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Actually it really works with a fresh regeneration because he's still wearing the same jacket hurt wears. Granted, all his other solo adventures shown in the scene with Clive undercut that, but I quite like the fan theory that he had them after Rose tells him no and then pops back after being all weird and morbid on his own.
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The only real complaints I've seen are that it'd invalidate a big chunk of the EU stuff that people are fond of, and that there've been a lot of Eleven references since Smith started. Also a ton of people seem to think he's replacing Matt Smith, if twitter's anything to go off of.
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Astroman posted:I'm betting they explain it away as "he got joke married to her for some contrived reason and found out she was having an affair with someone else and they never actually did anything more than kiss." Then he bails on her, never comes back, and she wants him dead when she sees him later in her life (earlier in his). 'fraid not. The BBC posted:Q: There’s a little bit of romance between Queen Elizabeth and the Tenth Doctor. What was is it like filming those scenes?
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Nov 8, 2013 19:15
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Mokinokaro posted:I think RTD suffered from similar. The 9th Doctor series was pretty tightly done (despite the farting aliens) even in the RTD episodes. Tennant's first run was also REALLY good, including the RTD bits. It seems during Tennant's second run that RTD was given a lot more free reign and that caused a lot of his episodes to devolve into garbage (Last of the Time Lords, for instance.) Let's not even get into the season of specials that capped off Tennant's run. I think the big problem is that Rusty is just not that great at plotting. I mean he's got his whole thing about focusing on hitting the right emotional notes and sequence rather than the right narrative ones, but I don't think that really works. He just splashes around the emotion-porn and big, striking images without anything to connect them. I think that kind of approach is much better suited for film than semi-serialized television because TV is much more about plot.
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Nov 27, 2013 01:35
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Harlock posted:I guess the trap is to kill him while he's in regeneration? Like.. Lake Silencio? I'm pretty sure that it's not. Supposedly thanks to Ten's botched regeneration and The War Doctor, Moffat says that Smith is technically the thirteenth, meaning that he shouldn't regenerate unless the rules are broken. The idea is that this is where he dies so that he can be dead with a timestream that ends at Smith and his current TARDIS in the last finale.
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Dec 12, 2013 01:10
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So, according to the Daily Star the 'ghost' of a 'huge favourite' appears to Eleven in the TARDIS just before he regenerates. So it's probably River, but it might also be Amy. I'm kinda hoping for Idris, but that's pretty unlikely considering that she didn't crop up in one of Moff's episodes.
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Dec 23, 2013 17:22
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PantsOptional posted:It seems unlikely to be a companion, given that the mysterious person supposedly says “Times change and so must I but I will always remember when The Doctor was me.” That's what the Doctor says. The ghost just says "Good night"
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Dec 23, 2013 17:30
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PantsOptional posted:That's not what I'm getting from that, unless they're annoyingly calling him "Who" rather than "The Doctor." I'm pretty sure they are, yeah, because it's presented as an exchange between "Who" and "the Spook".
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Dec 23, 2013 17:34
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Big Mean Jerk posted:No, no, no, you see Moffat needs to bring back more of his Very Clever Pet Characters because they're Very Clever, you see. And that means going back to Victorian England. I think that the real reason for the Paternoster Gang is that Moffat wants a multiple companion setup but that it's too expensive. So they can hang around as pseudo-companions to fill out the ensemble a couple times a series, while he can include guests (Like Rory's Dad or Kate Stewart) in other episodes.
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The_Doctor posted:
Apparently she's playing a banker who dresses and presumably behaves similarly to Madame Kovarian and Miss Kizlet for reasons that have nothing to do with Moffat having something against powerful women.
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Mar 14, 2014 23:12
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PriorMarcus posted:The real reason is actually that Moffat can only write a limited selection of character types. Well obviously that's true, but I think that that's true of a lot of screenwriters. I think it's more interesting to talk about the types he goes back to. I Mean, I know he's said that the Scotsman interview was mischaracterizing something he said "in character" as his self-insert from Coupling, but the guy seems to have some kind of complex about being "the Junior" in relationships with women. One of the types he goes back to is a powerful woman, in business attire, who negates the agency of men. I think that says something about him.
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Mar 14, 2014 23:23
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm surprised it's not talked about more then - is it due to libel laws or something? Yeah. Despite being pretty reputable when it comes to this kind of thing, Private Eye has a history of settling libel cases because of how the UK's libel laws work. That's part of they they've developed so many euphemisms to talk about things they can't quite prove. On top of that the other outlets that would talk about it, the tabloids, are more interested in glamourous types than in middle aged Scottish showrunners.
