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Manky posted:This doesn't always work, but I have one decent strategy for two shotting those guys. Watch 'em carefully. If they're just mashing on lmb, most vg weapons start out swinging right to left. Get the timing right and sprint past the vg. Use your alt-lmb with something fast as you're passing him so ideally you're almost hitting him off your screen. If that hit connects, spin around and try to stay behind him while you get an overhead off. If the vg is being tricky with a decent weapon, just disengage with a dodge and bolt. Slappy Moose posted:I don't know how they can turn so fast while swinging, while I'm unable to turn that fast even as an MAA. It's just really annoying how hard it is to beat such a lovely, easy-to-use tactic. The problem with the kite shield is that small shields semi recently got nerfed, so they are harder to block with than a simple parry. Also VG weapons go through my blocks pretty often, so I hardly bother using them anymore. Maybe you're coming too close to them? Because facehugging does make things very buggy, yeah. az posted:3rd person let's you turn around like a spastic while swinging
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It works though you can turn much more in 3rd person. And since you wrote about flinching people, is there any good reason why pretty often I attack people and they don't flich, which then means they continue their attack and I get clobbered despite getting them first?
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az posted:It works though you can turn much more in 3rd person. I've seen something about this in this community guide, I'm not sure how accurate or correct it is, but I haven't tested much either way: steam user SgtSlaughter posted:1. The "initiative" system
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Apr 8, 2013 13:00
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I don't think it's that complex. What usually happens is that you hit someone in the tail-end of their attack, but just before they start winding up for their followup. Since you can't flinch people that have already started swinging, they'll be able to get their combo in anyways. This means that if your timing is wrong, (i.e. you got hit by a maul and get flinched, then try to attack back with your dagger) you'll never actually hit them in their windup. v It really does seem like the maps are mostly designed just to look cool, with gameplay being a mere afterthought. Exodee fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Apr 8, 2013 |
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Apr 8, 2013 13:14
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Just coming back from playing an hour, got stuck in terrain at least a dozen times. I've never seen any game or mod on the unreal engine that had maps with this many geometry issues  edit: At one point I was dueling a knight in enclosed spaces, strafed into the wall and got hitched on it. I tried to break free but I only kept moving upwards until he was slashing at my feet from below 
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Apr 8, 2013 13:59
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YF-23 posted:I've seen something about this in this community guide, I'm not sure how accurate or correct it is, but I haven't tested much either way: That's really interesting, thanks. It actually explains some things I've noticed, though I can't vouch for it 100% either. The geometry sucks sometimes. As you get more familiar with maps you get better at avoiding certain trouble spots. Also turn your fov all the way up. And if you haven't given third person a chance, you might as well go for it. I gave it a shot after I died stuck on roots one too many times. Boy it helps.
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Exodee posted:Maybe you're coming too close to them? Because facehugging does make things very buggy, yeah. az posted:And since you wrote about flinching people, is there any good reason why pretty often I attack people and they don't flich, which then means they continue their attack and I get clobbered despite getting them first? az posted:edit: At one point I was dueling a knight in enclosed spaces, strafed into the wall and got hitched on it. I tried to break free but I only kept moving upwards until he was slashing at my feet from below Chivalry maps are basically 50/50 normal-ground/flypaper. Slappy Moose fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Apr 8, 2013 |
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Apr 8, 2013 16:27
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Speaking of face hugging being buggy anybody else notice that your swings seem faster while face hugging? Noticed this big time with the hunting knife while arching. Someone even accused me of a speedhack.
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Anybody tried the Bushido mod for this? If so how is it? Also we should gang up for a game some time. JohnsonsJohnson posted:Speaking of face hugging being buggy anybody else notice that your swings seem faster while face hugging? Noticed this big time with the hunting knife while arching. Someone even accused me of a speedhack. That's because the closer the enemies hitboxes are to your weapon at the beginning of the attack the faster it connects and resets. I belive at least I can't speak on anything for certain in this game because some things seem like magic. az fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 8, 2013 |
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Apr 8, 2013 17:01
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Isn't Bushido not even out yet? They JUST got their first player model in, didn't they? The Archer.
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Babe Magnet posted:Isn't Bushido not even out yet? They JUST got their first player model in, didn't they? The Archer. Yeah, i don't think it's out yet. Looks like its coming along nicely though. http://www.moddb.com/mods/bushido-medieval-warfare
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Apr 9, 2013 11:23
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The other day I found out that you can one hand the Longsword, SoW, and Messer by hitting 1 with a shield equipped. I've also found that jumping off high ledges to obliterate people below you is hilarious. Stoneshill and Dark Forest are great for this. 
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Robot Randy posted:I've also found that jumping off high ledges to obliterate people below you is hilarious. Stoneshill and Dark Forest are great for this. In one game on Citadel, before the last patch, I was playing Agatha. On the first part I was running to the right side hole on the wall, there was a Mason Knight with a maul waiting at the top of the wall. He dropped down and smashed my head with an overhead. It is the coolest way I've died in this game so far.
