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Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope

ELO Musk posted:

You know what guys, I just had a very grim thought.

We know that the pact with Zepa is such that the guys from Baitel would never impugn upon Zepa's claim without permission. What if by breaking this irreplaceable wall in probably the oldest and most important building in one of Ur's greatest cities, we just broke a deal between Carine and the PTB in a similar fashion that will have massive repercussions that end with us living like Tweety Bird from now on?

I mean, looting this place may end up having the same result as when we took stuff from Amok, and we'll have it taken from us to be returned at some point, but so far we're in a structure that by all accounts is a pagan god-temple. Part of living as a man in Ur is that pagan-god temples are generally not due a ton of respect, so I think we're safe from being caged for what we've done so far? We may well have all our stuff confiscated, but that's the risk we take, no sense worrying much about it or getting upset if it happens. I figure as long as we stick to useful stuff like some powerful weapons, or some smaller knickknacks, etc., we probably are safer than if we decided to go full elder scrolls on this place and steal all their cups.

Zodiac5000 fucked around with this message at Mar 20, 2019 around 15:41

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ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



We should definitely steal their fancy cups

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

A roc and a hard place



We should piss on the sacrificial table, drink THAT up Nisaba!

Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope

ChaseSP posted:

We should definitely steal their fancy cups

I mean, we should definitely steal at least one cup.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009

Chakh'mah Mush'lam Echad Rak

Mr. Nemo posted:

We should piss on the sacrificial table, drink THAT up Nisaba!

It'd be more awkward if it absorbs the trace [???] in our piss and awakens after millennia in slumber. That'd be *two* god-like beings we accidentally awakened on our adventures so far.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb




On one hand I'm down with team magpie and want to do it ASAP in case there's a secret timer or another "trap", but otoh I wanna case the place to figure out what the choice bits to take are. Either way we could prolly spend an IRL year exploring this place given its size and probable heretical secrets.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009

I GAIN POWER FROM EATING PEOPLE, JUST ASSUME I'M ALWAYS VOTING TO EAT PEOPLE



Nap Ghost

Eat Uriah while he's defenseless, imo. Gain his strength imo. Conquer the world for HUNGER and Asherah imo. Overthrow Asherah afterwards imo. Create Glorious Bronze Age Socialist-cannibal utopia, imo

Zodiac5000
Jun 19, 2006

Protects the Pack!

Doctor Rope

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

On one hand I'm down with team magpie and want to do it ASAP in case there's a secret timer or another "trap", but otoh I wanna case the place to figure out what the choice bits to take are. Either way we could prolly spend an IRL year exploring this place given its size and probable heretical secrets.

I wish we could completely ransack this place, even if it probably would have bad consequences. It would be funny if we looted this place, got it all our lucre into wagons, and then the entire rest of the trip was just us hauling a quarter-mile long caravan of relics back to Zepath through the donut.

Schwza
Apr 28, 2008



This may be the ultimate achievement of team boring. How many hours of work did Diog put into making a cool rear end battle tower for us to get cold feet in the first room?

To quote tsyni "smdh". Smdh indeed.

ELO Musk
May 9, 2010




Ramrod XTreme

I went back to check on Ish's warning to us about our current trip and I don't see anything about this sort of thing there. I'm trying to find his warning about what we need to be wary of in Ur outside of Zepa's claim. Anyone have the link handy? Been looking for a while. I seem to recall he said that we're basically in their house and if we break their local rules then we may get in deep poo poo and I feel that applies here.

Upon rereading, I did have a couple of thoughts I want to put down so as not to forget them. I did promise to post my random thoughts from here on, even if they're wrong.

1.) The well info that is being hidden from us by the Trio is done because if we knew then other deities could mind-rip us casually and from afar as we are not yet able to conceal our thoughts from certain beings. And if we allow them to "dig deep", then they can discover what is currently hidden from us and that is what happened when we snuck into the crystal temple. Therefore, the knowledge ripped from us is a great danger to us probably but it is yet to be seen how the world will react to one hermit's interpretation of us.

Diogines posted:

This falls under the "no bronze age steam engines" things. You can't just decide to suddenly have profound questions about the nature of reality.

"That is not part of the lessons" he says. This is not surprising. While "on-screen" this has not been asked about much if ever, the why and what of your abilities is something that Ishamal has been steadfastly silent upon for as long as you've been learning from him. Even if he is more open about other topics, his willingness to talk about this has not changed at all.

2.) (click the link to understand better)

We recently had an epiphany about forging thanks to Blashpemaster's post about us being stubborn and demanding that the world around us believe that the poo poo we were making was really loving badass. So when I came across this post about Ishamal refusing to tell us why hardening always cost the same amount while other things cost more depending on degrees, it got my hamster wheel spinning. See, perception is part of Blasph's post and Mighty Men are already known to be able to harden things as needed so there would be a low amount of convincing the rest of the Urverse that we could harden, but wouldn't it still vary a little? After all, beings that are not Ur humans almost certainly know that we are not human and thus would probably know that it's not as trivial for us to harden. So would it follow then that the perception has a range? I believe we have hardened in combat with non humans before, though, so I reject that.

