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CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


Pierson posted:

This is everyone's excuse to post their favourite Touhou comics. Go.

No such summary is complete without Setz's 4 panel comics ( for Danbooru ads). Our very own Dr Sunshine has his/her own Touhou comics as well (again, Danbooru ads).

That said, I have to admit I don't know many Touhou comics; I'm a music guy myself, so for the benefit of Evil Sagan and other Touhou newbies, allow me:

Let's start off with one of my favourite themes (it's certainly the one with my favourite remixes), Marisa's Love-Coloured Master Spark. Let's start off gently by fusing it with Iron Maiden's Aces High in Aquaelie's version*. Man, that's got you headbanging right? Might want to invest in a neck brace and a good lawyer, buddy, because Magnum Opus's take and Sonic Hispeed Omega's Shoot Through the Galaxy, Final Master Spark!!! are gonna give you some serious whiplash. Now, I'll assume you've won your lawsuit and are rolling in the big cash monies- I'd suggest you splurge it all on an orchestra so that they can play Alternative's take on Master Spark, maybe a jazz band to play YOU ARE MINE, or maybe you're gonna take it simple and buy yourself a piano, so you can practice From Manhattan With Love, part 2 by Azure & Sands. Or maybe you'll just throw caution to the wind and dump all your newfound riches on the finest orchestra available to play WAVE's Powered by Maxwell's Demon.

You know what? I'll take that as an opportunity to segue into my favourite music circle, WAVE and their member Morrigan. They started out experimenting with orchestral and electronic styles, but are best known for their orchestral arranges, at least to me. Let's start off with the original Border of Life and then bring around Wave's choral version. Maybe something a bit more imperious is to your taste? Sure, let's start out with a base of Hiroari Shoots A Strange Bird 'Til When?, and then add in some Morrigan/Wave and stir until you end up with Ancient Sword. Finally, their ultimate track(s) in my opinion, both variants on Judgement of Sixty Years: first is Guilty or not Guilty, which has a focus on wind instruments, and next is T, 1948,12 Yama of Xanadu with its choral emphasis. But why settle for just one, when you can have both in this mashup of the previous two versions?

And I'd of course be extremely remiss in not posting at least a few arranges of my avatar, the ice fairy Cirno. Starting off with her theme, Beloved Tomboyish Girl, we move onto a jazzy version from the fighting game Hisoutensoku, then follow that fast pace up with Sound Sepher's trance take. Next thing we do is turn things up a notch with Tutti Sound's arrange, Tutti Sound being another group I must expand on later. Now, let's recharge your batteries with both Virus key's waltz and Liverne's absolutely beautiful take on the plucky nature spirit. Finally, we finish things off with what must be objectively the best Touhou arrange ever. Nope, this is not up for debate, pipe down Namtab. We can debate all we want on who's the best Touhou, but when it comes to musical arrangements this cannot brook any debate

*Not the first time Touhou music's been fused with the West; take one scoop Rigid Paradise, get some quirkiness from the circle IOSYS, and you get the SECOND best Touhou arrange in existence.

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at May 15, 2014 around 13:29

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Squiddycat
Jan 14, 2010

There's a super special, super popular thing called spaghetti that I want to try!

Lipstick Apathy

Could we perhaps get a tournament host that is impartial?

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011



Pro PoFV advise for the tournament: Always pick Merlin Prismriver, you cannot possibly go wrong with her.

MadRhetoric
Feb 18, 2011

I POSSESS QUESTIONABLE TASTE IN TOUHOU GAMES


^ I only played PoFV once and even I know that's bullshit advice.

Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth is objectively the best Touhou comic.

Karaagetarou's stuff is good, Gensokomuten's stuff is good, Bomber Grape's stuff is good, Imizu's stuff is good (don't read Magnum Koishi ever unless you like chicks with dicks), Warugaki's trip reports are good, Tag Dream is good but has racy outfits, Futa492's stuff is good (avoid anything that's X Shopkeeper and the one where Marisa and her SA shot types get drunk and talk about how they want to get hosed by Rinnosuke), jiroo is cool but depressing, the Omito series is cool and Good Day! Myouren Temple is cool but has dirty jokes.

