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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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So what's the state-of-the-art with bad D&D Next design decisions?


And also, I've got this bottle of black rum. I like it- it's like rum-flavored rum- but it's a little strong. What's a good cocktail that uses black rum?

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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P.d0t posted:

I seem to recall Mearls basically saying Wardens didn't warrant their own class and that the "primal defender" would/could just be a Barbarian variant. Does that count?

That's pretty bad! There's always a lumper/splitter argument to have when you're making a class-based system like this, but... well, whatever.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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goldjas posted:

In other news, I don't know why Next doesn't just use 4th editions leader rules to fix the whole Cleric problem.

I think they're trying to make a baseline level of healing to measure all other healing classes off of with the Cleric, so you can bring any of them instead.

Of course, the Warlord isn't invited.

Anyway. Thanks for the rum suggestions, dudes!

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Ulta posted:

I have been invited to a bonfire for "deserts and cordials." Is scotch a cordial?

Scotch is as not-a-cordial as you can get while still being alcoholic. They're looking for schnapps, preferably a sweet fruit schnapps.

Bring the scotch anyway. Scotch goes great with bonfires.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I've often thought that the proper way to make a new D&D edition would be to throw out everything in Appendix N and make an entirely new fantasy RPG with your own Appendix N, full of whatever's current and popular. Get some Avatar: The Last Airbender, Harry Potter, and maybe even Twilight in there. If not Twilight, then definitely some of the current magical teenager romance genre. Being overly attached to the past is bad for games.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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This Warlord stuff is boring and depressing. Let's talk about curried egg salad!

Curried egg salad is a really simple recipe, which I like because I am a terrible cook, and it's quite tasty. The core of a curried egg salad is simple: Hard-boiled eggs, mayonnaise, and curry powder. I prefer Sun Madras Curry Powder and will freely admit that most of my reason for it is the badass tin. Also, it's mildly smoky, and if there's a flavor I love, it's smoky. You'll want to add some crisp green vegetables to it, in order to round it out and make it feel less like eating great big spoonfuls of curried lard.

If ya'll want a proper recipe, here it is (adapted from other curried egg recipies I've used)

6 hard-boiled large eggs, chopped
1/4 cup finely chopped celery (spinach works too, but remember to chop it extra-fine)
3 scallions, chopped
1/4 cup bottled mayonnaise
3/4 teaspoon curry powder (more or less)
1/8 teaspoon celery salt (or just salt)
1/8 teaspoon smoked paprika (if you like smoked everything, which I do)
Sprinking of lemon juice

Peel the eggs, chop them up, toss everything in a bowl and mix it. Season with salt and pepper, then serve it in sandwiches or on crackers. Serves four or five as a side-dish, or two as a main course.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Splicer posted:

You can get back up to full health by sleeping, it just takes a while. If Warlord HP healing represents "shouting a hand back on" then that implies Fighters are perfectly capable of regenerating their own limbs, it just takes a while.

Clearly, all D&D Next characters are secretly Axolotl.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Dirty_Moses posted:

What if they merged the warlord into the bard class? That way, bards represent ALL individuals that combine martial and arcane disciplines with a huge helping of charisma, whether they're traveling minstrels or hardened generals. Just hand them some of the powerful, support-style wizard spells and they could play an integral role as a buffer/debuffer.

Hey, great idea! Then let's merge the wizard into the ranger class, so they can represent ALL individuals with Grizzly Adams beards!

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Spoilers Below posted:

On that topic, can anyone recommend a good brand of electric kettle? My wife and I have been through 3 so far, and the interior always rusts no matter how well we dry it out. Thus far we've tried Black and Decker and GE, both of which lasted less than 2 months (we drink a lot of tea).

This Cuisinart kettle has served my house well for years. Worst thing that's happened to it is the occasional case of scaling.

Ratoslov fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 28, 2013

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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goldjas posted:

Yo Dungeon World is one of my favorite games, there is a way to do this poo poo right.

Likewise: Legends of the Wulin.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Babylon Astronaut posted:

Just to clarify, Betty Crocker is the ghetto version of How to Cook Everything. It's a Susie Homemaker manual from the 60's vs. what I'm assuming is a more modern cookbook targeting someone learning to cook.

