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Aragon under Sicily! William can be given Provence when the queen dies.
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Overextension? what overextension? Institute Primogeniture, unify the crowns.
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May 17, 2013 08:30
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Unite Sicily and Aragon. While Egypt is rich and will make us strong, it is likely still mostly non-Catholic and will draw our resources forever eastward. We are not the old empire, able to support such ventures and still gain ground in the west. The North Africans and the Iberians can band together powerfully, particularly if the Almoravids join in, so it would be wise to consolidate our position.
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May 17, 2013 09:41
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Roger inherits as the rightful heir, the law of the land must be upheld! But being lawful does not mean that need hold onto far-off foreign lands; King Roger is a charitable fellow, and surely he will figure out a manageable set-up of the d'Hauteville realms. Forget not, oh noble curia, that Robert of Jerusalem is a claimant to Sicily. We should not alienate both crusader realms, for should they press their claims and we fend one off, we may find ourselves unable to fend off the other. Law. Stability. Roger.
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May 17, 2013 10:04
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William! Four D'hauteville states, one for Spain, one for Egypt, another for the Holy Land and another... for Italy! Oh god please don't let out Crusader states take Mecca, that always happens when there's both Egypt and Jerusalem.
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May 17, 2013 10:27
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Arglebargle III posted:Voting Institute Succession by Thunderdome Inheritance via Thunderdome, It sounds like the most Should that prove, problematic for the future survival of the D'Hauteville line, the crown should be chosen via a complex lottery of the three sons, which should be rightfully rigged to say William. Also, it seems like the perfect time to refocus on Spain, what with France making a fool of itself.
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May 17, 2013 12:05
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North Africa! Don't stop until all the Mediterranean coastlines are in the hands of the d'Hautvilles. Pax Normana!
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May 17, 2013 16:28
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Let William Inherit Sicily. With not only Jerusalem in good hands, but soon even Egypt ruled by d'Hautvilles in the future, the Holy Land has what it needs to be retaken in the name of Christ our saviour. Giving future assistance to one another, Egypt and Jerusalem should be able to deal with the heathens on their own. And with Aragon soon to be an ally as well, I would rather see the Catalan branch of the d'Hautvilles having a go at it with our assistance rather than staking a claim on the lands for ourselves. While I would like to see the Belares kept in the hands of the Sicilian Crown, if the people of the world won't be swayed about our supremacy over the islands then so be it. A war against our own blood is naught to be sought for a few pieces of land, strategic as they may be. We in Sicily have more to do. The Greeks still try to claim the supremacy over land that should be ours. In northern Africa the moon of Islam still flies. The northern part of the peninsula is still reigned by Italian noblemen rather than by proper Norman blood. And Corsica still carries the Pisan flag rather than our own. We have our own enemies and targets, closer to us than both the Holy Land and Iberia. Rather than shoving our nose where it is no longer needed for mere glory, why not securing our lands properly for the future? Securing our hold on the lands coveted by us? The trade through the Adriatic, Ionian, Tyrrhenian and Ligurian seas needs to be secured for the future prosperity of Sicily, Greeks and Lombards be damned!
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May 17, 2013 17:04
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YF-23 posted:Roger inherits as the rightful heir, the law of the land must be upheld! But being lawful does not mean that need hold onto far-off foreign lands; King Roger is a charitable fellow, and surely he will figure out a manageable set-up of the d'Hauteville realms. This has convinced me where before I was on the fence. For Roger!
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May 17, 2013 17:10
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King Robert Mostly because the more we get involved in the east, the more likely we'll be crushed by the Mongols. That, and Spain is a nice starting point for any colonial ventures.
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May 17, 2013 18:17
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Can't we have all three? Have an 'accident' happen to queen Yvon, marry the grieving widower Roger to the queen of Aragon, and as soon as he inherits go for North Africa. There is no way this can backfire 
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May 17, 2013 18:43
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Norman rulers named William have a pretty good track record for taking overseas territory, so we should expand into Africa next. Then start moving up Italy...
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May 17, 2013 18:47
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William, it certainly seems fairest to let each of the sons have a kingdom of his own, be it by marriage or inheritance (also it's more fun if you blob less, family-feud type wars are hilarious and you can always marry him to a genius or some Italian claimant...) E: The one we choose also inherits Provence, right? RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 09:00 on May 18, 2013 |
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May 17, 2013 19:54
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Sicily is not the same as barbaric northern countries where the eldest son inherits no matter how much of a useless bastard he may be. In Sicily the father chooses the son most suited to ruling, and that is what has brought our nation to greatness. Robert has no more of a claim on the throne than his other brothers, and we should choose the heir to the kingdom based on merit alone.
