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Don't tell him about the sandals. Ask him for his daughter's hand in marriage. In a month.
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Task Manager posted:If we actually pass the Ironman version of this coming of age trial that few ever try, we survive for a month, bring back a revered artifact of El lay it on the altar, all for Tudiya to go "Tsk, tsk - but your feet were comfortable! Get out of my house."....I just don't see it happening. He doesn't care. What's the down side of telling him? We already know he has displayed supernatural knowledge of our life. We know that "As long as we are pious, strong and faithful" we will survive this challenge. Painting this rite as something few ever try is a disingenuous, few men do it because times are easy now and they wish to cheat and give their sons an easier time. Before this, the men of Zepath got on just fine with this version of the rite.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:26
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:What's the down side of telling him? We already know he has displayed supernatural knowledge of our life. We know that "As long as we are pious, strong and faithful" we will survive this challenge. Painting this rite as something few ever try is a disingenuous, few men do it because times are easy now and they wish to cheat and give their sons an easier time. Before this, the men of Zepath got on just fine with this version of the rite. The down side of telling him is he might decide the godly-supply depot was unholy and our sandals are demonic, then take them. Cue trying to walk and hunt for month on bare feet that have grown accustomed to being coddled. 
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Sep 24, 2013 19:29
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:What's the down side of telling him?
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Sep 24, 2013 19:32
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This is supposed to be a test. If we're too coddled to pass it that's our fault.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:34
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RandomPauI posted:This is supposed to be a test. If we're too coddled to pass it that's our fault. But should Snarls pay because we can't walk properly? Because he will if that happens.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:35
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If we are literally only allowed to take Snarls with us for the duration of the test, we might as well just strip naked and give Tudiya our clothes too. If we're too coddled to survive in the wilderness nude, it's our fault. We didn't pick our clothes as our survival tool, it's our fault.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:36
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You guys should come into IRC with the rest of us. #madgod on synirc.
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JT Jag posted:He takes the sandals. We are incapable of walking barefoot for a full month, as we are no longer accustomed to walking barefoot after wearing sandals for several years. This contributes to our death. Please refer to Tudiya's many judgements in the market. His comment about what we were to do if we spotted danger for Zepath. This is a man who devoted his life to a high cause, who praises justice above all. Removing sandals from this boy and forcing him out into the wild with soft broken feet is something so utterly out of character it's ludicrous. JT Jag posted:If we are literally only allowed to take Snarls with us for the duration of the test, we might as well just strip naked and give Tudiya our clothes too. If we're too coddled to survive in the wilderness nude, it's our fault. We didn't pick our clothes as our survival tool, it's our fault. Also I just want to point out that this is a really stupid post and I'm slightly ashamed of you for demeaning yourself in this way. You can do better. Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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Sep 24, 2013 19:40
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This is a test to see if we can survive taking only one item that is very important to the ritual or our survival. Our sandals and Snarls should rightly count as two items. If we want to honor the spirit of the test we must be honest even if our feet hurt for a few days.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:40
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It's less a matter of our magically soft coddled boy feet aching and more oops we stepped on a rock and now our foot has got infected and is festering off over the course of a month.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:46
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If Diog is going to go that direction to screw us over he could just as easily go with a snake bite to the ankle or getting our arm trapped under a fallen rock.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:49
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RandomPauI posted:This is a test to see if we can survive taking only one item that is very important to the ritual or our survival. Our sandals and Snarls should rightly count as two items. If we want to honor the spirit of the test we must be honest even if our feet hurt for a few days. If he wanted us to choose between the sandals and other stuff, he'd have put them on the pile. He did not. We were given enough time to put on our sandals. Therefore, the sandals are fair game for us. We chose our one item from the pile, and we didn't try to game it by asking Snarls to grab stuff. If our sandals conjured a delicious sandwich when we clicked the heels or erected a comfortable shelter for us when we did a merry jig, I could understand telling Tudiya. But they don't. They let us walk, that's it. Not run, not climb, not even walk stealthily. They just let us walk a lot. Being able to walk isn't going to put food in our belly, water on our tongue, or a roof over our head.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:50
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It lets us walk without feeling the pain of walking or suffering the sort of damage to the feet that could cause. That is a significant advantage which should not be hand-waived away.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:54
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RandomPauI posted:This is a test to see if we can survive taking only one item that is very important to the ritual or our survival. Our sandals and Snarls should rightly count as two items. If we want to honor the spirit of the test we must be honest even if our feet hurt for a few days. It's only cheating if you break the rules. It would have been cheating if we had personally taken several of the items Tudiya lined up in front of us. It is not cheating if we do something that the rules do not account for, like bring an item from outside: That is just something beyond the scope of the trial. JT Jag fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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Sep 24, 2013 19:57
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Trust Tudya, guys, just like he trusted us.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:59
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Paradise Lost: Goons Making Something Out of Nothing - Choose Your Own Adventure!
