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I voted to kill and eat Jalithia to make fish dad happy. In my defense I was
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Did u vote to hurt Snarls That was probably me, although it wasn't a vote and more of a vignette.
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Jun 3, 2023 19:43
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Enkidel is arguing with Ishamal about whether to get spiritually neutered. In frustration, Ishamal cries out "If I am right and Enkidel's progeny will spell disaster for Ur, let the river in Zepath flow backwards!" And lo, Zepath's river does reverse it's course! Enkidel looks at this and says "Yeah, but what does that have to do with my inalienable rights?" Ishamal gets frustrated again and yells out "If I am right and Enkidel's children will cause him unimaginable grief, let this profane and wicked tree he planted in his garden get up and walk away!" And it does! Enkidel sees the tree leave and shakes his head. "Walking trees are not the arbiters of a sentient being's free will." Finally, Ish flips out. "If I am right and Enkidel's descendants will bring ruin to all of Ur," he cries, "Let Smatass himself bring his wholy wrath down!" And Lo! A mighty greatsword descends from the heavens and strikes down Tanaach! A vast mushroom cloud replaces the city, as Smatass himself descends to land in front of Enkidel. "Ishamal is right, Enkidel." Smatass says. "Make yourself humble and prostrate yourself before El." Enkidel looks at Smatass and says "Oh yeah? What do you know?"
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Jun 4, 2023 12:32
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MinistryofLard posted:Enkidel is arguing with Ishamal about whether to get spiritually neutered. In frustration, Ishamal cries out "If I am right and Enkidel's progeny will spell disaster for Ur, let the river in Zepath flow backwards!" And lo, Zepath's river does reverse it's course! Enkidel looks at this and says "Yeah, but what does that have to do with my inalienable rights?"  You can't tell me what to do. 
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Jun 4, 2023 13:45
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Persecution complex? I believe you mean Perseus complex.
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had a dream where we were tricked by some barnacle-crone into killing somebody who wanted to help us. Sythians or something. Somebody from the north, some chick who was as tall as us. We were so mad at this it was like a new form of emotion Then the dream left ur returned to the usual nightmares
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Jun 4, 2023 16:56
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MinistryofLard posted:Enkidel is arguing with Ishamal about whether to get spiritually neutered. In frustration, Ishamal cries out "If I am right and Enkidel's progeny will spell disaster for Ur, let the river in Zepath flow backwards!" And lo, Zepath's river does reverse it's course! Enkidel looks at this and says "Yeah, but what does that have to do with my inalienable rights?" I hate how accurate this is.
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Jun 4, 2023 17:00
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It's a sagely lol
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Jun 4, 2023 18:09
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MinistryofLard posted:Enkidel is arguing with Ishamal about whether to get spiritually neutered. In frustration, Ishamal cries out "If I am right and Enkidel's progeny will spell disaster for Ur, let the river in Zepath flow backwards!" And lo, Zepath's river does reverse it's course! Enkidel looks at this and says "Yeah, but what does that have to do with my inalienable rights?"  "BuT wHaT aBoUt AlL oF tHe IsH lOvErs????"
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Jun 4, 2023 19:34
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if they're so smart then why is the world so poo poo already? 
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Jun 4, 2023 20:13
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:if they're so smart then why is the world so poo poo already? Uh we didn't listen to ish hard enough DUH
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Jun 4, 2023 22:44
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ArbitraryTA posted:Persecution complex? I believe you mean Perseus complex. We passed up on the Gorgon killing powerset unfortunately.
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Volmarias posted:
I don't thjnk theg died with ish 
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Jun 6, 2023 01:49
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Azuth0667 posted:I don't thjnk theg died with ish Good. Ish was loving useless, especially after he became our only source of lore.
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Jun 6, 2023 08:42
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was it him or someone else who said if we want to know poo poo we need to physically go learn it?
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Azuth0667 posted:I don't thjnk theg died with ish Died from Ish or died with Ish?
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SniperWoreConverse posted:was it him or someone else who said if we want to know poo poo we need to physically go learn it? Him. He straight told us "If you go and discover poo poo on your own, I will confirm some of the details and maybe even fill in a few blanks. But I'm not going to tell you anything you don't already know or have some prior confirmation of."
