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Wait what? The waterpark model literally just becomes a birdhouse, the waterpark doesn't get built.
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:I paid good money to rent this movie years ago for some kids and if you guys are bewildered by this piece of poo poo, you should see the confused reactions of a 5 year old watching it. I thought a lot of the stuff that didn't make sense about the movie was  . Most of the humor, as I remember it, wasn't bee puns so much as everyone pointing out the that whole premise made no sense. Of course, that doesn't make it actually funny.
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Macaluso posted:Wait what? The waterpark model literally just becomes a birdhouse, the waterpark doesn't get built. There might have been a different version. God knows ENG got its share of frenetic revisions.
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Macaluso posted:Wait what? The waterpark model literally just becomes a birdhouse, the waterpark doesn't get built. Yeah, they actually changed it after his complaint.
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Pick posted:I am indeed tempted to review Shark Tale. I for one would love a whole "Pick Watches Justly Forgotten Animated Films So You Don't Have To" series. "Bee Movie" so far comes across as just as batshit insane as "Foodfight", except it supposedly had some effort put into it? Rahonavis fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Mar 18, 2013 05:52
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No no, watch Little Bee! edit oh god don't Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Mar 18, 2013 06:06
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Rahonavis posted:I for one would love a whole "Pick Watches Justly Forgotten Animated Films So You Don't Have To" series. "Bee Movie" so far comes across as just as batshit insane as "Foodfight", except it supposedly had some effort put into it? If you go through with this, please cover some of the later Don Bluth movies. For us. For the world
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Rahonavis posted:I for one would love a whole "Pick Watches Justly Forgotten Animated Films So You Don't Have To" series. "Bee Movie" so far comes across as just as batshit insane as "Foodfight", except it supposedly had some effort put into it? I won't lie, Shark Tale might be a bit of a disappointment, because though indescribably awful, it makes more sense and holds together better than Bee Movie. (Imagine, if you can, an even stupider Dragonheart.) I never thought I would compliment Shark Tale in any way, but there you are. I mean, in Bee Movie, you have bee hives billed as Jewish prison camps, but the world goes to poo poo when they stop. What the gently caress? Interestingly, in both Bee Movie (so far) and Shark Tale, the main villain (Patrick? I think? and then Shark Mafia Boss) are unambiguously the most sympathetic characters. Although Patrick is kind of a douche and Shark Mafia Boss is a loving father and all-around good guy  . It's like someone forgot that the villain has to do villainous things, especially if the protagonists spend most of the film doing villainous things.Magic Hate Ball posted:No no, watch Little Bee! jesus Pick fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Without really watching that view I'm sort of weirded out just how much those bees in Little Bee look like Jimmy Neutron characters. Or is it just me?
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Magic Hate Ball posted:No no, watch Little Bee! Haven't watched much of this, but I think the writing on it is actually much better than Bee Movie's.
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The one thing I think Bee Movie will be remembered for is just how insanely heavily it was hyped, well out of proportion to the extent anyone could have cared about it. Jerry Seinfeld was EVERYWHERE promoting this thing, there were special promotions for NBC called "Bee Movie TV Juniors" just to make it confusing, that led directly into the "Seinfeldvision" episode of 30 Rock (which is interesting at least in its acute foreshadowing of how far NBC would continue to fall), and of course after the movie had come out and made some not really memorable amount of money (I think it was successful? But nobody cared), for some reason that drat bee shows up at the Oscars. It was just weird.
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Maxwell Lord posted:made some not really memorable amount of money (I think it was successful? But nobody cared) According to Wikipedia: Budget $150 million Box office $287,594,577 But yeah that was really bizarre, for like six months it was just BEE MOVIE BEE MOVIE BEE MOVIE BEE MOVIE and I don't even remember it being in theaters or anyone I know seeing it.
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Hell, I'd forgotten this movie even existed until I stumbled upon this thread. I did vaguely remember Shark's Tale though, since that's been mentioned.
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Just further proof that Larry David was all the brains behind Seinfeld. Anyone see that awful marriage umpire show he cooked up? BTW, fantastic thread, Pick
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Magic Hate Ball posted:No no, watch Little Bee! Not only is this more informative than Bee Movie within the first ten minutes, holy god, the main character is voiced by Ash Ketchum [edit]Oh, are we nominating terrible forgotten animated films for Pick to watch? Because I've got to nominate Hoodwinked, the hee-larious 2005 fractured fairytale featuring the animation and topical humor of 1996. I haven't seen it, but I've never forgotten how hard it was pushed or how really very cruddy it looked. [/edit] bagshotrow fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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bagshotrow posted:Oh, are we nominating terrible forgotten animated films for Pick to watch? Because I've got to nominate Hoodwinked On that note, I might as well toss Doogal in the pile. I'm not enjoying the resurgence of all these CG crapfests in my brain, might as well force it on everyone else.
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quote:That expression is classic Newman. Wayne Knight should have voiced him for sure. Was he so sick of being typecast that he wanted nothing more to do with Seinfeld? "Hello, Barry..." PicklesMcGillicuddy fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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I'd completely forgotten (thankfully) most of the plot of Bee Movie, I just remembered the weird Jew analogues and that there was the question resounding around the film: 'why the hell did he follow up the most loved TV comedy ever with THIS?'. It doesn't really work on any level, as most kids aren't down for Larry King or Ray Liotta jokes and most adults would realise that the movie doesn't even function properly on any internal logic, or even generous Nickelodeon style insanity. Is Shark Tale the same level of quality? All I remember was the awful, awful, awful Christina Aguilera cover of 'Carwash' they were slinging as a tie in.
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Shark Tale is bad, but there's at least SOME logic and sense of cohesiveness to it. You can at least see what the movie was trying to do. Bee Movie is just the whole way through.