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 22, 2011



Oh goddamn you guys rule. I'm listening to all the songs CommissarMega posted while reading Forbidden Scrollery. All I can see is danmaku! I'm probably gonna start puking bullets by the end of the night.

I'm getting better at IN. I managed to get to Eirin's very last spellcard with just one bomb left... sadly it was not enough. I had to quit because after that I started making stupid mistakes in the early stages.

The sad thing is, I would have had this down hours ago if I let myself use five lives instead of just three. But drat, when I finally make it, I'm gonna be so drat proud.

And then I have to make the 1cc attempt

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!


Pierson posted:

(This is everyone's excuse to post their favourite Touhou comics. Go.)

Chihiro/KEMONOMICHI and Bomber Grape are cool I think

Hedera Helix fucked around with this message at Aug 20, 2013 around 05:07

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Evil Sagan posted:

I'm getting better at IN. I managed to get to Eirin's very last spellcard with just one bomb left... sadly it was not enough. I had to quit because after that I started making stupid mistakes in the early stages.

I'm assuming you mean her second-to-last since her actual final one lets you fail.

The key to beating Astrological Entombing is to focus on destroying the familiars. Once you take down the majority of them the spell becomes much less of a mess, and in fact it's one of the (vanishingly few) times Magic Team is straight up the best option.

Also I guess I'll repost that big list of recommended reading I made.

BlitzBlast posted:

As a general thing, anything from Bear's Walking Path, Bomber Grape, FLIPFLOPs, Strange Chameleon, Happy Flame Time, Ennui Akadako (if you like game jokes), or Saku Saku Tei will be a nice, fun read. Akatsuki Dou and STRIPE PATTERN are decent choices if you like your Touhous grim, and Yakumi Sarai's works are a decent blend between the two (though if you ask me, most of his endings are kind of flat). And if you're fine with AU, gensoukoumuten does excellent work (unless you're a diehard fan of Marisa anyways ).

For specific stuff, Morino Hon's Omoito, Mitter Nacht Biblioth's Autumn Night Dusk, DEMOUR402's A Better Tomorrow, Haniwa Store's Miko Miko Suika, Iyokan's Though the Wind Cries, and Wi-Z Garage's 30 are favorites of mine. And if you're fine with shipping, Personal Color's Meeting You in a Dream is a really pretty book.

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011



Hey guys, just a reminder, a couple pages ago someone got probated for linking to danbooru, with :nsfw: tags and everything. You might wanna cool it with the links or rehost those comics or whatever, Zorak doesn't take too kindly to people linking to a site pretty much dedicated to peddling cartoon porn.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


You know what the best/worst thing about the Touhou fandom is? The fact that there's so much of it out in the open. Sure, a lot of is is terrible and/or porn, but there's also way too much good stuff. For example, there's a torrent out there of all the Touhou music remixes and such.

It's 2 TB in size. No, you read that right, two terabytes. Even if you follow the Sturgeon's Law maxim that 90% of stuff is rubbish, that still leaves around 200 GB of good music.

Hell, look at the post I made- most of it's orchestral and rock/metal, and even then it's because that's the stuff that interests me personally. I barely touched stuff like techno, regional music (e.g. Irish/Spanish folk) or joke music. It's the great thing about the fandom, odds are you'll find something you'll definitely like, but it's depressing because you'll never be able to say to yourself "Welp, I've finally gone through all the good stuff". It's a heady feeling

a cartoon duck posted:

Hey guys, just a reminder, a couple pages ago someone got probated for linking to danbooru, with :nsfw: tags and everything. You might wanna cool it with the links or rehost those comics or whatever, Zorak doesn't take too kindly to people linking to a site pretty much dedicated to peddling cartoon porn.

Wasn't that because the comic itself was not worksafe? Just put on AdBlock (link for Firefox add-on, link for Chrome extension) and you won't see anything, or at least I don't.

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at Aug 20, 2013 around 04:37

Squiddycat
Jan 14, 2010

There's a super special, super popular thing called spaghetti that I want to try!