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Jun 7, 2023 14:03
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the_steve posted:Him. It’s the same rules Every works on. If you know it I’ll help you do it better. If not, figure it out first I’m not an Encyclopedia
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Jun 7, 2023 16:27
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what if the balls who went south were able to talk about what they saw down there? Would this improve or damage stability? Change it?
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Jun 7, 2023 16:51
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the_steve posted:Him. Also, leaving the confines of Ur will get us inevitably killed/disappeared, so... good luck with that.
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Jun 7, 2023 16:59
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this is different now. We can simply bless the dudes and send them on hero journeys for us, and the blessings will take because we're all doped up on space juice, we have been working with eg the balls since nearly the start, they are martial heroes of valor, going on a pilgrimage for justice, &c&c we're really fuckin up tho letting our guys get murderated and disappeared and poo poo, should probably not do that
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Jun 7, 2023 17:06
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why are people mad about ish, we don't know anything about the restrictions placed on him lol. he's been a staunch ally regardless of anything we did, and we did A LOT a LOT to specifically just mess with him lmao. im not saying he was an ideal mentor and maybe he was just here to clip our wings, but we earnestly have no evidence to support that considering how many other people have been the exact same as he was.
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Jun 7, 2023 18:35
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The fundamental issue is that Enkidel is good and wants to help and we have the not just potential but ability to reshape reality. We were raised to be human, we think like a human and, if we interpret the fragments of history, this is a recpie for unimaginable damage. We live in the ruins of probably hundreds of Enkidels. One or our dudes got his throat bit out by the corpse of one. We are getting tidbits and help and looks behind the curtain out of dire nessecity. Ish did nothing wrong with how he treated us and it's an unspeakable loss that he is not here to help us fight the things that killed him and the Trio.
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Jun 7, 2023 18:56
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Pladdicus posted:why are people mad about ish, we don't know anything about the restrictions placed on him lol. he's been a staunch ally regardless of anything we did, and we did A LOT a LOT to specifically just mess with him lmao. im not saying he was an ideal mentor and maybe he was just here to clip our wings, but we earnestly have no evidence to support that considering how many other people have been the exact same as he was. Ish was the best, and unfortunately he became the focus of some of our general frustrations with the game. I defy you to re-read just Diog's posts and have anything but warm and fuzzy feelings for Ishamal, especially in retrospect.
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Tsyni posted:Ish was the best, and unfortunately he became the focus of some of our general frustrations with the game. I defy you to re-read just Diog's posts and have anything but warm and fuzzy feelings for Ishamal, especially in retrospect. I think this is a big part of it. We spent a large part of the game expecting him to be a lore-dispenser and getting increasingly frustrated when he refused to act the part. Given that the Melachim crew have also adopted the same stance of telling us as little as humanly possible it's now clear that there were both in-universe and out-of-universe reasons for this, but it took a very long time for that to sink in. Practically there had to be some reason for the ageless mentor figures we are surrounded with not to tell us everything we wanted else this would quickly ceasw to be a CYOA game and instead become a series of exposition dumps that would never end.
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I think (hope?) that the general Ish hate broke when we watched Bagar die and then started to get facespiders around the Gebebans. Like, we had been told that knowing things will affect our perception of the world irrevocably. Zebanantha tried to dissuade us, and in retrospect it was very much because he knew exactly what we were because he was one too, because he knew what would happen to us. Knowing certain things has consequences and that sucks for lore-nerds that just want to fuckin know.
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Jun 7, 2023 20:37
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I think it was Ish's near-constant flatulence. Just the non stop farting every time we had questions with him got old. Just way too much for a mighty man. It was like he was chugging fiber and bean slurry.
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A Terrible Person posted:Also, leaving the confines of Ur will get us inevitably killed/disappeared, so... good luck with that. to be fair, we've learned pretty well at this point that we can learn an incredible amount of stuff within the confines of Ur still. Like gently caress just dig down, apparently there's at least one dormant mind controlling evil even in loving baitel so who knows what the hell is going on in Ur
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Z the IVth posted:Died from Ish or died with Ish? both Pladdicus posted:why are people mad about ish, we don't know anything about the restrictions placed on him lol. he's been a staunch ally regardless of anything we did, and we did A LOT a LOT to specifically just mess with him lmao. im not saying he was an ideal mentor and maybe he was just here to clip our wings, but we earnestly have no evidence to support that considering how many other people have been the exact same as he was. it wasnt nearly enough Azuth0667 fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 7, 2023 |
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Ish was very good. I think he did everything he could to help us within the rules that bound him. I suspect he also fudged those rules a number of times to our benefit. My only real regret in regards to ish is that we never got to talk to him between our trip to baitel and now.
