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exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

MassRafTer posted:

To celebrate the life of Bruno Sammartino we will

WATCH THE WORST MAJOR COMPANY PPV EVENT IN HISTORY!

HALLOWEEN HAVOC 2000!

noooooooooooooooooooo

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sleepwalkers
Dec 7, 2008




I'll already be miserable because I hate packing for vacation, might as well double up!

Jenkem Delivery
Feb 8, 2005

Death created time to grow the things that it would kill

I'm going to need a lot of weed to get through this

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


I refuse to believe this is even the worst WCW PPV of 2000.

Refuse.

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010


rare Magic card l00k posted:

I refuse to believe this is even the worst WCW PPV of 2000.

Refuse.


I mean I've only watched two shows in the build up to this and...I am perfectly willing to believe this is setting up the worst major PPV ever.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

rare Magic card l00k posted:

I refuse to believe this is even the worst WCW PPV of 2000.

Refuse.

HH2000 is more consistently awful than New Blood Rising, which sucked in spots but had some decent stuff to offset it.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


I am going to quote a great Monumental Podcast scholar.

"You're lying. I don't believe you."

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine


Angry_Ed posted:

I mean I've only watched two shows in the build up to this and...I am perfectly willing to believe this is setting up the worst major PPV ever.

rare Magic card l00k posted:

I refuse to believe this is even the worst WCW PPV of 2000.

It definitely is.

In a 3 month span, Vince Russo and WCW put on New Blood Rising, Fall Brawl 2000, and Halloween Havoc 2000.

Fall Brawl 2000 would be a shoe-in for Worst Show of the Year in a normal year, but it's the best of the 3 by far.

Consider that Fall Brawl had the following:

--Kwee Wee, a talented worker but nonetheless doing a gimmick 100% based off of "Mango" from Saturday Night Live challenges for a Championship in the opening match.

--A First Blood Tag Team Chain Match between the Harrisi and Kronik which needed a ref bump for the Harrisusses to win

--Jim Duggan, making a comeback from cancer, turning heel on the United States by joining Team Canada for no adequately explained reason.

--A 7 versus 7 Tag Team Elimination (which was never explained beforehand on just how many people were it) match featuring Paul Orndorff literally almost dying in the ring in his first match 5 years after retiring with severe spinal issues. The PPV had to be stopped for 10 minutes just to make sure he wasn't permanently paralyzed.
This all led up to a finish to the match (next night on Nitro) as planned...with Nitro Girl Tygress pinning Mike Sanders, Chuck Palumbo, Shawn Stasiak, AND Mark Jindrak in the same match

--A loving MIXED GENDER SCAFFOLD TAG MATCH featuring Torrie Wilson and Shane Douglas (who attempted to get heel heat by burying Paul Orndorff in the previous match who was getting carted off in the ambulance amongst fears that he was permanently quadriplegic)

--A match in which Mike Awesome, in between 3 gimmicks at once in his 2nd month of the company as the "Career Killing, Fat Chick Thrilling, That 70's Guy" went over Jeff Jarrett who only laid down after multiple weapon shots, finishers and run-ins from NO LESS THAN 13 PEOPLE, I poo poo YOU NOT including Sting, Gary Coleman, and the entire starting lineup of the Buffalo Bills

--A completely dull and heatless match in the main event where Booker T finally regained his title from Kevin Nash in a Cage Match that had no spots involving the cage (Booker bladed from an exposed turnbuckle) and a finish that didn't even involve it as well.

And all this still wasn't quite as bad as New Blood Rising, which itself is better than this show.

Shiki Dan fucked around with this message at Apr 18, 2018 around 20:12

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

Shiki Dan posted:

It definitely is.

In a 3 month span, Vince Russo and WCW put on New Blood Rising, Fall Brawl 2000, and Halloween Havoc 2000.

Fall Brawl 2000 would be a shoe-in for Worst Show of the Year in a normal year, but it's the best of the 3 by far.

Consider that Fall Brawl had the following:

--Kwee Wee, a talented worker but nonetheless doing a gimmick 100% based off of "Mango" from Saturday Night Live challenges for a Championship in the opening match.

--A First Blood Tag Team Chain Match between the Harrisi and Kronik which needed a ref bump for the Harrisusses to win

--A 7 versus 7 Tag Team Elimination (which was never explained beforehand on just how many people were it) match featuring Paul Orndorff literally almost dying in the ring in his first match 5 years after retiring with severe spinal issues. The PPV had to be stopped for 10 minutes just to make sure he wasn't permanently paralyzed.
This all led up to a finish to the match (next night on Nitro) as planned...with Nitro Girl Tygress pinning Mike Sanders, Chuck Palumbo, Shawn Stasiak, AND Mark Jindrak in the same match

--A loving MIXED GENDER SCAFFOLD TAG MATCH featuring Torrie Wilson and Shane Douglas (who attempted to get heel heat by burying Paul Orndorff in the previous match who was getting carted off in the ambulance amongst fears that he was permanently quadriplegic)

--A match in which Mike Awesome, in between 3 gimmicks at once in 2nd month of the company as the "Career Killing, Fat Chick Thrilling, That 70's Guy" went over Jeff Jarrett who only laid after multiple weapon shots, finishers and run-ins from NO LESS THAN 13 PEOPLE, I poo poo YOU NOT including Sting, Gary Coleman, and the entire starting lineup of the Buffalo Bills

--A completely dull and heatless match in the main event where Booker T finally regained his title from Kevin Nash in a Cage Match that had no spots involving the cage (Booker bladed from an exposed turnbuckle) and a finish that didn't even involve it as well.

And all this still wasn't quite as bad as New Blood Rising, which itself is better than this show.

You forgot the Steiner/Goldberg match in which Vince Russo interfered to win. This was right after the Jarrett match, so either Russo is better than the starting lineup of the Buffalo Bills, or Goldberg is just worse than Jarrett.

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine


The Steiner/Goldberg match is probably the MOTY for WCW 2000 and might be the sole reason Fall Brawl isn't the worst.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007

If loving you is binturong, I don't want to binturight.

yeah WCW's 2000 PPVs are poo from a butt, but Havoc is the worst by a _mile_

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


The preshow is Bruno vs Larry! https://synchtu.be/r/TheDJRanPosition

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine


IT'S HAPPENING. PEAK RUSSO.

exploded mummy
Sep 10, 2008

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?

- Incubus



Doctor Rope

Shiki Dan posted:

IT'S HAPPENING. PEAK RUSSO.

they canned Russo again before the PPV

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


exploded mummy posted:

they canned Russo again before the PPV

Creative team was under instructions to continue with Russo's plans until well into November.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


I should have trusted you.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Grimey Drawer

Yeah that's definitely worse than NBR. I mean they're both wretched but I was shocked- like almost everyone had stopped trying, with the exception of the six people in the big tag match at the start.

It's also interesting how almost every match had some kind of "hardcore" element. During the Steiner match I appreciated Stevie Ray saying "That's our last table!"

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rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah that's definitely worse than NBR. I mean they're both wretched but I was shocked- like almost everyone had stopped trying, with the exception of the six people in the big tag match at the start.

It's also interesting how almost every match had some kind of "hardcore" element. During the Steiner match I appreciated Stevie Ray saying "That's our last table!"

The only people I feel are regularly positives in WCW are Stevie (if only because he still has a new feel) and Goldberg. The pop for Goldberg spearing one of Kronik showed that WCW still had a fanbase that loved them and could care, but WCW was just determined not to care.

Although when we get the occassional shred of Tony still caring he's good and I feel bad.

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