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Mar 15, 2014 00:40
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Metal Loaf posted:They always seemed interested enough in Gordon Brown. What, you don't think Brown is Glamourous and Sexy? Do you have eyes? Astroman posted:Or he's got a thing for them That isn't really mutually exclusive, considering how much of his work is about ladies who give him boners and why they're evil. Like... all his autobiographical stuff is basically on that theme.
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Mar 15, 2014 04:48
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Fungah! posted:Pretty sure the orange coat's just weird lighting unless he's slowly turning into a carrot too It's a kind of orange brown under more neutral lighting. Also, the Doctor still runs funny.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:14
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In other news, Clara may well now have a personality. In an interview with Doctor Who Magazine, Moffat played up that Clara is "clever, sceptical, hard-to-impress". Moffat implied in the interview that he's interested in exploring how this affects her dynamic with the TARDIS, which won't be boring and redundant after The Doctor's Wife at all. Also the episode in which Twelve wears the Warehouse or Lab coat is called Kill The Moon. Ben Miller is playing the Villain in a sci-fi take on Robin Hood called The Robots of Sherwood written by Mark Gatiss. Gatiss has poo poo'd the idea that the time lords will return because apparently making them into lame-o-zoid Oxbridge House of Lords dweebs is somehow less interesting than treating them as generic super powerful god-like aliens.
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Apr 12, 2014 02:19
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Bicyclops posted:This is true though, it's why they're interesting when Troughton firsts meets them and get progressively less interesting throughout the Baker era. I disagree. I absolutely love the idea of a seemingly godlike race actually being preening, senatorial and ineffectual. When Troughton meets them they frankly come off as pretty generic, arbitrary and boring.
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Apr 12, 2014 02:33
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The thing with the Silence actually made sense and would have worked if there'd been something more than three seconds of voice over explaining it. And... also if the doctor didn't have an offscreen relationship with Tasha Lem that meant he should, logically, have known how they work. Basically the explanation should have come during A Good Man Goes to War, which should have been more than one episode long.
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Apr 22, 2014 03:35
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Ratspeaker posted:Ugh, you just popped my enthusiasm bubble. Here I was all excited to see Moffat's take on Davros, but you're right, it's going to be his OC emperor Dalek again. I get that Moffat is allowed to leave his mark on the series and everything, but the stuff he did in Asylum of the Daleks was just Everything about Asylum up until the maaaaaagic amnesia thing was p. sweet. It's one of the few times Moffat's rapidfire approach to worldbuilding has actually worked.
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Jul 5, 2014 00:34
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nuzak posted:What do people mean when they say it sounds like fanfiction? like, random humour and thin characters? There's more to it than that. There's a certain sense that it's very impressed with itself, and there's a lot of gratuitous continuity. Just look at the premise of the first episode. It's based on the premise of a previous episode only it's cooler an' bigger, an' sexier and shoe-horned in and and and it's got space lesbians! To an extent it seems like that might be deliberate, since it seems that the Missy character is a kind of analogue for a certain kind of fan, the same way that Moffat and Gatiss referenced and made fun of Sherlock fans in series three. Since she's being set up as the one orchestrating everything... I dunno. It could be cool, but it'll probably be dumb, like the aforementioned series of Sherlock. Big Mean Jerk posted:Listen is definitely the best of the first four, but the monster is never truly revealed or even expanded on, and the ending relies too much on sentimental VoiceOver bullshit. It's a solid C though. Only the premier and Robin Hood have been an absolute chore for me to get through. I thought the point of listen was that there actually was no monster, just Clara paradox-traumatizing the wee baby Doctor.
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Jul 8, 2014 21:24
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The filenames say these are post-production scripts, so they probably will. As for the cold open, and the scene in the children's home? I think they're red herrings. When Clara shows up, the Doctor brings up the idea that he himself might've written it down and forgotten, albeit only to dismiss it. When they're in children's home, again, the possibility of it being another boy playing a trick is brought up. Everything in the story has a rational explanation. Like Clara says, it's just the Doctor rationalizing his fear of the dark.