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Apr 13, 2013 20:02
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Recently I played with a goon going by Ramses Luther Smuckles and it made me realize that this could easily become the Great Outdoor Fight. I need a 64 person, fist-only server for ffa/last man standing. And if it doesn't exist, I want to know how much it would cost.
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Apr 14, 2013 13:51
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How in fucks name is someone supposed be good at archery without some kind of hack? I just tried my hand at it for about an hour and a half and got 1 kill. none of the 4 initial bows do enough damage unless you headshot, and that is a manner of luck. I can't get them to hit people that are standing still, much less people that are moving. I leveled the javelins in like 3 hours, just getting the second bow and crossbow took me about 4-5 hours, and getting anywhere further is just agonizing.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:01
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The key is putting as many projectiles downfield as possible in the shortest amount of time. So use the sling  I don't know if they buffed the quarterstaff or what, but holy poo poo does it own hard. Sidestepping every swing from a Vanguard or Knight while you wreck them is extremely satisfying. Is seems the alt horizontal comes out really quickly, so I've been using that to tag people as I circle around them and run past. 
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Apr 15, 2013 01:39
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I just treated Archer as if I had shotguns. Get right up next to people so that you can't miss. Beyond that, good luck. An archer out past like 20 meters is about as good to the team as someone who's AFK unless they're ridiculously good.
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Apr 15, 2013 04:56
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Archery feels pretty clunky in this game, but there is an element of skill to it that you'll pick up as you play it more. It takes a while, for certain. It does depend on some manner of luck on the longer shots, as you not only have to line up a good shot that properly leads your target, but they also have to not significantly (read, one step in the wrong direction) deviate from the path you expect them to take, due to the crap hitboxes and slow projectile speed. Every once in a while playing Archer you'll enter rear end in a top hat Zen and just start tagging people across the map constantly, which almost makes it worth it to play the most annoying class.
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Apr 15, 2013 05:09
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Archery is fun because there is that achievement to shoot the short bow 10,000 times, and I bet it doesn't even work like half the other achievements.
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Apr 15, 2013 05:22
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Archery is fantastic to be decent at because the amount of people bitching about archery in one form or another will never stop. If I'm using a bow and I miss, I'm "useless", if I'm using a bow and I hit you I'm "hacking".
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Babe Magnet posted:Archery is fantastic to be decent at because the amount of people bitching about archery in one form or another will never stop. If I'm using a bow and I miss, I'm "useless", if I'm using a bow and I hit you I'm "hacking". I've literally never seen anyone complain that an archer is hacking or too good. I have, however, seen at least one person on approximately 50% or more of every server I've been on complain at being hit by their own archers too many times. I've also been that person, except I usually do something about it when an archer loving sucks, and will tell them that if they don't change classes that I'm going to loving kill them. Then they usually ignore me and keep pegging teammates in the back because they are awful and don't understand anything at all about friendly fire or proper support fire, so I just murder them until they quit. I need a killallarchers.jpg
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My favourite are archers who sit around "sniping" on that wooden log barricade thing that Mason spawns behind on the trebuchet TO map, because I can kick them off into the sea below. The best one was this one guy who wised up after a couple kicks, so he stood in the middle of the thing instead of on the edge. Subsequently he got ganged up on by me and two other dudes and chain-kicked into the sea. I'm pretty sure he quit after that.
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I just bought this game. Is there a preferred game-mode to play when you're just starting out? I did the basic and advanced combat training, then I hopped on a free-for-all server. It didn't go well  There were too many dudes slashing me at the same time. I did stab some people, and even managed to take someone out with a throwing axe, so I felt pretty bad rear end. EDIT: also, how well would a controller work for this game? shut up blegum fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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beedeebee posted:I just bought this game. Is there a preferred game-mode to play when you're just starting out? I did the basic and advanced combat training, then I hopped on a free-for-all server. It didn't go well Free for all is retarded in this game. It's basically a bunch of vanguards mashing LMB and getting vulture kills with their 360 degree angle of attack. Team objective is where the game shines, while capture the flag, team deathmatch, and last team standing (counterstrike) are fun occasionally.
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First check out the two tutorial videos in the OP. It might take a while before you can fully appreciate it, but they give some very good tips. I think team objective is the best mode to start with. FFA is usually a crapshoot. Its very good for unlocking weapons, but unless someone quite skilled show up its usually just whoever gets the most double kills by interfering with fights wins. Try out TO until you get a better idea of how the game works then try duel mode occasionally to hone your skills. The things to focus on in TO are positioning, movement and when to attack. If your allies are close, try to focus on thrusts or overhead chops. If 2 or more of your allies are attacking someone, find a different target. Slashing with a large weapon when your allies are close will usually just hit them and piss them off. Eventually you'll have a good feel of when to use each attack, when to be aggressive and when being defensive is better.
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These two dingbats before me forgot the most important piece of advice: always be mashing c while sprinting, and at all other times you should be spamming x-x-2/3.