Speaking of cookbooks, I have a suggestion for anyone who seriously wants to cook Italian style. The Silver Spoon. It's basically the Italian Joy of Cooking- a comprehensive definitive guide on cooking absolutely anything, including descriptions of techniques and ingredients. The only thing I would warn you about is that every recipe in the book is way heavier on the salt, butter, and wine than I like, and you really should think about that before cooking anything.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Gort posted:

So, can we make some lists of good ideas that D&D Next has that you could potentially port to another game system?

So far I've got:

1. "Advantage" makes you roll twice and pick the higher dice, "Disadvantage" makes you roll twice and pick the lower dice. Effective, quick and elegant.
2. ...

Columns.

Oh, no, not how they implemented it. But the idea of splitting up the game into specific systems has some merit, and when you make the next obvious steps of 'make sure every class can do poo poo in each of the columns' and 'make it impossible to give up power in one column to get power in another' you end up with, uh, silos I guess. And it's not a bad way to split up a game.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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AlphaDog posted:

Magic is not the problem. Spells that say "the spell caster ignores rule X" or "the spell caster gains another character's ability" are the problem, but only if non-spellcasters don't get to do that.

Hell, even those can be okay. Unknown Armies is my go-to reference for a game with magic and mundanes with decent balance.

There are totally spells in Unknown Armies that say 'Spellcaster ignores rule X' or that let you pretend to have another character's ability, but they don't stomp all over mundane ability since the poo poo you need to do in order to get the juju you need to cast a spell is either obnoxious, dangerous, odious, or some combination of the three, so even if you're a kind of mage that has access to an attack spell, it's a tough choice to decide whether to use your attack spell or a plain old pistol, because pistols don't require you to slam your hand in a cash register drawer to reload it each time.

Also, to be a mage, you have to be the kind of person that thinks slamming your hand in a cash register drawer is an example of a good time, whereas a mundane can be the kind of person that showers and talks like a normal person and holds down a regular job, so there's that for you.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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ProfessorCirno posted:

I saw it fairly often throughout 3e and in various video games. I dunno where the terminology comes from but I see it enough in both.

It's pretty popular in SCA circles, I think.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Auralsaurus Flex posted:

There was a contest a while back to determine the real reason for Cook's departure from the Next team. Dinosaur Satan's winning entry was posted in the TG rules thread as irrefutable truth; the original thread has since been archived.

It's also linked to the whole thing in 3.x where it's ridiculously easy to use the combination of the social skill rules (especially Bluff) and the various cheap and easy ways to get bonuses to Bluff in order to make a character who can convince almost everybody of any drat fool thing, no matter how implausible. The memetic example is convincing them that you are the moon.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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So, in an effort to lose weight, I've started having protien-powder smoothies for breakfast. Since I've got a absolutely awesome blender, this is pretty cool. But I'm looking for other things to toss into my smoothies to add flavor, since I'm beginning to get kind of sick of frozen blueberry shakes. Any ideas?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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neonchameleon posted:

The chance of getting ten fails in ten goes at 2% is (49/50)^10 or around 82% (I think. I just asked Excel).

So the chance of getting at least one success is 1-(49/50)^10. Or around 18%. With multiple successes being possible (but unlikely).

Which often shows up in RPGs the other way around. For a theoretical example, imagine a thief in a d% system with a stealth score of 98%. The system says that a 98% skill is incredibly badass, but since a single failure means discovery and most applications of the stealth skill need ~10 checks (because you need to roll against each individual guard every turn), a 98% stealth score is actually more of 'Good, but don't depend on it in a pinch.'

EDIT: There's always Larry Gonick's Cartoon Guide to Statistics.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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moths posted:

Unfortunately "intelligence" is a loaded term in D&D; "This requires intelligence" is functionally the same as "Wizards excell at this."

Arguably, the start of the whole Caster Supremacy problem was when Gygax named that stat Intelligence instead of 'Education' or 'Magickness' or whatever.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Daetrin posted:

Well it seems to me that a solo that's COMMANDER EVIL shouldn't just be like a WoW raidboss where it's just some guy that's crazy tough (tougher than the whole party) for no good reason. A single entity that takes a whole party to bring down should be something really big and huge and tough, and COMMANDER EVIL should always have minions/summons/reserves just because that's how things work.