So then what is it that we're doing when we forge/harden/use our stored nephesh? We know that making BBronze is largely using telekinesis to move stuff around at a molecular level to make it quite simply better but to get an item to the next level there is something else afoot. I posit that when we are making an Arrow Of Absolute Badassery That Can Pierce The Hide Of The Doom Of Tanaach we are actually trying to make the Doom of Tanaach softer or something to that effect. We don't have access to all the variables that have to change to make that Arrow Of Absolute Badassery that level of Badass but that's m'theory.

e: oh and that ties into how we harden because it's only a specific little thing we're changing rather than the entire universe

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ELO Musk
May 9, 2010




Ramrod XTreme

Schwza posted:

This may be the ultimate achievement of team boring. How many hours of work did Diog put into making a cool rear end battle tower for us to get cold feet in the first room?

To quote tsyni "smdh". Smdh indeed.

Sometimes you have to roll with the choice your alignment would make and we are El-aligned and acting in character. This woulda been a cool battle tower for a Bareen-Og.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009



Lipstick Apathy

ELO Musk posted:

Sometimes you have to roll with the choice your alignment would make and we are El-aligned and acting in character. This woulda been a cool battle tower for a Bareen-Og.

Bah, we've been challenged and as a man of El we should prove that we are stronger than any demon's test.

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004

I love you boy, One Pack, always.


Lipstick Apathy

There's no confirmation that El wouldn't approve of the tower. The Orm situation was very different.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug


Go Home Enkidel

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004

I love you boy, One Pack, always.


Lipstick Apathy

If only the temple teachings weren't full of poo poo we could consult Enkidel's knowledge for some kind of answer.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009

I GAIN POWER FROM EATING PEOPLE, JUST ASSUME I'M ALWAYS VOTING TO EAT PEOPLE



Nap Ghost

Arkanomen posted:

Go FIND HER, BRING HER Home Enkidel OG

Fixed for you. Phone autocorrect happened, i assume Ark?

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007


Schwza posted:

This may be the ultimate achievement of team boring. How many hours of work did Diog put into making a cool rear end battle tower for us to get cold feet in the first room?

I assure you, the Capybaras are not upset and have no preference.

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



How can you act like Diog would get any more amusement than Enkidel getting his arm stuck in a door

B.B. Rodriguez
Aug 8, 2005

Bender: "I was God once." God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."



I love that we totally think we're Julian, but we're 1000% Ricky. And Uriah is Bubbles.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007



I think it's pretty apparent at this time that Enkidel's powers are mostly about altering reality around him, or the people around him. Arrow time slows down the world so he can act with greater precision. He doesn't need to breathe, in stark contrast to what reality might suggest. Hardening his body is just telling the universe that his body cannot be altered by other parts of reality for a bit (we get a pretty good description of this at some point, I think it might be the Samson fight?). As to altering people, we get the whole passive telepathy stuff around the unblooded which apparently could lead to Enkidel influencing their thoughts, and ball trance which is just altering the behavior or thoughts of other people around him for his benefit.

That whole "You are the best. Your desires deserve to be brought to fruition. And they will be." is probably a measure of how strong Enkidel's control over reality is. It's there not because he's huffing his own farts (ok maybe a bit) but because he's gotten good enough at telling reality what he wants that his desires do become reality.

E: Also apparently Enkidel makes new blood rapidly. Which is very interesting considering how we made those arrows (that you boring lot broke and buried) and totally accidentally cut ourself in the crazy forge-fugue haste and definitely did not make them awesome with our own blood. Anyway.

Olothreutes fucked around with this message at Mar 20, 2019 around 19:00

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Slaan posted:

Eat Uriah while he's defenseless, imo. Gain his strength imo. Conquer the world for HUNGER and Asherah imo. Overthrow Asherah afterwards imo. Create Glorious Bronze Age Socialist-cannibal utopia, imo

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...


ELO Musk posted:

Sometimes you have to roll with the choice your alignment would make and we are El-aligned and acting in character. This woulda been a cool battle tower for a Bareen-Og.

Disagree that we're El-aligned. Maybe the majority, but I personally am always looking for a chance to defect. This corner of Enkidels brain wants to find a God that would be onboard with helping sad sneks and climbing awesome battle towers.

GreyjoyBastard
Mar 28, 2010

Says Chu


Olothreutes posted:

I think it's pretty apparent at this time that Enkidel's powers are mostly about altering reality around him, or the people around him. Arrow time slows down the world so he can act with greater precision. He doesn't need to breathe, in stark contrast to what reality might suggest. Hardening his body is just telling the universe that his body cannot be altered by other parts of reality for a bit (we get a pretty good description of this at some point, I think it might be the Samson fight?). As to altering people, we get the whole passive telepathy stuff around the unblooded which apparently could lead to Enkidel influencing their thoughts, and ball trance which is just altering the behavior or thoughts of other people around him for his benefit.

That whole "You are the best. Your desires deserve to be brought to fruition. And they will be." is probably a measure of how strong Enkidel's control over reality is. It's there not because he's huffing his own farts (ok maybe a bit) but because he's gotten good enough at telling reality what he wants that his desires do become reality.

