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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Think of good post
Wait I got I zinger!


Clarste posted:

Touhou doesn't really have anything objectionable that a censor would need to change, does it? Well, I guess there's the whole afterlife/religion thing which is omnipresent, but it seems simple enough to just never mention it at all. Heck, we even had someone in this thread who figured all that was just part of Gensokyo with no deeper meaning.

Clarste posted:

Maybe I'm just insane, but I think about this stuff a lot. I mean, Touhou. I guess you could say I overanalyze it as a hobby.
I'd rather be the first thing than the second though.

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Dub names for touhou characters

Guys what are we gonna call alice????

Namtab fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2013 around 13:47

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ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

DUNSON'D


Namtab posted:

Guys what are we gonna call alice????

[sarcasm]lice because she is a parasite and i don't like the dumb bitch[/sarcasm]

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007



DrSunshine posted:

Christianssen. Melissa Christianssen.

I approve of a scandinavian touhou.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Namtab posted:

Guys what are we gonna call alice????

Patricia, of course.

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES


Namtab posted:

Guys what are we gonna call alice????

Arisa. Everyone makes fun of her stupid name.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005


Clever Betty

Bob

Dogbutt
Nov 25, 2011

Look at my face.


Her name would be Mary because she is a marionette.

...Wait.

Casull
Aug 13, 2005




Her name is Bob and she's going to make the best drat burger: The Aya Shameizola with bunbunbers!

I've been watching too much Archer lately. e: I also need to actually start watching Bob's Burgers.

Casull fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2013 around 21:24

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES


Casull posted:

Her name is Bob and she's going to make the best drat burger: The Aya Shameizola with bunbunbers!

I've been watching too much Archer lately.

That's not even the right H. Jon Benjamin vehicle <>

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

Yuyuko's new name would be Yolanda.
What about Youmu and Sanae?

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

Hazdoc posted:

Yuyuko's new name would be Yolanda.
What about Youmu and Sanae?

Sanae would be Sarah, perhaps.

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless


Hazdoc posted:

Yuyuko's new name would be Yolanda.
What about Youmu and Sanae?

Shawna

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!


Yekaterina for Youmu. She could be Russian!

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax


On the subject of names, I'm still weirded out by Flandre's. It's not spelled the way Flandre normally is in katakana - it has a long o, like Fran Doll from Turn A Gundam. Flandre's a better name than that, but I wonder if that's what he was actually going for.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

FULL OF TERRIBLE IDEAS AND BAD-FAITH ARGUMENTS


College Slice

HMS Boromir posted:

On the subject of names, I'm still weirded out by Flandre's. It's not spelled the way Flandre normally is in katakana - it has a long o, like Fran Doll from Turn A Gundam. Flandre's a better name than that, but I wonder if that's what he was actually going for.

I always had the impression it was meant to approximate the French pronunciation.

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax


Misguidedly, perhaps. I speak French, there ain't no long-rear end vowel there.

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

You don't pronounce the e in Flandre's name, right?
Argh, thinking about character name pronunciation reminds me of Cirno. Threw me for a loop the first time I actually heard her name the way its supposed to be said.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

FULL OF TERRIBLE IDEAS AND BAD-FAITH ARGUMENTS


College Slice

Hazdoc posted:

You don't pronounce the e in Flandre's name, right?
Argh, thinking about character name pronunciation reminds me of Cirno. Threw me for a loop the first time I actually heard her name the way its supposed to be said.

I always pronounce it as "Sir-no", though I understand its closer to "Cherno", which is Russian for "Black", which is the opposite of white which is the traditional colour for snow, signifying that while Cirno claims to be the strongest she is rather the weakest.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Her name is pronounced "Chi-roo-no", and Чёрный is something like "Chi-or-nee". I don't see a connection.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at May 1, 2013 around 21:51

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


Cirno is pronounced something close to "cheer-no". It sounds vaguely Italian to me, but I don't know a word of Italian so take that with a grain of salt.

Flandre is... a pretty big liberty taken by the translators. Unlike the rest of the Windows games, EoSD didn't have romanized names for the characters, and of the cast of EoSD only Rumia and Flandre have never appeared again. It's written in katakana as fu-ran-dō-ru, which would be pronounced something like "Frandoll". Her name does appear in PMiSS though, as sort of a signature on her portrait. It's handwritten, but to me it looks like Frandlo. Maybe Frandle. Although neither of those spellings would explain the long o sound.