What if he's not COMMANDER EVIL, but COMMANDER EVIL'S TRUSTED LIEUTENANT who is no leader of men, but as fierce as a tiger? Like, say, Lu Bu, the Flying General. Just a man, yes, but a man that required an entire party of adventurers to tie him up and a coalition of nations to kill him?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Dirk the Average posted:

On the other hand, part of what made wildshape (and all polymorph spells, really) broken and overpowered in 3.5 was that druids could dump str/dex (con still determined hp regardless of form) to their heart's content and still be a combat bruiser.

And also being able to troll through the Monster Manuals for exactly the right form to do whatever you wanted. It's a single power that's more powerful than most classes in the game.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Dodge Charms posted:

What class is Fafhrd? (IMHO he's sort of a Bard / Barbarian / Rogue.)

What class is the Gray Mouser? (IMHO he's a Wizard / Rogue / Fighter.)

What, you mean your game that's strongly inspired by the stories of Jack Vance simply cannot make two of his major protagonists without mashing three character archetypes together?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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thespaceinvader posted:

Seriously, this will be the argument. And probably with about that much brain behind it.

I'm pretty sure the argument will be 'But this time, it is fighters who are more powerful!' because fighters have more DPS, whereas spellcasters can merely solve any problem with the power of their mind.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Pumpkin_Paine posted:

You might get a title for figuring that one out, because god drat.

Could someone explain this whole thing? Because that riddle is hella crazy.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Lord_Ventnor posted:

So, why is the D&DN Thread also the cooking thread, anyways? They don't seem to be related, really.

Same reason prisons have knitting classes. It keeps us from shanking each other in the hallways.

EDIT: Incidentally, if you're a great big weeaboo like me, you'll enjoy Cookpad, Japan's biggest recipe site translated into English. Things I have learned from cookpad:

1. You can add matcha to literally any bread, pastry, or dessert.
2. Musical notes♪, stars☆, and emoji(*^^*) are all perfectly acceptable in a recipe book.
3. The most Halloween food is kabocha squash.
4. If it doesn't have matcha, it probably has adzuki bean paste.

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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PeterWeller posted:

Yeah, we're better than you sad mortals. :clint:

Texans are Elves. :eng101: They're obsessed with weapons (especially ranged ones), stereotypically live in nature despite most of the population living in cities, and they have an over-inflated sense of self-worth.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Razorwired posted:

No new games we can play. When SA was mocking the PFO Kickstarter there were talks of finding the cheapest cheeser weapon and staging a peasant revolt. One of the Devs then said that they'd ban whole guilds if they caught whiffs of GSF/SFD style shenanigans.

Which is too bad, because those guilds saved their respective MMOs. Does anyone know the state-of-the-art for bad Ryan Dancey MMO design decisions?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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EscortMission posted:

The reason Dungeon World's mechanics don't do quite the same thing is that you need to put in a bare minimum of effort to even roll, but after that its pretty much all just icing.

Also, the latter has the advantage that the GM doesn't have to decide if it's cool or not. GMing a hugely crunchy system like Exalted was hard enough without having to add on the difficulty of fairly judging aesthetic actions every single time someone does something, and the stunting bonus was big enough that it was a major effect on the fight.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Barudak posted:

They are a race of people who should not be capable of having organized society. While this is true of many fantasy races the Kender do it by hinging on something that no other sentient race could deal with even at their most wicked.

See, that isn't even that much of a problem, because if that was it, the PCs would say: "Okay, I take my poo poo back from the Kender, tie him up, and tattoo THEIF on his forehead exactly like the last dozen kender we met, and keep walking." The problem is that the book says that the bullshit Kender heap on everyone else is definitionally Good and Kind and Not Theft At All, and the only people who really hate the twee little fuckers are evil races like Draconians and Ogres and the like. They seriously encourage fishmalk behavior. Fishmalk is the as-written way to play them.

Basically, they're the single worst piece of game design from the 2e era, and that's saying a lot.

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Feb 15, 2012

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Transient People posted:

I was actually going to say Guilty Gear first, but I figured that may be a little too obscure. :v:

Guilty Gear (and other ArcSys fighting games) are an interesting example, because while most characters have some power that seems Completely loving Broken and weird as gently caress, every character's got a toolkit of basic moves (normals, movement abilities, dust, roman cancel and burst) that should allow a competitive player to come up with some response to any bullshit that anyone else can come up with. Persona 4 Arena adds to this by giving every character a simple bread-and-butter normals-to-special-to-super move combo that anyone can perform simply by hitting the light punch button repeatedly.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Night10194 posted:

Fantasy Epochs are one of those things where, if you want them to make any drat sense, you lop a zero off the end.