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Apr 17, 2013 11:47
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Plus, you die a lot in the game, especially at the start. Just roll with it, and try to attack either isolated enemies or in mob vs. mob combat (using pokes or overheads, don't horizontal swing. FF is always on)
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Node posted:Free for all is retarded in this game. It's basically a bunch of vanguards mashing LMB and getting vulture kills with their 360 degree angle of attack. Team objective is where the game shines, while capture the flag, team deathmatch, and last team standing (counterstrike) are fun occasionally. Free for all is great for loving around, especially since there's an inordinate amount of people who take FFA very, very seriously. There's nothing quite like punching a Zweïhander Vanguard to death while he whines incessantly in chat about how fists are OP. I also got banned from a 24/7 Tavern server ( the fist-only FFA map ) for punching somebody outside the designated punching zone. EDIT: Actually let me elaborate a bit. The Tavern map has a basement with a boxing ring in it, so it's often used for punching duels. It's generally accepted that boxing matches should be left alone, and that it's very annoying to kill someone who's just watching the fight. What happened though is that a few players decided they were the champions of justice and virtue. They switched to Knight, and then guarded the entrance to the boxing ring, only letting people who bow to pass, to prove your e-honor or something. I wasn't about to cause trouble in the ring, but these guys were just way too fun to mess with. I'd go down there, bow, walk pass them, then punch one in the back of the head. They would immediately abandon their post and chase me around the boxing ring while I dodged them, laughing, until they cornered me and I died. I would do this over and over again, and they fell for it every single time. I was votekicked several times. Then a few admins came on, and one of them decided to flip the rules around. Nobody could fight unless they were in the tiny boxing ring, but you could punch anyone that was in. I thought this was dumb as hell. I punched the admin and got banned. Elth fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Node posted:Free for all is retarded in this game. It's basically a bunch of vanguards mashing LMB and getting vulture kills with their 360 degree angle of attack. Team objective is where the game shines, while capture the flag, team deathmatch, and last team standing (counterstrike) are fun occasionally. Also, Last Team Standing is horseshit because if you die early you're stuck for several minutes waiting for the round to finish, while you spectate the last two archers having a sick sniper duel across the map. I'd say that for a new player, just get into TO or if you REALLY want something simpler to start with, go Team Deathmatch instead of LTS.
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Plus, you die a lot in the game, especially at the start. Just roll with it, and try to attack either isolated enemies or in mob vs. mob combat (using pokes or overheads, don't horizontal swing. FF is always on)
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Yeah, I died a lot. Watched those video's in the OP, and while I understand the mechanics and what they're saying, I find it really hard to use in game. I guess practice makes perfect, because now I can hit someone, but my blocking is awful and I miss a ton It's fun though.
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I feel like I've learned a lot about mechanics from dueling people. The FFA servers labeled as duel are my favorite so far. They tend to have a small community, and when one duelist gets an arrow in the back from an archer, the whole server drops everything and hunts the offender down all the while screaming kill the archer.
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Elth posted:I'd go down there, bow, walk pass them, then punch one in the back of the head. They would immediately abandon their post and chase me around the boxing ring while I dodged them, laughing, until they cornered me and I died. I would do this over and over again, and they fell for it every single time. I was votekicked several times. Was this you? It sounds like the server I was on the other day, with two guys acting as bouncers for the fight club. It was my first time trying out the tavern map and someone was indeed taking issue to the fights not being conducted properly. Wanted 1v1s in the ring when everyone was more interested in 3v3s, Battle Royals and kick-only matches. e: drat that's one bad quality video
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Boogalo posted:I feel like I've learned a lot about mechanics from dueling people. Best thing for the archer here is to kill himself right away and respawn as another class. Then, as along as people are stupid which they are more often then not, they will all hunt for the non-existent archer. That makes for a successful troll usually.
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Cass posted:Was this you? It sounds like the server I was on the other day, with two guys acting as bouncers for the fight club. It was my first time trying out the tavern map and someone was indeed taking issue to the fights not being conducted properly. Wanted 1v1s in the ring when everyone was more interested in 3v3s, Battle Royals and kick-only matches. It's not me, but I was doing pretty much the exact same thing. The name of the server was "Daddy Cool" and my name at the time was "Legalize Gay Weed Marriage".
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The ring has a bell? Who knew.
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You know, every time I play this game I can only marvel at just how rough around the edges the hit detection in melee is. I can see why Slappy Moose is such an angry, angry Scotsman. I mean, I certainly don't remember Jedi Outcast/Academy having weird hit detection bugs when you got up in someone's face with a lightsaber, and that came out... what, ten years ago?
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Apr 19, 2013 09:40
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I played more Jedi Outcast/Academy duels than I care to admit to. I can attest to some real bullshit in that game. Plus, if so inclined, you could spin like a jackass and instagib someone.
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Hilarion posted:I played more Jedi Outcast/Academy duels than I care to admit to. I can attest to some real bullshit in that game. Plus, if so inclined, you could spin like a jackass and instagib someone. So how is this any different?
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No, not spin like vanguards in this game spin. I mean spin like a speedballing ballerina with a lightstick spin.
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