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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Is it just me, or shouldn't 2014 be another big win for the Democrats?

I'm not joking here. Everything that's been going against the Republicans is only going to get worse in the years to come, along with a lot of simmering issues that will come back into the discussion until November 2014.

In the next year or so, it's reasonable to expect the following things to happen (or keep happening, as it were):

- Obama's healthcare plan will take effect, and it's expected that millions of people will benefit in some way from it. Going by the current Republican strategy, any Obamacare benefits would presumably help strengthen the Democratic base, hurt the Republican 'oppose everything, cry wolf' argument, and basically become the biggest reason to support President Obama and his party.

- The Republican schism has no signs of stopping, as some bizarre issue will continue to split the party into two, three, four groups. Immigration is only the beginning. It'll happen again, and again, and again, through the mid-term elections.

- All of the traditional Republican tactics to win are all breaking down too. Fox News is losing viewers, the base is growing older. Every time that a politician lies, says something offensive, or even panders, video will get on YouTube. Talk radio is losing its influence. Meanwhile, the Democrats have embraced a media strategy that will work for the future.

- Those Republican governors who have been extremely unpopular? Scott Walker, John Kasich, Rick Snyder, Rick Perry, Paul LePage, and Rick Scott are ALL up for re-election. Jan Brewer will be term-limited out of office, creating an open race in Arizona. 2014 will get presented as a referendum on all of those guys, their policies, the Koch brothers, and all of that. The story on the Republican side would basically be defending and promoting ridiculously unpopular policies.

This all leads up into a political climate of a very popular Democratic policy going against a set of highly toxic Republican policies, of a modern Democratic PR movement against an out-of-touch Republican one, all with a Republican party that shows no signs of figuring itself out.

Shouldn't the Democrats win big in 2014? Shouldn't this be a potential blowout, as the Republicans lose even more ground before a 2016 election where Tea Party senators finally go up for re-election? I think so.

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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Family Values posted:

A lot depends on turnout. Some core Democratic constituencies are somewhat notorious for not showing up for midterm elections.

Part of that idiotic Republican messaging will undoubtedly include party chairs saying stupid things about restricting voter turnout (reduced hours! poll taxes! literacy tests!), which will embolden people to turn out simply to screw over the people trying to take their rights away. 2012 had more voters than 2008, and I'd be shocked if 2014 did not have significantly more voters than 2010.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

The tea party in Michigan really wants Carl Levin gone. Last summer they launched an unsuccessful campaign to recall the senator. He hasn't done any fundraising, has very little funds on hold to launch a campaign and everyone here is waiting to see what he will do. Hopefully not retire yet.

The tea party in Michigan wants the state to split off as a separate country, and declare war on the United States. The tea party in Michigan will get nothing of what they actually want, because they are idiots.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

I agree with that, but Johnson has a very tough road ahead and he can't wait to start looking for candidates and firing up the base 6 months from now, not with the energy going currently with repealing RTW and undoing some of the debilitating plans Snyder wants. Emergency Manager for Detroit, raising taxes again and I could go on and on. Now that it appears he is going back on another promise and looking to run for a second term, we have a huge fight to find someone who can run against him and win. Johnson needs to get to work on that starting now.

Lon Johnson should be able to put together a string of victories in 2014. Anything less is a failure.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
As a Michigan resident who went to college on the west side of the state, I hope beyond all hope that both Pete Hoekstra and Justin Amash run for the Senate. It's going to be comedy gold with those guys out there, trying to out-jackass one another. It's a true battle of the titans.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

That's because Synder ran as a moderate. He fooled lots of people into voting for him. Of course, once he became governor the first thing he did kill the film tax incentive. It was one program Granholm did that Snyder couldn't figure out how to take the credit away from so he said it was hurting the state and killed it instead.

Here's Jeff Daniels talking about Snyder killing the film industry in Michigan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOhyFc-xR84

Also, Snyder was a moderate from Ann Arbor, and was likely in a lot of the same circles as Daniels. Those yard signs might just be from trying to support a moderate-seeming friend of a friend.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

At the rate he's going the only people who will like him by 2014 will live in either Ada County, Oakland County or Washtenaw County.

You forgot Ottawa County.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Take Michigan with you, Canada!

I want Kinder Surprises readily available, plus even more hockey, plus sensible methods of road snow removal (dirt).

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

EPIC-MRA poll claims if the election for Governor in Michigan were held today, Snyder would be in a dead heat with Mark Schauer. He was a US rep until 2011, but lost to Tom Walberg. The amazing thing about Schauer is he polls as well as he does when hardly anyone outside of his district knows who he is.

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/poll_michigan_gov_rick_snyder_2.html

Also, the spokesperson for the polling firm has a very tragic name.

I haven't clicked on the link, but I'm assuming Bernie Porn.

Mark Schauer! That's a name out of relative nowhere.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
A compilation of thought:

Highspeeddub posted:

^^^ Hoekstra! The laziest campaigner ever.

Sadly, Hoekstra's not running.

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2013/08/pete_hoekstra_trounced_in_2012.html

The headline does prominently mention Hoekstra's blowout loss in 2012, which is nice.

Highspeeddub posted:

Who's running and who isn't next year has a lot to do with who has the money to do it. Dave Camp has the war chest but he's not interested in leaving the house. Land has the money, but she's not conservative enough. Frankly, Land against Peters is a win for the Democrats in Michigan.

