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theflyingorc posted:Hahaha you idiot. It's called an HDMI cable. You can't actually be this dumb, there's no way.  SURPRIIIIIISE!
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XboxPants posted:Couldn't you just connect it to a 1080p tv? What's the problem with that? theflyingorc posted:Hahaha you idiot. It's called an HDMI cable. You can't actually be this dumb, there's no way. When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA. Aweful Dreams fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Aweful Dreams posted:When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA. Huh, interesting. Didn't know that. I guess you had an actual genuine reason.
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Aweful Dreams posted:When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA. Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly.
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crowfeathers posted:Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly.
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crowfeathers posted:Not if you use software to make it not do that. In which case, it would work properly. So, alter the Android OS itself to add support for something the OS doesn't support in any way? Android didn't support non-mirrored external displays until 4.2 Jellybean, before that the mirroring was an automatic thing done by the OS that you had no control over.
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Treytor posted:I'm very late to the party, so I apologize if this has been re-hashed to death. I was one of the optomistic Kickstarter suckers, and it sounds like there is no chance I'll ever see this thing let alone enjoy it. Is there any chance I could get a refund, or should I just kiss that $100 goodbye and maybe see a unit 12 months from now? I'm in the same boat as you. I emailed support, and they told me to do a charge back on my credit card. Unfortunately, CC don't take charge backs on credit cards too seriously if the purchase was made greater than 6 months ago. I'm going to hit them up again to see if I can force it out of them.
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trunkwontopen posted:I'm in the same boat as you. I emailed support, and they told me to do a charge back on my credit card. Unfortunately, CC don't take charge backs on credit cards too seriously if the purchase was made greater than 6 months ago. I'm going to hit them up again to see if I can force it out of them. When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog.
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So Jellybean 4.2 which released Nov 13th 2012. OUYA dev kits shipped Dec. 27th 2012. Looks like developers got a little more than a month extra to work on the ultra high res 1080p kick rear end OUYA killer app.
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XboxPants posted:...like you say, it's really amateur hour to dev for a system without testing on the actual hardware itself. Man, how do people develop games for phones when there are like, a zillion different models? Those terrible, profit making amateurs. 
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Aweful Dreams posted:When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice, but that wouldn't tell you how well any particular game level would perform on an OUYA. 
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KillerMojo posted:When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog. Yeah, this seems crazy. Wouldn't a chargebacks cost them an exorbitant fee on top of the original amount to be refunded?
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KillerMojo posted:When did they tell you to do a chargeback? That is a ridiculous request, proof of it would be worthy of a tech blog. Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man: quote:From: Matt P. [mailto:matt@trunkwontopen.com] It didn't make much sense to me either to suggest that, and I would have hit him up immediately after getting that email. But, replacing totaled vehicle and trying new alcohol (That Shock-Top Seasonal Apple Wheat is freaking delicious) took precedence over electronic mail. But, I love how they are not even established as a company and the "departments" are not talking to each other. trunkwontopen fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Ineffiable posted:So, honestly, wouldn't someone that wanted an emulation machine just be better off with a gamestick at this point? That controller looks far better for NES/SNES stuff. Yes. You'll notice there isn't a thread dedicated to making fun of the gamestick. Billa posted:I'm actually kind of interested in this console since I really like small games. When is it supposed to come out? 
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Treytor posted:Yeah, this seems crazy. Wouldn't a chargebacks cost them an exorbitant fee on top of the original amount to be refunded? No, because the chargeback would be against Amazon payments, who processes all this, not Ouya.
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trunkwontopen posted:When backing Kickstarter projects, cancellations / refunds cannot be handled by the projects themselves. If you would like to cancel your order, please contact your credit card company and they will let you know what the chargeback procedure is. This is funny because the official kickstarter page says: Kickstarter posted:Kickstarter doesn't issue refunds as transactions are between backers and creators, and creators receive all funds (after fees) soon after their campaign ends. Creators have the ability to refund backers through Amazon Payments (for US projects) and Kickstarter (for UK projects). edit: I hope the real reason they aren't issuing refunds is because they already spent all of their kickstarter money and literally have nothing left that they could use for refunds 
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astr0man posted:edit: I hope the real reason they aren't issuing refunds is because they already spent all of their kickstarter money and literally have nothing left that they could use for refunds Everything they are doing currently seems to be window dressing so they can take some poor investor's money and perhaps make a product, so they're probably dry.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624 Guys. Guys. GUYS. You can get an OOMPALOOMPA on ebay, 3 days left and bidding is at $117! What's the over/under on what this will end up selling for to some idiot?
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Aweful Dreams posted:So, alter the Android OS itself to add support for something the OS doesn't support in any way? Android didn't support non-mirrored external displays until 4.2 Jellybean, before that the mirroring was an automatic thing done by the OS that you had no control over. What game are you making?
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canyoneer posted:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624 What moron bid that up from $30 to $100?