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Bob Tuskins posted:Ish was very good. I think he did everything he could to help us within the rules that bound him. I suspect he also fudged those rules a number of times to our benefit. My only real regret in regards to ish is that we never got to talk to him between our trip to baitel and now. This stuff isn't subtext, it's just straight up text People hating on Ish are basically using him as a stand in for the entire melachim bureaucracy and their policies to which he was beholden Which, well, fair enough I suppose
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down with the system man!
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He threatened to either kill Enkidel or cut off his balls, joined the trio in threatening to kick him out (or worse) if he didn't conform, and threatened to brutally cut off his wings if he used them in any capacity, then had the temerity to say he did the right thing upon his death. If he weren't the gatekeeper to this game's entire setting, I think goons would have voted very differently by now.
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ehhh I think after meeting Amok all of that is pretty reasonable within the context, plus the alternatives with other PtB isn't exactly better
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Yeah pretty much all of that I file under melachim policy bullshit. Most of it chafed pretty badly but now that Enkidel's been let on the other side of the curtain I can see how a lot worse things could've been if Ish and the Trio weren't constantly running interference for Og on the regular. If they sucked it's because everything about the situation sucked (especially the hunger demon stuff) and now Enkidel has to deal with the assholes who the old PtB were trying to keep out, the guys who are looking for any excuse to send Enkidel to Superjail and the foreign powers who have various dark or voracious designs on his being.
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I am glad Ish is dead and suffering for eternity in a fish belly since it's a direct result of his incompetence and hubris.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:I am glad Ish is dead and suffering for eternity in a fish belly since it's a direct result of his incompetence and hubris.  HUNGER triumphed over ish.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:ehhh I think after meeting Amok all of that is pretty reasonable within the context, plus the alternatives with other PtB isn't exactly better If rose tinted glasses are allowed, then Ish telling Enkidel about what happened with Amok would have been a way better means to approach the issue. Even if it meant Enkidel would go out there and wake him up still, we never saw the consequences of his waking up and therefore it would have been the correct decision. No threats of violence necessary and Ish would have actually earned his status as a wise man.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:I am glad Ish is dead and suffering for eternity in a fish belly since it's a direct result of his incompetence and hubris. Not emptyquote
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Are we still Ish posting even after the poor guy is dead. He was this 5000 year old dude who talks to angels on the reg and is maybe one himself, and he saw someone from a long lineage of "I'm the main character and the world exists for my benefit! Everything should cater to me and my powers make it so the world has to do that anyway! Now watch me gently caress up the world utterly!" type people is suddenly show up and start going "I should know all the secrets and answers at all times because I'm the main character and it's frustrating not being told literally everything about everything, also teach me how to alter reality to my benefit because I want reality to be whatever I want it to be and I deserve it and I am great and my desires deserve to be brought to fruition," Is it surprising that Ish, seeing that, would be slightly hesistant to break several NDAs and put us on 30 different black-bag-immediately lists so he could satisfy our curiosity of something and woops now that we know it we've lost control of our divine half and have mindslaved all of Zepath it's fine it's fine. ... okay that SAID, him holding back SOME information was pretty drat dumb though. I wasn't around for breathgate and I wouldn't have voted for it probably, because when I was reading blind the first time the decision seemed insane to me? but like. He could have at least told us "oh, yeah, if you overexert yourself you will go ravenously hungry and become a WMD and threaten everything you care about" like okay yes maybe that should have been included in our operating manual from the get-go. Liiiike I guess he has said don't overexert yourself but I don't think the "more than this will drive you from reason" was made clear. But also we're in a society that isn't our modern society and expecting egalitarian answers to everything is pretty out of society for it! Anyway Ish got the raw deal of a living black hole nuclear bomb showed up and if he even warned the black hole nuclear bomb that it could explode into a black hole then it would know how to do it and it might DO THAT so like, honestly pretty rough situation! If you know someone who has a button they can press to End the World, do you tell them about it and hope they don't press it, or do you try to do everything you can to mislead them from looking at the button too hard?
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