In short, while it's currently impossible to change the fandom's perception of her name, ultimately it comes from translators making stuff up.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Clarste posted:

of the cast of EoSD only Rumia and Flandre have never appeared again.

They're both in PMiSS and StB.

As I recall, the consensus is that フランドール is an attempt to say Flanders in Japanese. Flandre is a decent enough compromise between the original name and the katakana.

Copycat Zero
Dec 30, 2004

ニャ~

Clarste posted:

Cirno is pronounced something close to "cheer-no". It sounds vaguely Italian to me, but I don't know a word of Italian so take that with a grain of salt.

I seem to recall that one of the earliest fanarts Dr. Sunshine did was of an Italian Cirno, so you might not be alone in that?

Clarste posted:

In short, while it's currently impossible to change the fandom's perception of her name, ultimately it comes from translators making stuff up.

Related: The fact that everyone refers to Alice's PCB stage theme as "The Dollmaker of Bucuresti", because whoever first translated it couldn't be assed to put ブクレシュティ into English like the rest of the title instead of just transliterating the katakana and thus putting it into Romanian.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Think of good post
Wait I got I zinger!


But how do I pronounce Reimu???

Reim?
Ray-moo?
Ree-moé?

Please help.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn


Jeez Namtab, follow the conversation.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


BlitzBlast posted:

They're both in PMiSS and StB.

I meant "showed up in a game" so I wasn't counting PMiSS, but I completely forgot about StB. Does it have the characters' names written in English though? I can't remember off the top of my head, but it doesn't have healthbars which is where they normally appear.

PMiSS does have their names written down, but it comes in the form of signatures so it's not always clear. Also Remilia misspells Scarlet as Scaret. Rumia is Rumia and Flandre is Frandle.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

DUNSON'D


Marisa is Marisa
Reimu is Reimu
Flandre is Flandre
Chemestry is Kemestry because english is loving weird
Furthermore do you know what I think about this debate?


You may continue being stupid thanks~

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax


Copycat Zero posted:

Related: The fact that everyone refers to Alice's PCB stage theme as "The Dollmaker of Bucuresti", because whoever first translated it couldn't be assed to put ブクレシュティ into English like the rest of the title instead of just transliterating the katakana and thus putting it into Romanian.

I also speak Romanian and find this perfectly acceptable.

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

ElMaligno posted:

Marisa is Marisa
Reimu is Reimu
Flandre is Flandre
Chemestry is Kemestry because english is loving weird
Furthermore do you know what I think about this debate?


You may continue being stupid thanks~

I'm fairly sure nobody was debating, people were just making up names for people.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!


ElMaligno posted:

Reimu is Reimu
Depends on what game you're playing.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011



Hey a new chapter of Forbidden Scrollery has been translated.



Germany now confirmed part of Touhou canon.

Also, that youkai flying with Lily White showed up in Curiosities of Lotus Asia where her most notable actions were reading a book once and getting beat up by Reimu and Marisa for reading a book, so I guess it makes sense she makes a cameo appearance in a manga about a librarian?

Oh and Yuuka shows up as a tiny background character with no lines again. Suck it, Yuuka fans.

Golden Battler
Sep 6, 2010

~Perfect and Elegant~


Here, have a dude singing(?) an acapella version of U.N. Owen Was Her.

Leviathean
Oct 22, 2012

?


Clarste posted:

Flandre is... a pretty big liberty taken by the translators. Unlike the rest of the Windows games, EoSD didn't have romanized names for the characters, and of the cast of EoSD only Rumia and Flandre have never appeared again. It's written in katakana as fu-ran-dō-ru, which would be pronounced something like "Frandoll". Her name does appear in PMiSS though, as sort of a signature on her portrait. It's handwritten, but to me it looks like Frandlo. Maybe Frandle. Although neither of those spellings would explain the long o sound.

In short, while it's currently impossible to change the fandom's perception of her name, ultimately it comes from translators making stuff up.

Copycat Zero posted:

Related: The fact that everyone refers to Alice's PCB stage theme as "The Dollmaker of Bucuresti", because whoever first translated it couldn't be assed to put ブクレシュティ into English like the rest of the title instead of just transliterating the katakana and thus putting it into Romanian.