Lipstick Apathy

CommissarMega posted:

You know what the best/worst thing about the Touhou fandom is? The fact that there's so much of it out in the open. Sure, a lot of is is terrible and/or porn, but there's also way too much good stuff. For example, there's a torrent out there of all the Touhou music remixes and such.

It's 2 TB in size. No, you read that right, two terabytes. Even if you follow the Sturgeon's Law maxim that 90% of stuff is rubbish, that still leaves around 200 GB of good music.

Hell, look at the post I made- most of it's orchestral and rock/metal, and even then it's because that's the stuff that interests me personally. I barely touched stuff like techno, regional music (e.g. Irish/Spanish folk) or joke music. It's the great thing about the fandom, odds are you'll find something you'll definitely like, but it's depressing because you'll never be able to say to yourself "Welp, I've finally gone through all the good stuff". It's a heady feeling

2 terabytes and only 1 Toho Ska album. A tragedy.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005


Clever Betty

I feel this is the perfect time to mention that, after taking a break from Touhou music for a buncha months and instead going through my sizable backlog of indie game/whatever albums that I've had pile up from Humble Bundles and poo poo, I've begun going through the Touhou stuff again. So expect another collection soon!

Evil Sagan posted:

Oh goddamn you guys rule. I'm listening to all the songs CommissarMega posted while reading Forbidden Scrollery. All I can see is danmaku! I'm probably gonna start puking bullets by the end of the night.

I'm getting better at IN. I managed to get to Eirin's very last spellcard with just one bomb left... sadly it was not enough. I had to quit because after that I started making stupid mistakes in the early stages.

The sad thing is, I would have had this down hours ago if I let myself use five lives instead of just three. But drat, when I finally make it, I'm gonna be so drat proud.

And then I have to make the 1cc attempt
Might I direct you to my Touhou music collection torrent(in progress)?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


Volt Catfish posted:

2 terabytes and only 1 Toho Ska album. A tragedy.

I still haven't found a single drat polka track. I mean, we have metal Touhou, orchestral Touhou, folk Touhou, we even have Lady Gaga Touhou- so where's the drat polka?

Captain Invictus posted:

I feel this is the perfect time to mention that, after taking a break from Touhou music for a buncha months and instead going through my sizable backlog of indie game/whatever albums that I've had pile up from Humble Bundles and poo poo, I've begun going through the Touhou stuff again. So expect another collection soon!

Today just got a whole lot better

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 22, 2011



BlitzBlast posted:

I'm assuming you mean her second-to-last since her actual final one lets you fail.

The key to beating Astrological Entombing is to focus on destroying the familiars. Once you take down the majority of them the spell becomes much less of a mess, and in fact it's one of the (vanishingly few) times Magic Team is straight up the best option.


Oh gently caress. Thank you! I never once dropped out of focus during that stage, so that's probably my main downfall. Next time I'll look out for it and take out those familiars.

Dang, you guys are killing me with all this goodness. I'm just gonna have to quit my job!

quote:

Might I direct you to my Touhou music collection torrent(in progress)?

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


CommissarMega posted:

I still haven't found a single drat polka track. I mean, we have metal Touhou, orchestral Touhou, folk Touhou, we even have Lady Gaga Touhou- so where's the drat polka?

I can't find any touhou IDM or touhou shoegaze or touhou powernoise, these remixers need to get on that poo poo.

Ammat The Ankh
Sep 7, 2010

库昊


Pierson posted:

(This is everyone's excuse to post their favourite Touhou comics. Go.)

I posted this a few days back, but no one commented on it.

Ammat The Ankh posted:

For everyone who enjoys Bomber Grape's comics, here's something similar I found. Acknowledge Her, Crown Prince!, In which Miko tries to adopt Kokoro, and discovers Tenchi was not a biopic. Standard Danbooru warnings apply.

Also, some new Setz 4Koma! They're all funny! Except for this one!

Hashtag Yoloswag
Mar 24, 2013

...I'm sorry. I can't seem to remember any of the rest.