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I think the joke might really be as stupidly simple as the fact that Ray Liotta is one of those actors that's known for being in a lot of B-movies.
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Well, my eyes have been opened. I'd assumed Bee Movie was basically Antz with a different New York Jewish comedian in the lead role, but nope. A talking bee lusts after a human woman, then takes the American farming system to court. And I just looked at the Wikipedia plot summary to find that things get even loving weirder.  Is this Seinfeld's version of Freddie Got Fingered?
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Isn't the joke something stupid like being a rip-off of Newman's Own Salad Dressing? Just Actor Name + Food Product = joke?
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I can perfectly imagine an episode of Seinfeld starting, George and Jerry sitting in the coffeeshop, having a bored conversation about bees demanding justice from humans, and everything that entails, and the audience laughs because it's stupid. Then Elaine comes in and they all start talking about something else. This exact situation happened in real life, only Elaine never came in. And George was Steven Spielberg. Or Michael Eisner.
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 I found some more Bee Movie slash you're welcome.
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Troposphere posted:
Thank you so much  .
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FutonForensic posted:On that note, I might as well toss Doogal in the pile. I'm not enjoying the resurgence of all these CG crapfests in my brain, might as well force it on everyone else. Holy crap, how did they enlist all of these celebrities? At what point does a hollywood actor develop a sense of dignity that says "What? That looks loving awful. I'm not doing that." The very presence of Jimmy Fallon and Whoopi Goldberg should have been a red flag for some of these people.
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The best thing to come out of Bee Movie were the live action trailers, especially the one with Jerry being passive aggressive with Steven Spielberg
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bagshotrow posted:Holy crap, how did they enlist all of these celebrities? At what point does a hollywood actor develop a sense of dignity that says "What? That looks loving awful. I'm not doing that." The very presence of Jimmy Fallon and Whoopi Goldberg should have been a red flag for some of these people. It was a British animated movie that the Weinsteins decided to distribute stateside. The only voice actor who remained in the transition was Ian McKellen, every other character was re-dubbed with American actors because apparently American children can only understand American They not only re-dubbed the characters but re-wrote the dialogue, and in the case of Kevin Smith's character gave a character that was originally mute an internal monologue. The production was a pretty fascinating trainwreck of trying to copy Dreamworks' success with Shrek but seeming to have no idea what kids actually like. The best thing to come of it was when Roger Ebert was on The Daily Show around the time and Jon Stewart was making light of how awful his lines in the movie were.
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bagshotrow posted:Holy crap, how did they enlist all of these celebrities? At what point does a hollywood actor develop a sense of dignity that says "What? That looks loving awful. I'm not doing that." The very presence of Jimmy Fallon and Whoopi Goldberg should have been a red flag for some of these people. Celebrities like voice acting because they get an entire movie's pay for a day of work.
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Plus unless you're doing something really different like Rango, you can just come in to the recording booth and dress however you want.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Why is this film suddenly loving everywhere? Did the entire internet have a Bee Movie day that I somehow missed? Why am I so pumped for a Bee Movie thread? You know that poo poo in 'John Dies at the End' that claims when you hear a new word (or idea) for the very first time, you will hear it again within 24 hours? Yeah, it's true. It happened to me and Zebraz Pants. I can't believe this is what we got out of Jerry. And yet, he goes on to make something good like Comedians Getting Coffee in Cars. Maybe JS is one of those guys that really needs another person or two to bounce ideas off on.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:every other character was re-dubbed with American actors because apparently American children can only understand American No, it happened because in a year that also gave us Robots (Robin Williams), Corpse Bride (Johnny Depp), Chicken Little (Zach Braff), Hoodwinked (Anne Hathaway), and Madagascar (Ben Stiller), parents with young children plunking down forty bucks for an evening at the movies are not going to settle for (Jim Broadbent) and (Tom Baker).
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The Time Dissolver posted:No, it happened because in a year that also gave us Robots (Robin Williams), Corpse Bride (Johnny Depp), Chicken Little (Zach Braff), Hoodwinked (Anne Hathaway), and Madagascar (Ben Stiller), parents with young children plunking down forty bucks for an evening at the movies are not going to settle for (Jim Broadbent) and (Tom Baker). Wow, what a really terrible year for animation. I don't remember even seeing this movie publicized in my city. And I'm having a lot of trouble imagining Jon Stewart and Tom Baker portraying the same role.
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The one thing I remember about this movie, which you touch on briefly, is that honey is literally EVERYTHING. Fuel? Honey. Money? Honey. Hair gel? Honey.
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Clicking this thread was the best decision I've made in a while. Please do Doogal next!
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Chapter 10: this bee's loving face, jesus One of the reasons I've slightly put off this chapter is it's a difficult chapter for me to watch or think about, since it's so loving offensive on so many levels.  Patrick comes home to see Vanessa totally having an affair with this loving bee. Now I know that different people have different standards for "cheating". I mean, her lips aren't around his penis, but this is about 92% of the way there. They're sharing dinner alone together at Vanessa/Patrick's place without Patrick, and without even letting Patrick know, while they make the creepiest loving goo-goo eyes at one another (while Blue is sitting in Barbie furniture that Vanessa has for some reason). There are red roses on the table, naturally. Vanessa, of course, made dinner for Blue and they're celebrating and by the way, that's why I thought the case was over last time, when it actually wasn't. The resolution is dumber than Ray Liotta hating Jews. But I digress! quote:
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Well, hello. 
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Long time? What are you talking about?! Are there other bugs in your life?
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Carthag posted:Fantastic thread. I'd never seen the movie, and now I don't need to! I am not joking when I say the eyes track really poorly the entire film, and I've taken care to try to show screencaps where they're not hosed up.
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Just noticed she was wearing yellow and black during the trial, because bees.
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