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Wasn't it already discussed earlier in this thread that if people start doing CC chargebacks against Amazon Payments, then the BOOYA boys will get on Amazon's poo poo list pretty quick, and that there could be serious legal consequences from Amazon since they're literally telling their backers to take their refunds out of Amazon's pocket? Assuming of course that anyone CAN get a chargeback from a 6 month old purchase.
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canyoneer posted:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624 Oh look! It's WendigoJohnson's totally real Ouya!!
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trunkwontopen posted:Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man:
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Aweful Dreams posted:When you mirror an Android device to a tv screen, that doesn't change the rendering to 1080p, it still renders internally at the device's built-in screen resolution. It does get a performance drop, though, since it's rendering the screen twice What? Where the gently caress did you get this from?
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Hey guys just want to point out that there's only 54 hours left to donate to the Visorman kickstarter! That still only has the same 69 lbs pledged out of 7,400 that I'm pretty sure were pledged the day it started.
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Yeah for real, please please let Amazon know about this chargeback bullshit or at the very least submit it to the plethora of tech blogs people read. One or two are bound to pick up the story, and this kind of lovely shady antics shouldn't be tolerated. That, and it would be hugely satisfying to see how the OUYA white knights would respond. I'm sure many would still praise it and claim "it was before its time" or some other silly bs. KingSlime fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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trunkwontopen posted:Sorry for the incoming wall of text, and I don't really give a poo poo if my email address isn't masked. I live on the edge, man: Holy. poo poo. You have to keep us updated on any responses. I can't believe they had support actively telling people to issue chargebacks. This is absolutely something that Amazon needs to be aware of.
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Their auto-responder to their support@ouya.tv email, which came in 4 minutes ago, told me that I could find most answers to my questions on the Ouya website's FAQ...where it still says that KS backers would get their console in March. But, before we start bashing this, they didn't say what year.
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raditts posted:What? Where the gently caress did you get this from? I don't know about rendering twice, but he is right that most android devices don't do 1080p natively and would need to be hacked in order to output at 1080p, potentially causing lag.
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The rendering twice I got from here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-powerful-is-tegra-3DigitalFoundry posted:Why a Tegra Tablet with HDMI Output Won't Match Ouya
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canyoneer posted:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ouya-Android-Console-Brand-New-In-Box-/261203614624 Last one sold for over $400.
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Super Rad posted:I don't know about rendering twice, but he is right that most android devices don't do 1080p natively and would need to be hacked in order to output at 1080p, potentially causing lag. Ouya is the source so if it outputs at a lower resolution upscaling would typically be done by the TV. I assume that "rendering twice" is actually an oblique reference to supersampling or anti-aliasing of some description. Io_ fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Mirroring displays to two different devices doesn't mean rendering to two different framebuffers. It simply means there's two CRTCs in the device that scan-out from the same framebuffer.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Mirroring displays to two different devices doesn't mean rendering to two different framebuffers. It simply means there's two CRTCs in the device that scan-out from the same framebuffer. drat, beat me to it. This is post-rendering.
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Aweful Dreams posted:The rendering twice I got from here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-how-powerful-is-tegra-3 Guys it's cool, his source for dumb OUYA boosterism is a dumb OYA booster article! You understand that several "good looking" OUYA games already run at a mere 15FPS on the system, right?
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Crackbone posted:No, because the chargeback would be against Amazon payments, who processes all this, not Ouya. I contacted the seller through Amazon payments asking for a refund. If that doesn't work I'll escalate it to a refund through Amazon. I'll keep you posted.
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trunkwontopen posted:Their auto-responder to their support@ouya.tv email, which came in 4 minutes ago, told me that I could find most answers to my questions on the Ouya website's FAQ...where it still says that KS backers would get their console in March. But, before we start bashing this, they didn't say what year. Better call saul.  We already talked about how the FAQ still says March like 10 pages ago. Somebody else dug up a quote from elsewhere on the website where it does confirm that they meant March 2013. So that proves they're way behind on shipping, and the fact that they haven't updated the FAQ on the website shows how hilariously understaffed and unprepared they are.
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Zaphod42 posted:So that proves they're way behind on shipping, and the fact that they haven't updated the FAQ on the website shows how hilariously understaffed and unprepared they are. Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has?
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has? Much like the margin of error, the only real answer is "maximum." Alternately, lots. Like, just lots.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Does anyone know how many employees OUYA Inc. actually has? I know they aren't doing in house production, but when my company released a new product/board that we needed to build/populate it was 50+ people 7 days a week, 10 hour days for a good while. And we still barely made ship date. I'm guessing like 20 people tops, which is probably mostly management and PR and only a couple poor guys on hardware and software. I just keep thinking; as bad as all this is, as much as it keeps getting worse (I mean the hardware and software are absolute poo poo, but the least they can do is ship the thing! It would fail anyways, but this is getting ridiculous) I just keep thinking... What if they'd only gotten their original Kickstarter goal? I guess on the upside that'd mean a lot fewer units to ship, but, drat, they'd be so hosed if they had < 1M. Like, even more hosed than they already are now.
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