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 SHUT UP ABOUT THE loving SANDALS ALREADY GODDAMNLook at you squabbling over something so unimportant that it shouldn't really have been mentioned at all. They just stay on and we don't talk about them because they are shoes and we forget about them entirely now. Now back to the important stuff: Should we devour the hearts of every animal we kill or just the monsters and demons? If we meet people on out in the wild should we kill them and eat their hearts or take them as a slave to test out poisonous berries and plants? Do we start walking back after 3 weeks so that we arrive in Zepath after a month or do we finish the whole month and then start walking home? I never got this. edit: I think we should take off our sandals and gently caress them in front of the king. He may know of them but I don't think he knows the full extent to which we could use them to cheat on our test of manhood. If we do this then we don't have to tell him but he gets to exercise his judgment anyway. It's a win-win. Please Dio, a minivote here. Basscop fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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Sep 24, 2013 20:03
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Then why didn't we get Snarls to bring along the flint? Main consensus at the moment seems to be: Tell him, talk about the Art and the temple, if he wants us to give up the sandals then fine, but if not, we've told him, he thinks slightly more of us for admitting it, and maybe if we're lucky we'll get a bit of info about the [???] and our flute out of the deal. We're not saying "here, hold my super magic sandals til I get back *limps off into the desert*, we're just telling him about what happened and getting his opinion. [edit: I wrote this about 4 posts late  I'll shut up unless you come discuss it in IRC]
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the_steve posted:If he wanted us to choose between the sandals and other stuff, he'd have put them on the pile. He did not. the_steve posted:If our sandals conjured a delicious sandwich when we clicked the heels or erected a comfortable shelter for us when we did a merry jig, I could understand telling Tudiya. OhYo fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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Sep 24, 2013 20:05
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Maybe we should also mention our training and weightlifting capabilities because that there is also an advantage. Oh, and we know how to catch fish and there's an ocean, so we should probably mention that.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:09
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Voting that we take off our beard and hair to leave behind because it isn't a living part of us and could give unfair hidden camo bonuses to our manhood test. Also our finger and toenails.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:14
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What the hell happened to the thread? Just wear your drat sandals. More importantly, Snarls and Enky should share the hearts of the monsters we kill and bathe in their blood. Snarls deserves some too. Maybe we can create a Super Snarls. Don't bathe in animal blood. Just eat the raw heart and liver. Fresh livers are pretty good. I think.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:16
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Tudiyah is actually taking us out into the forest to kill us for kissing Naomi. This is a perfect excuse. He's going to burry us with our dog and our sandals. Great job, goon collective.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:16
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Sandals aside, which is more important to you, honor or survival?
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I bet our sandals and flute aren't even magical and their benefits are only imagined to an uneducated kid who didn't grow up with footwear. After growing up without shoes, of course wearing them would make it seem like you could walk forever!
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Sep 24, 2013 20:21
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I wonder if Tudiya had this same moral quandary during his test. "You know, I do have the blood of Labaras, which seems to give me powers. Maybe I should replace all of my blood with someone else's. You know, just to be fair."
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Sep 24, 2013 20:21
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To me, there is still something a bit wonky going on with El and Tudiyah and everything. There's a reason we trust Ishamal with everything, and likely a reason he told us not to mention certain things to the king. Let's just keep the sandals on the DL. If he knows he knows. If it was a test he wouldn't set us up to fail. We dont know the manhood ritual, he does. If he straight up asked us, then ok, but he didn't.