BlitzBlast posted:

The key to beating Astrological Entombing is to focus on destroying the familiars. Once you take down the majority of them the spell becomes much less of a mess, and in fact it's one of the (vanishingly few) times Magic Team is straight up the best option.



I kind of just assumed all of the final boss familiars were nigh-invulnerable, I guess, because this never occurred to me. That's gonna make that fight a hell of a lot easier.

Re: music chat: I really wish there were more arranges of DDC music. I've pretty much only been able to find one arrange each of Illusionary Shamisen Recital/Reverse Ideology/Little Princess, and they're okay, but not great. I do enjoy this guy's Reverse Ideology piano arrange, though!

Hashtag Yoloswag fucked around with this message at Aug 20, 2013 around 09:22

a cartoon duck
Sep 5, 2011



If you're playing a high-power character Astrological Entombing can get really sad, really quick.

This doesn't quite work against Kaguya's last spell card though. Half her familiars are invulnerable, or close enough that focusing on them makes no difference.

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax


This is why Malice Cannon is the correct way to play IN.

leather fedora
Jun 26, 2004

The closest acceptable translation is
"die properly"


Tortured By Flan

Gamma Nerd posted:

I can't find any touhou IDM or touhou shoegaze or touhou powernoise, these remixers need to get on that poo poo.
I am about 40% sure there was a group selling an album of at least one of those genres at the last Comiket.

If you're going to link jazz, at least link stuff done with real instruments by groups like Swing Holic, Tokyo Active NEETs, Accord on Codes, flap+frog, Twitter Touhou-bu...

But I'm just going to link this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79flq3Db8TY

and then this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLhSq8nhxY

TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT
Oct 12, 2008

this is what happens when you take UI design away from engineers and give it to a bunch of hipster art student "designers"


CommissarMega posted:

I still haven't found a single drat polka track. I mean, we have metal Touhou, orchestral Touhou, folk Touhou, we even have Lady Gaga Touhou- so where's the drat polka?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thoO38qHuMQ

This is from the (very good) album DOSKONAŁOŚCI Z TANCEREK, released at Comiket 83 by 街角麻婆豆.

From the same album, have some old-world Cirno:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kyrwc56fSM

TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT fucked around with this message at Aug 20, 2013 around 15:04

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thoO38qHuMQ

This is from the (very good) album DOSKONAŁOŚCI Z TANCEREK, released at Comiket 83 by 街角麻婆豆.

From the same album, have some old-world Cirno:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kyrwc56fSM

THANK YOU This is some genuinely good stuff!

Yasser Arafatwa
Jan 13, 2009



TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT posted:

From the same album, have some old-world Cirno:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kyrwc56fSM

Yep, gonna have to find this album, this is gorgeous.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010



Karen's power intensifies



Volt Catfish posted:

Could we perhaps get a tournament host that is impartial?

It's me, I'm the host.

Blue Reimu gonna stomp you all.

VgameT
Dec 31, 2007

therefore I only muttered "neu"

Anyone who uses Reimu in the tournament is a jerk.

Exceptions will be made for people who pick Reimu only because the other player picked Reimu first.

Squiddycat
Jan 14, 2010

There's a super special, super popular thing called spaghetti that I want to try!

Lipstick Apathy

The tournament should be random only. Of course, due to both overpowered characters and true skill coming from within not because you're using Aya or Med.

Ryza
Mar 15, 2012

Disco Thunder


Volt Catfish posted:

The tournament should be Merlin only.

Fixed that for you.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

There aren't going to be any limits on character picks because that would be stupid. If you want to be cheap and use Reimu/Eiki then go for it, just know that you are basically cheating.

With that said, if I find out that the people I know are good used one of the super characters, I am going to very disappointed in them.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013


Marisa is probably better than Reimu anyway.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005


Clever Betty

Oh my god. I found a folder with poo poo and gold mixed in with each other. Maybe the best vocal track I've yet heard, too.

First track, dude's talking some loving horribly buzzy weird nonsense.

