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Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.
I'll vote on this later but I really want to get into those sealed rooms. Does A involve doing that?

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JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver

A Terrible Person posted:

Our demand is a temporary end to hostilities until we can speak civilly in person with them. We also demand that they stop thinking we want to eat them; we don't eat people. We want to know more about their culture, history, technology, etc. and perhaps take some token items representing such topics for future study with us when we leave (with compensation, a trade albeit under duress), but we have not come as invaders and we do not wish to destroy them. We shot Shamshiel after it attacked us and picked up our friend. We did not even know this place or the people within it even existed. We wish to explain, apologize, come to an understanding, and apparently now discuss their future within Ur.

I'm struggling to think of a way to explain to the Gareb and Esher that the owls and Earth-Growers aren't monster, demons, or men but are a sort of animal people. Thinking, reasoning beings that are only hostile because they believe they're defending themselves.

Sorry for the repeated question earlier, too, Diog.
Cosigned.

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Theglavwen posted:

I'll vote on this later but I really want to get into those sealed rooms. Does A involve doing that?
Yes.

NastyToes
Oct 9, 2012

A + fetch our guys

Mexican Deathgasm
Aug 17, 2010

Ramrod XTreme
A and B. Destroy their unholy altars and loot anything magical or otherwise interesting. Don't force the dumb birds to come to Baitel and get enslaved or executed.

unimportantguy
Dec 25, 2012

Hey, Johnny, what's a "shitpost"?
The rest of our caravan must be so confused.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
A+ Fetch our guys

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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alpaca diseases posted:

Diog are acoustics a known thing in Ur
If they are you don't know about them.



Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

1. Can the pipe talker things be moved around? Or do they have to stay where they are in order to work?
"It says it does not know."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

2. Would any of your people be interested in leaving the tree with us?
"It says no."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

3. Can we try some of that fire beer?
"It says you can have all of their beer."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

4. You have a lot of Gems, do you have any clear ones that let you see far?
"No."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

5. Why have your people taught the sheep that we are demons and ash eaters?
"It says that it is afraid to tell you because it will make you angry."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

6. How old are you? What is the lifespan of your people, and of the sheep people?
"It says they usually live between one and two cycles of renewal, and it is almost on its second."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

7. they may not know how to make more, but do they have any old forges or smithing tools around still?
"No."

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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HBar posted:

"How do you prevent the earth growers from breeding out of control?"
"They feed them a special food which stops the males from being fertile, when it is okay to breed they stop feeding them that food."

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Mr. Nemo posted:

How long was Father gone on those occasions?
Do you specifically what he did?
On which occasions?


Mr. Nemo posted:

Did he ever mention meeting other beings like him?
"No."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Have you ever seen "owls", look like you, less arms, don't talk?
"Some live in the forest beyond our home."

malbogio
Jan 19, 2015

BE

Hot Dog Day 80
Jun 23, 2003

Diogines posted:

"It says that it is afraid to tell you because it will make you angry."

Not telling us will make us angry. I want to hear!

Waci
May 30, 2011

A boy and his dog.
B

Waci fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 27, 2021

Question Time
Sep 12, 2010



Investigate the sealed rooms before deciding what, if anything else, to demand

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

5. Why have your people taught the sheep that we are demons and ash eaters?

Diogines posted:

"It says that it is afraid to tell you because it will make you angry."

Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

Not telling us will make us angry. I want to hear!
It takes being firmer about this point but eventually you get Marks-Days-And-Keeps-Order to answer you... and when that answer is evasive, you are firmer still and finally it tells you.




"It says because our kind hate everything that is different than ourselves and constantly want to fight for the sake of fighting until we destroy everything around us, and when we have killed everything that are different we look for differences among our own kind to keep fighting, and that we will keep fighting till there is nothing left to eat but ashes, and also that we have no respect for the balance of nature. But it says that the Earth-Growers are not as intelligent so they get a less nuanced version."

Gareb seems increasingly troubled the more he hears the owl talk.

Esher then adds "It is just upset because their fore-bearers got their rear end-feathers kicked during the Liberation."

Diogines fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Feb 27, 2021

Hot Dog Day 80
Jun 23, 2003
Well, their beliefs are not exactly wrong.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Hot Dog Day 80 posted:

Well, their beliefs are not exactly wrong.

Pretty close to being exactly right.

Diogines posted:

Gareb seems increasingly troubled the more he hears the owl talk.

Gareb getting woke the gently caress up.

A, grab the loot, find the dead Melachim's secrets, gtfo and never return.

Mr. Nemo
Feb 4, 2016

I wish I had a sister like my big strong Daddy :(

Diogines posted:

On which occasions?
At the beginning/end of each cycle of renewal.

