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Outrail posted:If we survive this we should get a handful of orbs and keep them for exactly the off chance we get in this position again. We destroyed the ones we had because we were afraid of people accidentally getting sucked in and trapped.
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Angela Christine posted:We destroyed the ones we had because we were afraid of people accidentally getting sucked in and trapped. If someone gets trapped we break them. Mostly a non issue.
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Nov 10, 2015 14:20
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Nov 10, 2015 15:56
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Ceramic Shot posted:C with wings AND and also prep a bronze arrow to save even a little more time. Voting for this
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Nov 10, 2015 16:06
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I'm trying really hard to come up with a relevant Red Ox gives you wings quip and failing miserably. Somebody help me out here.
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Nov 10, 2015 16:49
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Ceramic Shot posted:C with wings AND and also prep a bronze arrow to save even a little more time. This is my vote
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Nov 10, 2015 16:51
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There Bias Two posted:I'm trying really hard to come up with a relevant Red Ox gives you wings quip and failing miserably. Somebody help me out here. Ox Blood gives you wings!
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Nov 10, 2015 19:43
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Tomn posted:Ox Blood gives you wings! I feel better now, thanks. So, if our men see us flying, we'll just say it's the ox blood.
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Nov 10, 2015 20:06
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+1 wings
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Nov 10, 2015 20:13
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+ wings and preparing an bronze arrow
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Nov 10, 2015 20:24
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Preparing a bronze arrow is good too
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Nov 10, 2015 21:41
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Nov 10, 2015 23:58
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A big black Kid Icarus Demons gettin' sick of us 
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Nov 11, 2015 02:31
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I sure hope C works
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Nov 11, 2015 13:31
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If nobody makes a "wing it" pun by the next update then I will be very disappointed.
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Nov 11, 2015 17:43
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Write in vote let's wing it
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Nov 11, 2015 17:58
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Thank you
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Nov 11, 2015 18:00
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Dead bull gives you wings.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:34
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It's kinda hilarious that despite the fact that we know it'd probably be a bad idea to let on that we have wings, we consistently use them in every situation where we think we can get away with it and a few where we can't, all because we HAVE that tool in our toolbox, so why wouldn't we use it? Be a waste otherwise, innit? I mean, yes, we have reasons. Gotta save Paebel, gotta make sure the demons don't get up, gotta fight a giant, gotta do this or that, but the thing is we keep finding all sorts of reasons in all sorts of situations all the time, and the more we flaunt those wings the sooner the Balls will notice something's up, on account of they're not idiots. The odd thing is that Enkidel DOES have some modicum of self-control when dealing with his other powers, as witness the fact that nobody called for Ball Trancing or whatnot during the giant fight. So what's going on here? Does Ishamal need to explicitly forbid something before Enkidel acknowledges that a given thing might be unwise? Do we think that the fact that wings are purely physical means they're probably not as metaphysically important? Are we just that confident in Enkidel's ability to make up a good reason to explain the wings away? Or are wings just a new toy we simply can't resist playing with at every opportunity until we get bored?
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Tomn posted:It's kinda hilarious that despite the fact that we know it'd probably be a bad idea to let on that we have wings, we consistently use them in every situation where we think we can get away with it and a few where we can't, all because we HAVE that tool in our toolbox, so why wouldn't we use it? Be a waste otherwise, innit? Our wing use in combat situations has mostly been more of a run speed modifier. Enhanced agility is a suitably Mighty thing to have. Our Balls explain that to themselves for us. "Lookit Enkidel go! He sure is a speedy one." And we know not to openly fly where they can see because we don't want them trying to worship us.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:51
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Tomn posted:It's kinda hilarious that despite the fact that we know it'd probably be a bad idea to let on that we have wings, we consistently use them in every situation where we think we can get away with it and a few where we can't, all because we HAVE that tool in our toolbox, so why wouldn't we use it? Be a waste otherwise, innit? People have specifically forbidden us from ball trancing and whatnot. No one has said poo poo about the wings (yet). As far as we can tell we don't need to experiment with magic to use them. They are just there. Like a sixth finger. So the only reason not to use them is that we're afraid they'll be forbidden later. But so far we have no sign that these wings are forbidden. We've even had a couple calls from the EL-phone and not gotten any hint that we ought to keep the wings on the down low or get rid of them.
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Nov 11, 2015 18:53
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I imagine that killing the ox-demon kind of takes up most of Uriah's attention. It also helps that he's currently bleeding from his eyes. We can get away with this one.
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Nov 11, 2015 19:01
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I think it'd reasonable to assume that Ish and Friends wouldn't want us to show the wings to other people. But if it makes the difference here... we should use them.
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People are willing to bend the rules using a loophole, essentially. I'm sure most "get" that Ishamal and the melachim never want us to use our wings, more than likely. However, if it's a minor infraction we seem to be OK with it. There's been several times where people have suggested flashing our wings at a giant to momentarily shock them or surprise them - it rarely ever gets any support. People seem to realize using the wings overtly is probably bad. When it comes to using them in a non-overt way to gain a slight advantage, most people are cool with it. The whole "bend the rules but don't break them" has really been our MO for a greater part of the game. We rationalize why certain things should be done or aren't technically breaking the rules all the time. Ishamal tells us not to experiment - we experiment but explain it away because its a dire situation or Ball Trancing/Arrow Time isn't really experimenting (totally is/was). Tudiya tells us not to have anything to do with Indor - we still do, but explain it away as a necessity for our men's survival, Tudiya's a conservative zealot, Puabi is our waifu, etc. On our manhood trial we use our sandals - explain it away that it wasn't cheating because we were given those to use, and doesn't count for the one item only rule. When it comes to doing stuff we shouldn't, we usually are pretty cool with bending the rules to the point of almost breaking them.
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dyzzy posted:I think it'd reasonable to assume that Ish and Friends wouldn't want us to show the wings to other people. But if it makes the difference here... we should use them. We're doing a Good Thing here. This isn't exactly a gratuitous use of our powers to rescue a village from flesh-eating giants.
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There Bias Two posted:We're doing a Good Thing here. This isn't exactly a gratuitous use of our powers to rescue a village from flesh-eating giants. After the battle at Tanaach, when we used Ball Trance to defend the temple, Ishamal pretty much said "What you did is incredibly heroic and you saved countless lives. Now, stop using Ball Trance."
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Nov 11, 2015 19:26
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Eh. We know why using powers are bad. 1. Drains well makes us weaker. 2. Beacon to demons. We know why using our wings is bad 1. If anyone sees us we're better off killing them. Because the shitstorm will be huge. But! If no-one sees us using our wings that is fine!
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Slight random question, Diog But Kavodel is really an exceptional melting pot, at this point. