20%Ē that would have gotten an email. Yeah, Iím tired of waiting.

Companies get negatively impacted if they receive a lot of requests for chargebacks from their customers. Are you sure you should be telling me/others to do this? You guys obviously got the money raised from KS to throw an "elaborate" launch party. Not to mention that Julie is updating her twitter to email support requesting a refund. If she doesnít recognize the process, or if there is a communication issue between her and Support, that sounds like it needs to be corrected. Please refund my initial investment into your company within the next 24-48 hours back to my CC.

Thank you.

From: OUYA Support [mailto:devsupport@ouya.tv]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:49 PM
To: trunkwontopen
Subject: [OUYA Support] Re: Shipping the Ouya (ticket #11254)


Arsen Nazaryan (OUYA Support)
Apr 16 15:48 (PDT)
Hey Matt,
When backing Kickstarter projects, cancellations / refunds cannot be handled by the projects themselves. If you would like to cancel your order, please contact your credit card company and they will let you know what the chargeback procedure is.
We're trying really hard to ship all KS backers' units, whether or not it may seem like it. It's been an incredibly intense few weeks with loads of requests, address changes, and the like.
That being said, there are no excuses; we really do apologize for shipment taking longer than expected and we hope you get whatever you want -- in this case, a refund.
Best,
- Arsen
OUYA



Matt P. [mailto:matt@trunkwontopen.com]
Apr 14 09:04 (PDT)
Iíll take a refund. The FAQ on the ouya.tv website is lying to those KS backers you claim to support, and Iím tired of seeing the negative publicity from the lack of solid updates as well as the mobs of angry backers. I have absolutely no faith that I will get the ouya before end of April, or even into May. Maybe I'll get one when I see it on store shelves. Maybe.



Arsen Nazaryan (OUYA Support)
Apr 10 17:12 (PDT)
Hey Matt,
Though we've begun shipping rewards to Kickstarter backers on March 28, please know that it'll take a few to several weeks for all OUYAs to ship.
As such, you will receive an email confirmation with tracking info once your OUYA has shipped.
Best,

OUYA, Inc.


From: Matt P. [mailto:matt@trunkwontopen.com]
Apr 09 11:20 (PDT)
When will I receive my Ouya?
---

It didn't make much sense to me either to suggest that, and I would have hit him up immediately after getting that email. But, replacing totaled vehicle and trying new alcohol (That Shock-Top Seasonal Apple Wheat is freaking delicious) took precedence over electronic mail. But, I love how they are not even established as a company and the "departments" are not talking to each other.

trunkwontopen fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Apr 24, 2013

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Ineffiable posted:

So, honestly, wouldn't someone that wanted an emulation machine just be better off with a gamestick at this point? That controller looks far better for NES/SNES stuff.

Yes. You'll notice there isn't a thread dedicated to making fun of the gamestick.

Billa posted:

I'm actually kind of interested in this console since I really like small games. When is it supposed to come out?

:laffo:

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Treytor posted:

Yeah, this seems crazy. Wouldn't a chargebacks cost them an exorbitant fee on top of the original amount to be refunded?

No, because the chargeback would be against Amazon payments, who processes all this, not Ouya.

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga

trunkwontopen posted:

When backing Kickstarter projects, cancellations / refunds cannot be handled by the projects themselves. If you would like to cancel your order, please contact your credit card company and they will let you know what the chargeback procedure is.

This is funny because the official kickstarter page says:

Kickstarter posted:

Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators, and creators receive all funds (after fees) soon after their campaign ends. Creators have the ability to refund backers through Amazon Payments (for US projects) and Kickstarter (for UK projects).

edit: I hope the real reason they aren't issuing refunds is because they already spent all of their kickstarter money and literally have nothing left that they could use for refunds :allears:

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

astr0man posted:

edit: I hope the real reason they aren't issuing refunds is because they already spent all of their kickstarter money and literally have nothing left that they could use for refunds :allears:

Everything they are doing currently seems to be window dressing so they can take some poor investor's money and perhaps make a product, so they're probably dry.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624
Guys.
Guys.
GUYS.