Did you use any other names for the Great father? What are they?[

Did the great father create owls?

Who created humans?

Besides humans and "sky people", what other intelligent races do you know live beyond your realm?

has the great father told you stories of the lands beyond?

Was your "city"/"kingdom" ever larger than this?

Does the name Xuriel mean anything to you?

Diogines posted:

"It says because our kind hate everything that is different than ourselves and constantly want to fight for the sake of fighting until we destroy everything around us, and when we have killed everything that are different we look for differences among our own kind to keep fighting, and that we will keep fighting till there is nothing left to eat but ashes, and also that we have no respect for the balance of nature. But it says that the Earth-Growers are not as intelligent so they get a less nuanced version."

Gareb seems increasingly troubled the more he hears the owl talk.

Esher then adds "It is just upset because their fore-bearers got their rear end-feathers kicked during the Liberation."

Where's the lie though

Mr. Nemo fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 27, 2021

Question Time
Sep 12, 2010



Diogines posted:

It takes being firmer about this point but eventually you get Marks-Days-And-Keeps-Order to answer you... and when that answer is evasive, you are firmer still and finally it tells you.




"It says because our kind hate everything that is different than ourselves and constantly want to fight for the sake of fighting until we destroy everything around us, and when we have killed everything that are different we look for differences among our own kind to keep fighting, and that we will keep fighting till there is nothing left to eat but ashes, and also that we have no respect for the balance of nature. But it says that the Earth-Growers are not as intelligent so they get a less nuanced version."

Gareb seems increasingly troubled the more he hears the owl talk.

Do you have any art, songs, stories, or other methods that are especially effective at teaching cooperation and respect for nature, or do you believe that such is inherent to the nature of your people?

Mexican Deathgasm
Aug 17, 2010

Ramrod XTreme
What is a cycle of renewal?

I'm worried that big stupid owl might be resurrectable.

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

A

Hot Dog Day 80
Jun 23, 2003

Mexican Deathgasm posted:

What is a cycle of renewal?

I'm worried that big stupid owl might be resurrectable.

It looks like it's talking about the 50 year cycles that everyone seems to follow.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc
These guys loving rule. We need some aerial scouts.

Cmonnnnn don't screw this up, team.

Question Time
Sep 12, 2010



Mexican Deathgasm posted:

What is a cycle of renewal?

Seconded, if these owls know more about the Jubilee and why it happens the way it does, that would be very useful.

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



DRINK THEIR BOOZE

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Mexican Deathgasm posted:

What is a cycle of renewal?

I'm worried that big stupid owl might be resurrectable.
"It means the Jubilee" Esher says without translating for the owl.

Mr. Nemo posted:

Did you use any other names for the Great father? What are they?
It lists a number of titles related to being a father or an owl or a fatherly owl or a great father and so on. No proper nouns you are familliar with.

Mr. Nemo posted:

Did the great father create owls?
"Yes."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Who created humans?
It takes prodding to get an answer to this one but eventually Esher laughs and says "Oh yes, of course. It says that mankind was made by a demon."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Besides humans and "sky people", what other intelligent races do you know live beyond your realm?
"It says it does not know of any others who are still alive because we killed them all, but that there used to be others."

You ask to learn more about them.

"It says it does not know, only that there were others but they are all dead because they didn't love war as much as we do."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Was your "city"/"kingdom" ever larger than this?
"It says no."

Mr. Nemo posted:

Does the name Xuriel mean anything to you?
"It says no."

Butt Discussin posted:

Do you have any art, songs, stories, or other methods that are especially effective at teaching cooperation and respect for nature, or do you believe that such is inherent to the nature of your people?
"He says that they teach their hatchlings from birth."

John_A_Tallon
Nov 22, 2000

Oh my! Check out that mitre!

Cannon_Fodder posted:

These guys loving rule. We need some aerial scouts.

Cmonnnnn don't screw this up, team.

They already established they
1) expect us to leave after we loot their stuff
2) expect us never to return
3) don't want to send anyone with us

We have some stuff we can trade to them though, if we want to try changing their minds.

Diogines posted:

"He says that they teach their hatchlings from birth."

Do they have reading and writing, and if they do are there stories for children hatchlings and lambs in written form which we could have copies of?

John_A_Tallon fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Feb 27, 2021

Mexican Deathgasm
Aug 17, 2010

Ramrod XTreme

Cannon_Fodder posted:

These guys loving rule. We need some aerial scouts.

Cmonnnnn don't screw this up, team.

I think we should come back and try to ally with them in a century or two once we have more power and influence and when we don't have to be blindly obedient to a king who is advised by guys who are the pure, distilled essence of proudly ignorant xenophobia.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc

Mexican Deathgasm posted:

I think we should come back and try to ally with them in a century or two once we have more power and influence and when we don't have to be blindly obedient to a king who is advised by guys who are the pure, distilled essence of proudly ignorant xenophobia.