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Put the sandals on Snarls Barkly. Ride Snarls Barkly. Quandry solved, we still are only using the item we brought with us take that Tudiyah you can't trick us with your moral tests about footwear.
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Tsyni posted:To me, there is still something a bit wonky going on with El and Tudiyah and everything. There's a reason we trust Ishamal with everything, and likely a reason he told us not to mention certain things to the king. Let's just keep the sandals on the DL. If he knows he knows. If it was a test he wouldn't set us up to fail. We dont know the manhood ritual, he does. If he straight up asked us, then ok, but he didn't.
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You know what, this sandal debate has gone on far too long. I propose a simple test to decide whether or not we should tell Tudiya about the sandals. We shall kick one of our feet very hard forward such that our sandal goes flying into the air. We shall then wait to see the sandal land. If the sandals land such that the toe-end points towards Zepath, clearly the sandals should be left at home and we should tell Tudiya. If the sandals land such that the toe-end points towards wherever we're going, clearly they are demanding to come along with us and we should not tell Tudiya about the sandals. And if the sandal is snatched by an eagle in midair before it swings back around to drop it on our head, clearly we are destined to become king of Rome and should be sure to marry our future daughter to Paebel to ensure an orderly succession.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:40
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Tsyni posted:There's a reason we trust Ishamal with everything, and likely a reason he told us not to mention certain things to the king. Let's just keep the sandals on the DL. If he knows he knows.
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Basscop posted:Do we start walking back after 3 weeks so that we arrive in Zepath after a month or do we finish the whole month and then start walking home? I never got this. If I understand Tudiya right, we have to stay out of Zepath for a full month and he doesn't particularly care how we do it so long as we don't find ourselves a different city to stay in. So that means we can just wait a few days where we are dropped off, make our way back to Zepath, and then stay just out of sight of the city's borders. I'm not sure if that's what we really want to do, though. We'd be walking from place to place alright, but we wouldn't really be exploring or discovering anything. According to the King we're about two weeks away from the coastline, or maybe less if we keep our really comfortable sandals and only stop to sleep or scavenge for food. Enkidel hasn't used his spearfishing skills in quite a while, but even if he doesn't manage to catch any fish he can probably still manage to find himself edible things like shellfish or snails on the beach. And if there are oysters, he might even find himself a worthy offering to El in the form of pearls. They'd certainly carry a lot of meaning, because those pearls he gave to Jalitha are probably what bought her the freedom she has now. Another benefit is that a typical beach is a flat stretch of land, meaning we can see threats from far away and avoid them as necessary.
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By the way, it might have gotten missed under my tide of questions earlier, but I got an idea for an offering. We just learned how to read and write, right? So let's find a stone slab of the appropriate size, gin up some rough tools to carve it a bit with, and then slam down a poem of praise to El and/or a vow to behave in such-and-such a way. Managing to pull that off and then lug the drat thing back to the city while finding food, shelter, and water ought to be a worthy offering, right?
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Sep 24, 2013 21:02
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And we did conceive of some epic rhymes back in the day, when we first met Tudiya.
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Sep 24, 2013 21:06
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I didn't realize we were sworn to secrecy about the sandals but I guess we were.
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Sep 24, 2013 21:10
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^^ Technically he only swore us to secrecy about the visions. retracting my wish to talk about the sandals, I forgot about Ishamal's advice too. If we really want a challenge all we have to do is take them off when we're alone with Snarls! dyzzy fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Sep 24, 2013 |
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dyzzy posted:retracting my wish to talk about the sandals, I forgot about Ishamal's advice too. Aye, changing my vote to this.
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Sep 24, 2013 21:14
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dyzzy posted:^^ Oops yep. Changing my vote too!
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OhYo posted:Oh I forgot the sandals were a part of our secret with Ishamal. Let's keep it on the DL. I feel silly. Changing above votes. Yeah, fine. I love how sandal debate was more intense than bow debate.
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