E: Also apparently Enkidel makes new blood rapidly. Which is very interesting considering how we made those arrows (that you boring lot broke and buried) and totally accidentally cut ourself in the crazy forge-fugue haste and definitely did not make them awesome with our own blood. Anyway.

don't forget Question Time, which Amok, maybe Amos, and maybe 7birb have shown is a canonical power and not just a conceit

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb




Infinity Gaia posted:

Disagree that we're El-aligned. Maybe the majority, but I personally am always looking for a chance to defect. This corner of Enkidels brain wants to find a God that would be onboard with helping sad sneks and climbing awesome battle towers.

El-Eligned*

*Until a sizable enough contingent of El voters see a viable alternative, at which point the thread explodes.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pillbug

B.B. Rodriguez posted:

I love that we totally think we're Julian, but we're 1000% Ricky. And Uriah is Bubbles.

fuckin way she goes buddy

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com


Infinity Gaia posted:

Disagree that we're El-aligned. Maybe the majority, but I personally am always looking for a chance to defect. This corner of Enkidels brain wants to find a God that would be onboard with helping sad sneks and climbing awesome battle towers.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?







Oh yeah I'm only El-aligned because as far as we can tell He is incredibly powerful and in charge of the only place where we can be a human and enjoy human life as we've chosen to. We're kinda forced to be pro-El. If a better game ever came to town I'd definitely be down to switch.

Heliopause
Aug 18, 2015



Crazycryodude posted:

Oh yeah I'm only El-aligned because as far as we can tell He is incredibly powerful and in charge of the only place where we can be a human and enjoy human life as we've chosen to. We're kinda forced to be pro-El. If a better game ever came to town I'd definitely be down to switch.

QTF.


I wonder what the odds are that if we exit by the front door a group of priests and mightymen will now be waiting for us? Breaking the Bark could have had some kind of effect, that or someone could have seen us. Or been mystically told. Just waiting out there to take our news books when we try to leave.

What I'm saying is, I want us to leave by a window if possible (when we're done here I mean), and maybe flee the city with a large sack full of loot?

GreyjoyBastard
Mar 28, 2010

Says Chu


Crazycryodude posted:

Oh yeah I'm only El-aligned because as far as we can tell He is incredibly powerful and in charge of the only place where we can be a human and enjoy human life as we've chosen to. We're kinda forced to be pro-El. If a better game ever came to town I'd definitely be down to switch.

we could probably be human in Nuskuria

but we already rejected cocaine and fireballs

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Nuksu priest burnt a bunch of people alive to try and escape.

Butt Discussin
Sep 12, 2010



I'm genuinely El aligned because not being so would hurt the feelings of all of our friends and family.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug


Im team El because honestly he commits the least amount of objective evil in this hosed to poo poo pile of burning refuse that is called Ur. Still dont like getting backhanded for asking for divine help to end a creatures suffering. They knew full well what our intention was asking for gods help and Smattas backhanded us like Sushem. Im still salty over that.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.


Butt Discussin posted:

I'm genuinely El aligned because not being so would hurt the feelings of all of our friends and family.

In a real world parallel, this is the main reason Australia is still a monarchy.

Lanky Coconut Tree
Apr 7, 2011

An angry tree.

The angriest tree


Infinity Gaia posted:

Disagree that we're El-aligned. Maybe the majority, but I personally am always looking for a chance to defect. This corner of Enkidels brain wants to find a God that would be onboard with helping sad sneks and climbing awesome battle towers.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

By that I mean we should overthrow god and take his place

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007



Yam Slacker

Snarls is El-aligned.

Tsyni
Sep 1, 2004

I love you boy, One Pack, always.


Lipstick Apathy

AJ_Impy posted:

Snarls is El-aligned.

This is a horrible lie. How dare you.

SerSpook
Feb 13, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Yeah.

El is just one fragment of Snarls' true nature. It would be like you being aligned to your toe.

malbogio
Jan 19, 2015



I feel bad for the Orm too but I think El's position might be necessary.

Consider how Azazel bartered for our dog because he smelled "sentiment" on it, Paebel has become supernaturally stealthy, our friends and family have stopped aging, and the general Prosperity Aura covering all of Kavodel.

There is reason to believe that everything Enkidel cares about is receiving some form of boon dependent on how much he cares about it. Whether this is because Enkidel is "favored" by El, because of all the Sentiment from other powerful beings directed towards Enkidel, or because of investiture by Enkidel's parent(s) is hard to tell. This may include all of the gods we have encountered towards which any portion of us feels something resembling affection or respect.

By caring about the Orm we might inadvertently be feeding it.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pillbug

El is probably just pissed they had to spend ??? to corral HER and is salty about it.

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GreyjoyBastard
Mar 28, 2010

Says Chu


ChaseSP posted:

Nuksu priest burnt a bunch of people alive to try and escape.

'burnt alive' implies some level of suffering, he instantly incinerated them

if we converted to Nuskuism, we would clearly be kinder and gentler and only very occasionally sacrifice dozens of humans

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