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Jul 8, 2014 21:40
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Not sure who drew these, but they definitely make the leaked scripts seem more palatable 
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Jul 9, 2014 02:27
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Inkspot posted:They look a lot like Rick and Morty fan art, but I've never seen a minute of Rick and Morty. Yeah, that's the idea. They're bits from the leaked scripts but with the Doctor drawn as Rick.
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Inkspot posted:The problem is not with the Capaldi caricature. That's just not a very good Robin Hood. It's not Robin Hood. It's Alan-A-Dale. Also you should watch Rick and Morty. Rick's a very interesting riff on The Doctor.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Rick isn't supposed to be The Doctor. He's clearly a hosed up Doc Brown from back to the future. Actually, Dan Harmon mentioned Doctor Who as an influence on the show, along with Hitchhiker's Guide. Those two influences are probably a big part of what took the show from the Channel 101 Doc and Marty shorts to the dimension hopping hosed up brilliance it is today. Otherwise it'd just be all ball sucking and commercial parodies. The theme was apparently based in part on Who's theme as well, hence all the Wooo-oo-ooo-ooo-ooo sounds. I'm too lazy to dig it up, but there's an interview where Harmon likens Rick's alcoholism to how the Doctor would deal with regular, boring-rear end life.
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Mameluke posted:I'd like to cite Black Mirror as another better-than-Who currently on the air. The show asks ridiculous, simple questions, like "What if someone demanded the PM sodomize a pig?" and takes them to emotionally wrenching conclusions. The second episode, Fifteen Million Merits, is Bad Wolf if it were about iPhone games and makes me wonder what Charlie Brooker's Who would be like. Around two thirds of the Black Mirror plots feel like prequels to a Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy story.
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Noxville posted:I would like for someone to take over and not have the ego to believe that have to write five episodes a year as well as running the show. Get somebody good at running a show to run the show. Back when the production clusterfuck happened, the leaker had nothing but praise for how well Moffat was concealing budget cuts and dealing with the production problems, but after what happened with Caro Skinner in Edinburgh it's kind of hard to buy that. Bown posted:Gatiss is the most generic writer Who has had since returning and none of his episodes have breached 'passable'. Does Chibnall have the time? He's running Broadchurch and I'm pretty sure he's co-running Gracepoint. That said, he wouldn't be an awful choice. His episodes have never been great, but his Silurian two parter is competent and his shorts were well-liked. Plus he's got actual showrunning experience.
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It should be something about the big bad being a Tumblerette. Because that's the weirdest, yet most galling spoiler.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Doctor Who Spoilers: Heaven has a ball pit Rita Repulsa posted:A character who could be seen as the latest big bad in homestuck is a tumblerette. Moffat also reuses phrases like homestuck and of course both are largely stories about time travel. How the gently caress is Moffat so terrible that this post isn't wrong. PantsOptional posted:If the two-parter with the Vashta Nerada had been brought up at all, or had never existed, I would feel a lot better about that 4th episode. Most of Moffat's baddies have the same basic premise. It's either intrinsic or it's part of how they operate. The Gas Mask people rise silently from beds, the Clockwork Robots pop out from under them, the Weeping Angels only move/exist when you're not looking, the Vashta Nerada literally are the darkness. The silence are at most in the corner of your eye... The episode is loving dumb because it's built around the fear of the dark being irrational. In like, pretty much every Moffat-penned story it's a somewhat rational fear. It's not just the library two parter. It's arguably one of the defining themes of the current showrunner's work on the show. Republican Vampire fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Varance posted:Yes. The essence is there. Back when the scripts first leaked, a lot of these lines just seemed so Smith to me. Really easy to imagine with that sort of flippant upward inflectio and stop-start thing he does. But having watched the leak it's clear Capaldi's made it his own. They come off as a lot more abrasive, dismissive, and contemptuous than they would coming from Smith. Also, the Soldier thing some people have brought up isn't so weird. He's fine with Soldiers when it's a paramilitary he's been part of (UNIT) but that hypocrisy is baked into the relaunched Who and probably actually makes some sense as he's all hosed up inside from the Time War what with his emotions and all. ALthough really, it just seems like a lazy way to set up drama with Danny once he comes aboard.
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The question is: Will he go full cyberman or be saved something something hackneyed metaphor something something?