Yeah, that's about right. The Mayura Empire ended around 185 BC, and I can totally see some crazy Indian nationalist wanting to re-establish it, especially if it would summon Shiva to crush the non-believers.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Halloween Jack posted:

I always had the same issues with minotaur being a race. A race of cow-people is not interesting to me, for the same reason stirges are less interesting than the Stymphalian birds.

Minotaurs as a race could be pretty good, but they need a hook. Some answers to 'What's a Minotaur?'

A) All Minotaurs are descendants of Asterion, Son of Minos. They're all the god-accursed spawn of a beastial coupling with a holy bull, and they're also all of royal blood. Thus, in addition to monstrous strength, they possess a powerful ambition that they learn suckling at their mother's breast, for while their father may haul coal for the mine and their mother may dig ditches for potatoes, they are both of royal blood, and one day we will reclaim our rightful place as kings of this land. They're also surprisingly adept at curses.

B) Minotaurs are not from these lands. They come from the Labyrinth, their native home where they served as it's guardians. No mere maze can confuse their otherworldly minds, which do not think as we do. Their art makes other's heads spin. They have been driven out of their home land to these hills. Most Minotaurs are quite happy with these lands, for no matter how dangerous the place they live is, it's not nearly as deadly as The Labyrinth. However, a cult named The Sons of Asterion wants to return to the Labyrinth by rendering this entire world part of it. In some places- dark ruins, caverns, the occasional back alley- you can take a wrong turn, and find yourself Lost within the Labyrinth.

C) Minotaurs are the result of some wizard having combined bovines and humans into one body in the hopes of making a new super-soldier for their army. In this, he failed. They're extremely pacifist and docile, compared to any other species of man. They're commonly found as wetnurses for the nobility, monks, gardeners, farmers, apothecaries, scholars, watchmakers, jewelers, potters, glazers, antiques dealers, and any other job where being quiet, gentle, and thorough are virtues. The idea of a minotaur warrior is almost unthinkable, and they're near-universally vegetarians.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Daetrin posted:

Group stealth: "Use Magic. Or GM fiat."

A martial power that totally lets someone get stealthily infiltrated to a location by someone else despite limitations of armor, stealth, or size would be awesome. We could call it 'Tactical Genius'. :getin:

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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They could, in fact, make a Stupid Fighter. It'd take up, like, a single page, and the rest of us could have a Smart Actually Useful Fighter. Except the very existence of non-Stupid Fighters is anathema to the target demographic of this game, which is apparently people who don't play any RPGs aside from D&D 3.x and D&D 3.x clones.

Ratoslov
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Kai Tave posted:

So the Sorcerer, in this particular case, has gone from that thing that violated the sacred covenant of true Vancian casting to that class you take if you don't want to get up to quite as much caster bullshit but still be a caster to the way things have always been, which is where we are now.

Yay. So we'll be due for non-lovely fighters and dragon-mans being sacrosanct in 2019?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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dwarf74 posted:

News about traits & flaws from Mearls's twitter:

So, very Fate-like, in other words. Sounds good to me.

That doesn't sound so bad.

Where's the catch?

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Plutonis posted:

why the gently caress would they make the rat infested cellar a part of the playtesting other than irony

Because Mike Mearls. I don't know why Mike Mearls, but he does.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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I'm sure they'll resolve it by giving dragons spellcasting powers.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Rexides posted:

I bet that catgirl would still be a more effective class to play than a fighter.

Well, it'd be guaranteed to have some hideous 'mew mew i'm so fuckin' cute' out-of-combat abilities, which is more than can be said for Fighters. Maybe something about playing with a ball of yarn in a sexy way.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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if you haven't done it before, driving a rusty nail through your dick is a novel experience.

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Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

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Man, look at that well-prepared motherfucker. Not only does he wield Legendary Guitar Grecotch, but he's also got a backup instrument around his neck. This is not that bard's first time to the rodeo. I bet he's got a kazoo in his boot, too.

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