Second track is probably some actual rapper rapping in English about Muhammad Ali(as opposed to recorded for this track), set to, I believe, a slowed-down version of Night Falls ~ Evening Star, and subtly mixed so that he repeats stuff nearly seamlessly.

It rules. And isn't on Youtube. But it's way better than I expected coming into this single album of twelve tracks by random people I don't recognize except Oiko. At the rate I'm going I might have the collection ready as early as tonight or tomorrow.

edit: this is not ironic love for this track, it really rules, I started unconsciously nodding my head to it. I was not expecting that in a Touhou music collection, but I suppose with a quarter terabyte of stuff to go through it's going to have a little of everything!

Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at Aug 21, 2013 around 01:40

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:nignog:


Couple pages back, but,

Clarste posted:

Although I have heard some complaints that TD and DDC's soundtracks aren't "Touhou-ish" and to a certain extent I can see that. It really depends on how you define Touhou-ish I guess.

Some peoples' exposure to Touhou music seems to be limited to EoSD through MoF, where most of the tracks are either grand-scale orchestras playing out on cheesy, upbeat synth to sound at once comical and bombastic, or are just flat-out sugar rushes. For an example of the former, see Gensokyo Millenium. For perhaps the ultimate embodiment of the latter, see Native Faith, which is positively bouncing off the walls.

As of SA, ZUN's been experimenting. It shows, and it's really a good thing, because he's talented enough to do well outside of the comfort zones he'd established...even though he isn't stepping that far out. Examples of tracks that I found "unexpected", when I first listened through, included Interdimensional Voyage, Nuclear Fusion, Green-Eyed Jealousy, Wonderful Cemetery, and (utterly blowing it all out of the water) Pristine Beat.

Oh, and UFO Romance. The only Touhou track to use sampled giggling, and is just an utter delight in every way.

edit: And also Lonesome Werewolf, not because it was unusual, but for the "Why does a stage 3 boss have EX boss-sounding music " factor.

I'm not sure why anyone would object to any of this. You can't expect an artist not to want to expand on what they do sooner or later.

Eehh, fanboys I guess.

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CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


Mazed posted:

And also Lonesome Werewolf, not because it was unusual, but for the "Why does a stage 3 boss have EX boss-sounding music " factor.

I have to admit, I didn't really like Lonesome Werewolf for somewhat that reason- it's not that it sounds like it should be an EX-Boss's theme, but that it sounds so much like the themes of previous EX-Bosses. It's like Heian Alien and UN Owen were slapped higgeldy-piggeldy right next to each other, and it didn't sound nice at all. It's really odd- out of a soundtrack that includes sterling tracks like Pristine Beat and Little Princess*, we suddenly have this mashup.

*Seriously, the best overall song in DDC if you ask me; Pristine Beat has the amazing drum solo, but not even that can beat the sheer baddassery inherent in Little Princess. THERE'S a theme that should fit an EX-Boss fight.

EDIT: Just listening to it again, and now I'm freaking praying Tutti Sound or Iron Attack get their hands on this- or better yet, Morrigan. There's just something about this song that demands either face-melting metal solos or Latin choirs at full blast

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at Aug 21, 2013 around 08:22

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:nignog:


Easy there, tiger.

Personally, I'm hoping that Lily-an comes along to sing us a heartfelt ballad about the trials and tribulations of having your head not attached, or how great it is to flip poo poo upside-down.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008


Mazed posted:

Easy there, tiger.

Sorry for finding it cool (no I'm not)

Mazed posted:

Personally, I'm hoping that Lily-an comes along to sing us a heartfelt ballad about the trials and tribulations of having your head not attached, or how great it is to flip poo poo upside-down.

By God, I actually think you're onto something- no seriously. I'm imagining Dullahan Under The Willows as a slow rock ballad, or something jazzy and it really does work. Just take a listen to the original- it's light on the 'guitar', and I can definitely see (well, hear) a saxophone taking its place, though I must admit I can't really tell whether some smooth jazz guitar work would be better. Maybe both, but that might make it too busy for a slow number.

Dammit, now I'm in the mood for some Touhou jazz/lounge music. I hope you're happy

EDIT: I somehow found this. You guys NEED to hear that.