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The cyberman two parter where he gets cyberized is the story that deals with Missy. It's the final two-parter. Though it's ambiguous as to what side she's on in the story since the set photos show her by the Doctor's side a lot. e: Plus, Moffat has saved a love interest from being an inhuman monster with something something metaphor emotive language something something before. ANd if there's one thing Moffat loves, it's clumsily re-using something that worked before in a clunky way that fails to have the same emotional resonance. Republican Vampire fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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PriorMarcus posted:Moffat's inability to tell a new story starts to infect other writers. It's so ridiculously easy to see which three episodes this was based off that's it's almost embarrassing for all involved. To be fair, when he tried to write a fresh story he wrote Listen, which is the worst of the bunch as far as the leaked scripts are concerned.
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Aug 16, 2014 20:45
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The black and white screener of Robots of Sherwood's apparently up now. Marcelo Camargo must be making GBS threads himself.
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jivjov posted:How does this keep happening?! Haha. Supposedly whoever's doing the leaking has the rough cuts of the first five episodes and is just teasing 'em out slowly. Some people suspect viral marketing.
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thepokey posted:The arrow thing wasn't really a big deal, it was just Robin and the Sheriff in the typical archery contest from the classic tale with the Doctor thrown in showing he can match them (with a little bit of trickery revealed later on as to how). The truly awful thing was the teamwork 3-person arrow shooting at the end of the episode, that was just awkward as gently caress. If not from a storytelling point of view, then just from a purely physical one - three people operating 1 regular bow. Isn't that also an image from the old stories? IIRC when Robin died, Little John and Alan-a-Dale helped him fire his last arrow, and they buried him where it landed. PriorMarcus posted:Or Capaldi can find Gallifrey (ugh) and the two can face off again. Finding Gallifrey would be awesome if the Doctor promptly realized why he hated the other Time Lords while they were around. If their characterization as limp-dick senatorial oxbridge fuckwits was intact they'd make a great counterpoint to a doc like Twelve. Not that this would happen. Apparently both Moffat and Gatiss hate post-Deadly Assassin time lords because being huge and mysterious and weird in a generic and unsatisfying way is awesome. It's like the Reapers in Mass Effect all over again. E: The idea is that they're trapped off in some pocket universe, waiting for him to find a place where they can safely come through. Though apparently he can pop over, since Clara tells the wee babby doctor some bullshit self-help crap in Listen. VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV Republican Vampire fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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SKY COQ posted:"You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it" would be a pretty loving amazing tone for the resurrected PTSD Time Lords to take. Yeah but they were totally unconvincing. The one in the first game went on and on about how they were beyond human comprehension, but his whole plot got sussed out by your secondary party members in like two minutes. In the second game you had that one whose whole big trump card was giving a mook some unimpressive buffs. IN the third game it kind of looks like they're stooges of some half-bright space baby. They were an unimpressive and unconvincing villain and I seriously don't get people who could take them seriously. I think that Time Lords would look the same if the show brought them back and tried to paint them as all that and a bag of chips. That's why the post-Deadly Assassin take on them was so clever. Yes, they're ludicrously powerful, but no, there's no actual reason why they should be. You can understand it in terms of actual class relations and it doesn't make the mistaking of aiming for and inevitably missing mythic status.
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SKY COQ posted:On the other hand this is a show about space Jesus fighting Robin Hood with a spoon Why yes. That episode WAS terrible. What a persuasive argument to never try to not be terrible again.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You're being unfair on Mass Effect 1 - you never understand the motives of the Reapers, just their plan from a mechanical point of view. That kind of Lovecraftian unknowable horror is something that's done well very rarely - especially in the greater fan canon of Lovecraft (including guys like Derleth in this) that miss the point entirely. I really don't think I am. You might not understand their motives explicitly, but I don't think that you need to in order to go recognize that they're not really that special or intimidating. The problem with aiming for the unknowable and ancient is that it's still conceived of by the human mind. If you file too many 'knowable' edges off, you get something painfully generic and arbitrary. That's what the Reapers are, and I'm afraid that that's how the Time Lords seem to me even during the trial scene. Making them knowable, and contemptible, will always be more interesting than waggling a stick in the direction of a few hoary cliches about things beyond human understanding. To be honest the only time I think it's ever really been pulled off effectively in any medium is Roadside Picnic.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Not necessarily, Lovecraft has plenty of variety in his works. Admittedly that variety includes a story in which the horrific twist is that a character is descended from black people but you can't have everything.
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It's tied to the Mythos, but it's also a fairly straightforward science fiction story at its heart that has to do with the acquisition of knowledge and wrestling with that rather than big scary unknowable things.
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