Forgive us. Back then (before IN and IOSYS) we only had maybe 20-30 people playing the games on our shmup forums. We really enjoyed the aesthetics and not-arcade-hard difficulty of EoSD and PCB, and only wanted to know why these girls were fighting. So we tried our hand at translating, even though none of us really knew Japanese. I ended up helping out with the enemy Spell Card translations (and taking screenshots of each one because I wanted to show how beautiful they were), and editing the machine translations into something "okay enough" for our small forum.

So yeah, I vaguely remember the "Frandoll" vs "Flandre" discussion we had. Our decision was fairly arbitrary, but along the lines of "which name gets more hits in a search engine"?

There were other issues, like what to call the boss species? Should we use the literal term "youkai" and just leave it as is for that Eastern feel, or use some localized term like "monster", "phantom", "mythical being"/"myth"? Should we call Yuyuko's location "White Jade Tower" just like how we localized the "Scarlet Devil Mansion", or leave it as "Hakugyokurou"? Why the hell is Cirno talking about English beef? Man, we really had no idea what we were doing, or how big this series would eventually get.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink


Leviathean posted:

Why the hell is Cirno talking about English beef?

...has there ever been an answer for this?

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Leviathean posted:

So we tried our hand at translating, even though none of us really knew Japanese. I ended up helping out with the enemy Spell Card translations (and taking screenshots of each one because I wanted to show how beautiful they were), and editing the machine translations into something "okay enough" for our small forum.

This explains so, so much.

Have you ever considered going back and making a retranslation with the help of the now massive Touhou community? Or do you feel that it's all just set in stone at this point and there's no point trying to fix things up?

Schwarzwald posted:

...has there ever been an answer for this?

Alcohol.

BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at May 3, 2013 around 03:41

Squiddycat
Jan 14, 2010

There's a super special, super popular thing called spaghetti that I want to try!

Lipstick Apathy

Leviathean posted:

So yeah, I vaguely remember the "Frandoll" vs "Flandre" discussion we had. Our decision was fairly arbitrary, but along the lines of "which name gets more hits in a search engine"?


Uh excuse me buddy but this official™ merchandise (a card) I have of the character in question says "Frandoll". Look at what you've done!

leather fedora
Jun 26, 2004

The closest acceptable translation is
"die properly"


Tortured By Flan

Well, Cirno's theme song title has been fixed, so I don't see why a few other things about that game can't be, considering how big that song has gotten thanks to Cirno's Perfect Math Class.

Also it should be "Was She U.N. Owen?" imo

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Think of good post
Wait I got I zinger!


The real answer is that none of this "true translation" stuff matters in a game series about shooting each other with beautiful bullets.

Whether it's Flandre, Flandoll, or Flanrananamfkjahnlka it doesn't change the fact that she's Reimilia's little sister and the EX boss in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, which is literally all of the plot about her that actually matters.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.


Yeah, she's pretty much the least important character in the series. Also EoSD was written before there was a real setting in place. MoF and onwards seems to be when ZUN decided to start worldbuilding. I guess you can count PMiSS in there too, since it was clearly written to foreshadow MoF.

leather fedora
Jun 26, 2004

The closest acceptable translation is
"die properly"


Tortured By Flan

Namtab posted:

The real answer is that none of this "true translation" stuff matters in a game series about shooting each other with beautiful bullets.

Whether it's Flandre, Flandoll, or Flanrananamfkjahnlka it doesn't change the fact that she's Reimilia's little sister and the EX boss in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, which is literally all of the plot about her that actually matters.
Considering how the EoSD crew is far and away the most popular group of characters in the fandom, it kind of matters a bit imo

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GC_ChrisReeves
Dec 16, 2004



"You're going to be...amazing."

Namtab posted:

The real answer is that none of this "true translation" stuff matters in a game series about shooting each other with beautiful bullets.

Whether it's Flandre, Flandoll, or Flanrananamfkjahnlka it doesn't change the fact that she's Reimilia's little sister and the EX boss in Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, which is literally all of the plot about her that actually matters.

Is that Finnish?

Also speaking of: http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1408529?pool_id=1754

And this was in the comments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAl9OyGYxOg

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