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May 17, 2013 22:16
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Patter Song posted:Blood Tanistry is best Tanistry. It's called Open succession, duh. Also, voting for Robert.
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May 17, 2013 23:57
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Aragon for Sicily.
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May 18, 2013 00:49
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Voting William, trying to play in character. Our illustrious king seems like the type who would try to do right by his three sons, and making each of your sons a full-fledged KING is a baller move that only the proudest of fathers can make.
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May 18, 2013 01:37
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Robert isn't going to be a king with any real power though, he'll basically be a concubine of his wife, the true ruler of Aragon. Would you really doom our secondborn to such a humiliating fate, with no lands of his own to rule? vvv Womanlover! 
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May 18, 2013 01:52
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Yes?
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May 18, 2013 01:59
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Yes. William. Three sons, three kings.
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May 18, 2013 02:02
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William.
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May 18, 2013 02:05
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Another vote for Robert.
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May 18, 2013 03:15
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Elaborating after I went to bed: Robert is going to be fine with being the king of Aragon. He's both slothful AND content. He doesn't want the responsibility of ruling, but he could still use the prestige. And maybe someday, he'll have a son of his own, and he'll have the responsibility of a crown. Really, I'm just trying to give our sons what they might want.
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May 18, 2013 06:33
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Sindai posted:Yes. To remove empty quoting, let's spread the name around. No need to blob the crowns, let's have a d'Hautville hugfest around the Med! (Feuds in the family are so much more fun.)
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May 18, 2013 12:10
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+1 for William.
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May 18, 2013 17:22
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William!
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May 20, 2013 21:36
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I'm also for William and trying to get our dynasty on as many thrones as possible. I'm also all for having a stab at North Africa and weakening the drive to rpimogeniture for now.
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May 28, 2013 19:59
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I just want to apologize quickly for the break in updates. Between the end of my Masters program and two illnesses in a row (including near-constant headaches that make it hard to use the computer most of the time), I haven't had much time to work on the LP. Feel free to continue to vote if there's anyone who hasn't yet. I'll try to have the State of the World update up as soon as I can, and the next real update soon after that.
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Jun 1, 2013 00:25
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I'll just go ahead and vote for Robert, I hear Spain is nice this time of the year.
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Jun 2, 2013 09:55
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State of the World (1150) In England, the uneasy peace between the Norman royals and Norwegian nobles has shown surprising resiliency.  King Bohemond, while not quite a match for his namesake, has proven himself surprisingly competent at keeping his realm together despite his reportedly unpleasant nature.  France, on the other hand, has not been nearly as stable. With the Occitan revolt and constant German incursions, the French crown is as weak as it has ever been.  With the abdication of his father Rorgues ‘the Bewitched’, King Renaud II has taken the throne. Whether he proves a more capable ruler than his grandfather and namesake Renaud ‘Priest-Hater’ remains to be seen.  In Aquitaine, however, there is no doubt as to the competence of Duchess Rosalind, the brilliant woman who led her subjects in revolt against the French crown.  Though the last half-century has been a good one for the Holy Roman Empire, it is currently in the midst of a significant revolt.  Few doubt the capabilities of the wise Kaiser Bernhard, however. It is under his long rule that the Germans have recovered much of the land lost under the previous emperors.  In addition, the emperor’s cause is helped by the fact that the revolt is led by the mad heretic Berthold of Alsace, a thoroughly dreadful man despised even by those who have joined his revolt out of political convenience.  In Iberia, change is slow, though the inheritance of Aragon by another member of House d’Hauteville could shift the balance of the power.  At the moment, the most prominent Christian ruler is still King Oveco of Leon, Galicia, and Navarra.  Recently, Sweden has been the ascendant of the Scandinavian powers, gaining land in both Norway and Finland. The Norwegian crown, on the other hand, is on the brink of falling apart.  The Russian princes, though frequently at war, rarely seem to gain much land or power in the long term. To their south, though, a Crimean Khanate has split away from the rest of the Cumans.  Byzantine efforts to reclaim Anatolian territory have all failed miserably, but their remaining lands seem stable enough for the moment.  That may change soon, however, as trouble is brewing over the emperor’s embrace of beliefs the Patriarch has deemed heretical.  The Greeks’ Turkish enemies are not faring much better, with the realm currently in the midst of another civil war.  Sultan Tanrivermis has demonstrated himself capable so far, however, and most expect him to crush the revolt.  Further south, the crusaders of Egypt have wiped out the last Fatimid holdouts and the royal line has disappeared, leaving Shia Muslims without a caliph. In addition, Egyptian expeditions to the east have put the two great crusader kingdoms into conflict once again.  With the celebrated King Robert still on the throne of Jerusalem, few doubt that the senior crusader state will have the upper hand.  Ledger Religions  The Most Prestigious Characters  The Most Pious Characters  The Largest States  The Largest Armies  World Map 
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Jun 12, 2013 05:03
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I'm really curious how the Countess of Rogaland became so pious.