Guarantee they'll be made into loving hats for the closest city's nobility.


Ask: What is a Yarok?

Cannon_Fodder fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Feb 27, 2021

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

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Comedy Option: Leave Gareb here to teach them the ways of man.

Victis
Mar 26, 2008

These owls are cool as hell, but yeah if anyone in the Donut finds out about them they will all be slaughtered/enslaved.

Are there no rebellious owl-youths who wish to see the outside world? Surely there must be a handful of heretic ne'er-do-owls.

What happens if a cutting of the Big Tree is made? Can it be cultivated? Does it die upon being separated?

Are they just in denial that "Great Father" is dead? Didn't they see the feather?

Why was Horn Tender so uncooperative compared to the other Earth-Growers?

Vote: A+ get the rest of the squad.

Victis fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Feb 27, 2021

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Cannon_Fodder posted:

Guarantee they'll be made into loving hats for the closest city's nobility.


Ask: What is a Yarok?
"The villagers think there are friendly creatures living in the forest who protect them and bring them things they like."

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc
Do owls have outcasts or someone who could redeem themselves heroically by proving bravery via hanging out with Uncle Og?

Anybody looking for college credit or an internship? We don't pay, but there are perks.


Yarok = These guys playing tooth fairy. haha

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


The owls are 100% correct about humans being murderous assholes who can't even stop murdering each other much less get along with non-human sapients. And Gareb knows they're correct. This is so funny, Gareb's going to get radicalized by a 20 minute chat with a giant talking owl.

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Crazycryodude posted:

The owls are 100% correct about humans being murderous assholes who can't even stop murdering each other much less get along with non-human sapients. And Gareb knows they're correct. This is so funny, Gareb's going to get radicalized by a 20 minute chat with a giant talking owl.
It'll probably be less funny if you ruin your relationship with of one of the civic leaders of Kavodel and one of your oldest friends, or if he tries to fight you and Esher over it to protect the owls?

alpaca diseases
May 19, 2009

Lol Gareb getting the crash course in how humanity is, infact, trash

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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Victis posted:

Are there no rebellious owl-youths who wish to see the outside world? Surely there must be a handful of heretic ne'er-do-owls.
"I don't know. If you want slaves, we will give you slaves."

Victis posted:

What happens if a cutting of the Big Tree is made? Can it be cultivated? Does it die upon being separated?
"The tree is special, he says that it produces no seeds or leaves and they don't know how to make another, their great father made it."

Victis posted:

Are they just in denial that "Great Father" is dead? Didn't they see the feather?
"They now he is dead, that is why they are surrendering" Esher says, not needing to translate.

Victis posted:

Why was Horn Tender so uncooperative compared to the other Earth-Growers?
"A small number of the Earth-Growers are smarter, they knew the threat you posed."

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Diogines posted:

It'll probably be less funny if you ruin your relationship with of one of the civic leaders of Kavodel and one of your oldest friends, or if he tries to fight you and Esher over it to protect the owls?

The majority of the squirrels might disagree with me but this part of Enkidel's mind at least would be cheering Gareb on every step of the way. Humans are thieving murderous assholes in this universe, and we're doing nothing but reinforcing that conception right now, Gareb snapping and going native would make him the bravest and smartest man in Kavodel by a long shot.

I really hope we don't ruin our friendship but if we do it will be ENTIRELY our own fault, with massive flashing warning signs every step of the way, and it would be well-deserved. Good on Gareb for actually having principles.

Diogines
Dec 22, 2007

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If the increasingly less subtle clues were not sufficient, here is a hint.

Your friend Gareb has little lust for adventure but has very, very, very strong opinions about not abusing the weak and innocent, which is sort of the thing that the Blooded Elite of Zepath get drilled into their skull from birth and which the men of Kavodel pretty much agree with.

If Gareb is of a mind that these things don't deserve getting hosed with, and you can't justify to that to him, and you then gently caress with them further, the best you can hope for is to hurt your relationship with him.

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Waci
May 30, 2011

A boy and his dog.
He's absolutely right, though.

Beyond ending the worship of a false god we have no obligation to gently caress with them. I'm reasonably confident Shamsiel worship is handled and that the owls will agree not to start wars with humans, since Shamsiel is dead and and the owls seem both thoroughly cowed and peaceful to begin with.

We've done what we had to, it was unpleasant enough even if Shamsiel messing with humans meant it had to happen. Lets not make things worse than we have to, we should just remove any altars and leave.

Waci fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Feb 27, 2021

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