CommissarMega fucked around with this message at Aug 21, 2013 around 11:57

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010



Karen's power intensifies



BlitzBlast posted:

There aren't going to be any limits on character picks because that would be stupid. If you want to be cheap and use Reimu/Eiki then go for it, just know that you are basically cheating.

This. I'm trying to keep this tournament as rule-free as possible within reason. Play with who you want, play whatever difficulty you agree on.

Just cause I'm contractually obliged to use Reimu doesn't impact on your ability to use her/agree not to use her/use random characters. I'm really poo poo at touhou anyway so who cares right?

Redmark posted:

Marisa is probably better than Reimu anyway.

Objectively mostly no.

E: only touhou music i care about is eurobeat.

BlitzBlast
Jul 30, 2011

some people just wanna watch the world burn

Last I checked Marisa was #3. Or in other words #1 because it's not even fair to the other characters to include Reimu/Eiki on a ranking list.

Gamma Nerd
May 14, 2012


Mazed posted:

I'm not sure why anyone would object to any of this. You can't expect an artist not to want to expand on what they do sooner or later.

Thing is, ZUN's almost entirely self-taught, so (as I see it) it's very hard for him to change his style after all these years, considering that he only knows how to write a very specific kind of music. I applaud him for trying to experiment and add a bit more rhythmic work, different instruments, that sort of thing, but I wonder exactly how far he can take it.

Of course, the outsider art thing is also what makes his music interesting, because he happens to be good at the weird micro-genre of poppy orchestral midi-anthems that he writes. That, to me, is what makes his music more interesting than arrange stuff which just slots his melodies into already established genres.

Mazed
Oct 23, 2010

:nignog:


A self-taught artist can certainly change their methods, even totally reinvent themselves if they so desire. It might be more difficult without any formal training in musical theory and structure, but you never know what kind of crazy thing can pop into someone's imagination.

CommissarMega posted:

By God, I actually think you're onto something- no seriously. I'm imagining Dullahan Under The Willows as a slow rock ballad, or something jazzy and it really does work. Just take a listen to the original- it's light on the 'guitar', and I can definitely see (well, hear) a saxophone taking its place, though I must admit I can't really tell whether some smooth jazz guitar work would be better. Maybe both, but that might make it too busy for a slow number.

Kaztora seems really good at working in subtle bits of instrumentation, like the guitar riffs in their cover of Interdimensional Voyage...and also at doing something unexpected. Honestly, I'm utterly stoked as well to see where the dojin musicians go with all of this.

Little Princess and Pristine Beat are certainly stand-outs, but I'm personally hoping for a lot of different takes on Reverse Ideology. I don't expect anything specific, but it's got that energetic yet menacing cadence that artists can either play way up, or turn around into something slower or more relaxed.

quote:

EDIT: I somehow found this. You guys NEED to hear that.

Touhou rap mashups will never, ever get old.

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!


While we're on the subject, does anybody have any Touhou eighties goth rock? There has to be some out there, somewhere.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005


Clever Betty

IT! IS YES! THAT TIME AGAIN!



Touhou Music Collection 22!

Featuring: (lots of IRON ATTACK, as well as IRON-CHINO, IZMIZM, Iona, J&B, JA幻想郷, Jeux Interdits, JUDSTYLE, and a few from a misc album.

Download torrent81 (101 files; 645.10 MB)
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edit: if you want to hear the specific track I mentioned, it's JA幻想郷 - Liebe ist Krieg.mp3

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Namtab
Feb 22, 2010



Karen's power intensifies



BlitzBlast posted:

Last I checked Marisa was #3. Or in other words #1 because it's not even fair to the other characters to include Reimu/Eiki on a ranking list.

Marisa's strengths lie in the fact that her gimmick is lasers shooting upwards from the bottom, and her lvl 3 attack further limits the amount of space one has to move around in. Her lvl 4 is a joke though.

She's not the worst choice one can make, but she's far from being the best non-reimu/eiki character. She's much better in a longer lasting match, when limiting the space someone has to move in is more effective.

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