Land against Peters is a win for the Democrats, and if the Tea Party decides to fragment the race, it could be a huge win. The Tea Parties have refused to cooperate on anything, and I doubt they can even agree on their own candidate.

Highspeeddub posted:

This has the same sound to it as some people I'm seeing say Snyder will win another term next year because the "silent" majority will come out and vote for him.

This has come up in multiple threads, so let me debunk it here: there is no silent majority for Snyder, or any other Republican. There is no silent majority for the Tea Party, or any of their policies.

Furthermore, all of these Tea Partiers feel that they have a silent majority on all of their own stupid ideas. Hey, Tea Party, think that all schools are a government conspiracy? Think that people have a fundamental right to use their guns to shoot minorities? Think that people have a right to sell poisoned or unsafe food in a free-market economy? Then you might think that you have a silent majority who agrees with you, that you don't have.

Many Tea Partiers feel that, not only does the Tea Party have a silent majority in this country, but they themselves also have a silent majority, where their own personal ideas represent the majority of the nation. That's why there are so many pointlessly minor fights in Tea Party politics - every idea, no matter how small, must be fought for to the death because the majority of the country wants it, in their own minds. Doesn't matter if it's fighting Obamacare, or fighting for hot dogs over hamburgers at a picnic. Everything is a fight over our nation's liberties, for freedom, et cetera.

At some point over the next couple election cycles, you'd have to assume that these people will eventually figure out that the country does not support their extremist ideas in the slightest. The backlash started in 2010. It keeps getting stronger. Eventually, that political reality will have to set in.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Joementum posted:

It's been a great year for tri-state area campaign media statements, hasn't it?


In case you're wondering, "Did he stop there?" He did not. :allears:

Going overlooked is the fact that "Rick Shaftan" is a pretty funny name, when you think about it.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Amphion posted:

They need 6 seats to get to 51. South Dakota, West Virginia, and Montana seem to be lost already. Then they only need 3 out of Arkansas, Alaska, Louisiana, North Carolina, Colorado, Michigan, Iowa, and New Hampshire. I guess those last 4 are less likely to flip than the first 4.

Count Michigan out. Besides a well-funded and well-run opposition campaign against Rick Snyder (who is up for election in 2014), the Democrats will be running Gary Peters and the Republicans are running Terri Lynn Land. Land, a candidate described as "certainly not the first choice of party pooh-bahs, but looks to be the last contender standing", has repeatedly lost campaigns on a statewide level. Peters has some losing moments as well, but it seems like Land has a very long road ahead of her to win.

And, if Land loses the race for the Senate, it will only discourage national Republicans from thinking Michigan is a viable state to win. If Snyder also loses re-election, Michigan might go (and stay) blue.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

Snyder is in so much hot water right now with his NERD fund and his full time lobbyist. He put the guy on the state payroll so now the taxpayers of Michigan are directly paying him to screw us. There's ongoing investigations into how the emergency dictator Kevin Orr was chosen, and one of Orr's team just resigned for making racist comments publically. There will be no Democratic primary in Michigan, everything is going into Mark Schauer's campaign.

In short, Schauer has a ton of momentum in the race for governor, and Land's only hope is to ride Snyder's coattails. Michigan won't flip a Senate seat Republican.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Highspeeddub posted:

Justin Amash is in really hot water and Democrats could possibly get the 3rd Congressional district, if they find a candidate ready run against him.

Any more information on this?

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
Remember, Rick Snyder isn't actually campaigning, and really doesn't give a poo poo about getting re-elected after dealing with the Tea Partiers and big-money people within Michigan's Republican Party.

So, naturally, he should definitely be the focus of the Michigan Dems, the guy who really couldn't care less about getting re-elected.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

The Nastier Nate posted:

Here's a free campaign tip though. If you're in one of those situations where you know some weasel is repeatedly stealing signs, smear the sides in some high quality vasoline. It won't wash off in the rain and it will piss off your thieves when they go to pick it up and get covered in lube fingers.

Also, a fun campaign tip for anyone with Santorum signs in your neighborhood. Mix in some brown food coloring with the vaseline for extra fun!

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Rick Snyder and Terri Lynn Land refuse to debate Mark Schauer and Gary Peters. Rick because Mark's not a serious candidate even though he's leading in the polls, and Terri can't speak off the cuff to save her life.

So in a private chat on Facebook people are discussing whether Mark Schauer should debate Mark Boyd, who does a fantastic impersonation of Snyder, or have Schauer debate this goddamn thing:



I just told them that is the stupidest idea ever! It would be about as effective as Clint Eastwood debating an empty chair. These people want to kiss Schauer's lead goodbye with a stunt like that? Morons.

why

why would you do this

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

Paul MaudDib posted:

Because the Michigan Democratic party are a bunch of tone-deaf idiots who couldn't sell icewater in Hell. Even during one of their marathons.

They never cease to amaze me with how outright incompetent they are every single time.

Yes. Yes, this is true.

Whenever your state party is sending out press releases about how "hilarious" their ads are, instead of how effective....you lose.

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
I want a Ford '76 bumper sticker, along with a really old University of Michigan sticker.

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AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel
I'm apathetic on guns, except when there's a mass shooting, or when some gun dork won't shut the gently caress up about the non-existent War On Guns.

I hope those people lose them all.

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