You can get an OOMPALOOMPA on ebay, 3 days left and bidding is at $117!

What's the over/under on what this will end up selling for to some idiot?

Top Bunk Wanker
Jan 31, 2005

Top Trump Anger

Aweful Dreams posted:

So, alter the Android OS itself to add support for something the OS doesn't support in any way? Android didn't support non-mirrored external displays until 4.2 Jellybean, before that the mirroring was an automatic thing done by the OS that you had no control over.

What game are you making?

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp

canyoneer posted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624
Guys.
Guys.
GUYS.

You can get an OOMPALOOMPA on ebay, 3 days left and bidding is at $117!

What's the over/under on what this will end up selling for to some idiot?

What moron bid that up from $30 to $100?

Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008
Wasn't it already discussed earlier in this thread that if people start doing CC chargebacks against Amazon Payments, then the BOOYA boys will get on Amazon's poo poo list pretty quick, and that there could be serious legal consequences from Amazon since they're literally telling their backers to take their refunds out of Amazon's pocket?

Assuming of course that anyone CAN get a chargeback from a 6 month old purchase.

codenameFANGIO
May 4, 2012

What are you even booing here?

canyoneer posted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624
Guys.
Guys.
GUYS.

You can get an OOMPALOOMPA on ebay, 3 days left and bidding is at $117!

What's the over/under on what this will end up selling for to some idiot?

Oh look! It's WendigoJohnson's totally real Ouya!!

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



trunkwontopen posted:

Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man:


It didn't make much sense to me either to suggest that, and I would have hit him up immediately after getting that email. But, replacing totaled vehicle and trying new alcohol (That Shock-Top Seasonal Apple Wheat is freaking delicious) took precedence over electronic mail. But, I love how they are not even established as a company and the "departments" are not talking to each other.
Welp there's the final nail in OUYA Inc's coffin. Can someone tell Amazon/Kickstarter about this poo poo. Seriously.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Aweful Dreams posted:

When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice

What? Where the gently caress did you get this from?

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga
Hey guys just want to point out that there's only 54 hours left to donate to the Visorman kickstarter! That still only has the same 69 lbs pledged out of 7,400 that I'm pretty sure were pledged the day it started.

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
Yeah for real, please please let Amazon know about this chargeback bullshit or at the very least submit it to the plethora of tech blogs people read. One or two are bound to pick up the story, and this kind of lovely shady antics shouldn't be tolerated.

That, and it would be hugely satisfying to see how the OUYA white knights would respond. I'm sure many would still praise it and claim "it was before its time" or some other silly bs.

KingSlime fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 24, 2013

KillerMojo
Mar 30, 2007

The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
- Douglas Adams

trunkwontopen posted:

Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man:


It didn't make much sense to me either to suggest that, and I would have hit him up immediately after getting that email. But, replacing totaled vehicle and trying new alcohol (That Shock-Top Seasonal Apple Wheat is freaking delicious) took precedence over electronic mail. But, I love how they are not even established as a company and the "departments" are not talking to each other.

Holy. poo poo.

You have to keep us updated on any responses. I can't believe they had support actively telling people to issue chargebacks. This is absolutely something that Amazon needs to be aware of.

trunkwontopen
Apr 7, 2007
I am a CARTOON BEAR!
Their auto-responder to their support@ouya.tv email, which came in 4 minutes ago, told me that I could find most answers to my questions on the Ouya website's FAQ...where it still says that KS backers would get their console in March. But, before we start bashing this, they didn't say what year.

trunkwontopen fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Apr 24, 2013

Super Rad
Feb 15, 2003
Sir Loin of Beef

raditts posted:

What? Where the gently caress did you get this from?

I don't know about rendering twice, but he is right that most android devices don't do 1080p natively and would need to be hacked in order to output at 1080p, potentially causing lag.

Aweful Dreams
Apr 7, 2013

CEO, Heh, inc.

Overly Optimistic
The rendering twice I got from here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-powerful-is-tegra-3

DigitalFoundry posted:

Why a Tegra Tablet with HDMI Output Won't Match Ouya
That's the theory, at least, but the reality is somewhat different, because anyone saying that HDMI-equipped tablets are viable for HDTV gaming, or an approximate representation of what the forthcoming Ouya offers, needs to take another look at the performance level on the more demanding 3D games.