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Jun 12, 2013 06:24
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Walliard posted:I'm really curious how the Countess of Rogaland became so pious. She's possessed by Jesus (she has the Possessed trait with the Voice of Jesus modifier). She has all seven virtues in addition to Zealous. Richard just can't compete with that, sadly.
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Chapter Fourteen: Tunis (1150-1159) Duke Guy succeeds in gathering the support of the Curia Regis, and King Richard finally relents. Prince William is named the heir to the Kingdom of Sicily. It is Guy’s last major act as Emir of Emirs, however, as he passes away in his sleep not long after.  Richard is upset at the death of his lifelong friend and advisor, and spares no expense in commemorating Guy’s life, holding a great tournament in his honour and dedicating several new construction projects to the late duke.  Among the new construction projects are many churches and cathedrals – another indicator of the king’s zeal, along with his missionary efforts in Spain.  For this and for his patient, steady rule, his subjects begin to call him Richard the Wise, despite the follies of his youth.  For his part, Richard is eager to atone for what he sees as the mistakes of his past. He finds that some old enemies are not willing to forgive and forget, however.  As young Prince William grows into manhood, he demonstrates a greater interest in and aptitude for warfare than his father, signalling that King Richard’s relative pacifism will probably not last beyond his death.  According the arrangements made by Guy before his death, Prince Robert is married to the Queen of Aragon, most likely securing another kingdom for House d’Hauteville.  Prince William, on the other hand, is betrothed to a young French princess well outside the likely line of succession.  Though Richard is not yet an old man, his health is already beginning to deteriorate, perhaps due to the poor health he suffered earlier in his life.  With the king in poor health and Guy dead, much of the responsibility for the realm devolves onto Richard’s close advisors, including his brothers Roger and Bohemond, as well as the Duke of Capua.  Citing Guy’s long-held desire to invade Tunis and taking advantage of the king’s poor health, they finally convince him to sanction a war against the Zirids.  A massive army is assembled, led by the Duke of Capua and several Sicilian Arabs loyal to the Normans.  Tunis falls quickly, the Zirid army having been decimated by war with their North African neighbours.  The crucial port of Mahdia falls next, securing control of the Tunisian coast for Sicily.  With the death of the sultan the Zirids are left in disarray, the young sultan being forced to flee to their eastern holdings.  Young Sultan Jaffar quickly surrenders, ceding control of the Tunisian coast to the Normans.  It is decided that Prince William should oversee the newly-conquered territory to prepare him to rule Sicily.  Control of Tunis in addition to Sardinia ensures a great degree of Sicilian control over marine traffic through the central Mediterranean.  Though he is not particularly happy with the invasion of Tunis, Richard contents himself by spending yet more money – including the proceeds of the successful invasion – on new building projects in Palermo.  Interesting news comes from the north, too, when it is announced that Pope Callixtus II has elevated the Duchy of Aquitaine to the level of a kingdom. In addition, Duke Biagio of Lombardia is crowned King of Serbia in honour of his Balkan holdings. 
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Wow, the world misses the second coming of Jesus because he came back as a woman. Go figure. And hey, we got Tunisia, how about that? I love that the preeminent Muslim power is called Rum.
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Jun 12, 2013 07:19
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Man that is one massive Sultanate of Rum, they could make for an interesting rival in the east.
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Jun 12, 2013 07:47
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Other than Rum the Muslims seem to be getting their asses kicked in this game, I hope they manage to keep things interesting and don't get broken up in a stupid succession war.
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Jun 12, 2013 08:40
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Primary title Kingdom of Mann and the Isles is the best kingdom. Even if he doesn't have all of the Isles anymore.
i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Jun 12, 2013 08:43
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I hope all these Hauteville's spread across the mediterranean lead to a series of petty claim and counter-claim wars between them.
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Jun 12, 2013 08:46
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I just want to see the kingdom of Aquitaine survive; I've never had a game where they were able to hold off the French (although that might have something to do with all the Cathars...)
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I'd like to see Christian Egypt and Jerusalem make a go of things and start taking over the Middle East. I've only played CK1 (a long time ago at that), but don't crusader kingdoms basically get the support of the entire Christian world if they're attacked?
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