Unlike a PC graphics card, cloning the framebuffer to two different screens produces an eye-opening drop in the performance level, depending on the game - which we assume is down to the increased bandwidth requirement of servicing twin displays. That being the case, traditional Digital Foundry frame-rate analysis only tells us how good - or how bad - HDMI output performance is, and doesn't give us any kind of feeling for Tegra 3's capabilities overall. Come March next year, however, Ouya is ripe for testing in the conventional manner - after all, its entire horsepower will be dedicated to serving just the single video output.

XboxPants
Jan 30, 2006

Steven doesn't want me watching him sleep anymore.

canyoneer posted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624
Guys.
Guys.
GUYS.

You can get an OOMPALOOMPA on ebay, 3 days left and bidding is at $117!

What's the over/under on what this will end up selling for to some idiot?

Last one sold for over $400.

Io_
Oct 15, 2012

woo woo

Pillbug

Super Rad posted:

I don't know about rendering twice, but he is right that most android devices don't do 1080p natively and would need to be hacked in order to output at 1080p, potentially causing lag.

Ouya is the source so if it outputs at a lower resolution upscaling would typically be done by the TV. I assume that "rendering twice" is actually an oblique reference to supersampling or anti-aliasing of some description.

Io_ fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 24, 2013

Suspicious Dish
Sep 24, 2011

2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro
Fun Shoe
Mirroring displays to two different devices doesn't mean rendering to two different framebuffers. It simply means there's two CRTCs in the device that scan-out from the same framebuffer.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Suspicious Dish posted:

Mirroring displays to two different devices doesn't mean rendering to two different framebuffers. It simply means there's two CRTCs in the device that scan-out from the same framebuffer.

drat, beat me to it. This is post-rendering.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Guys it's cool, his source for dumb OUYA boosterism is a dumb OYA booster article!

You understand that several "good looking" OUYA games already run at a mere 15FPS on the system, right?

Treytor
Feb 8, 2003

Enjoy, uh... refreshing time!

Crackbone posted:

No, because the chargeback would be against Amazon payments, who processes all this, not Ouya.

I contacted the seller through Amazon payments asking for a refund. If that doesn't work I'll escalate it to a refund through Amazon. I'll keep you posted.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

trunkwontopen posted:

Their auto-responder to their support@ouya.tv email, which came in 4 minutes ago, told me that I could find most answers to my questions on the Ouya website's FAQ...where it still says that KS backers would get their console in March. But, before we start bashing this, they didn't say what year.

Better call saul. :smuggo:

We already talked about how the FAQ still says March like 10 pages ago. Somebody else dug up a quote from elsewhere on the website where it does confirm that they meant March 2013. So that proves they're way behind on shipping, and the fact that they haven't updated the FAQ on the website shows how hilariously understaffed and unprepared they are.

Matlock Birthmark
Sep 24, 2005

I wanted this to happen!!
Soiled Meat

Zaphod42 posted:

So that proves they're way behind on shipping, and the fact that they haven't updated the FAQ on the website shows how hilariously understaffed and unprepared they are.

Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has?

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Matlock Birthmark posted:

Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has?

Much like the margin of error, the only real answer is "maximum."

Alternately, lots. Like, just lots.

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Matlock Birthmark posted:

Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has? I know they aren't doing in house production, but when my company released a new product/board that we needed to build/populate it was 50+ people 7 days a week, 10 hour days for a good while. And we still barely made ship date.

I'm guessing like 20 people tops, which is probably mostly management and PR and only a couple poor guys on hardware and software.

I just keep thinking; as bad as all this is, as much as it keeps getting worse (I mean the hardware and software are absolute poo poo, but the least they can do is ship the thing! It would fail anyways, but this is getting ridiculous)

I just keep thinking... What if they'd only gotten their original Kickstarter goal? :allears:

I guess on the upside that'd mean a lot fewer units to ship, but, drat, they'd be so hosed if they had < 1M.
Like, even more hosed than they already are now.

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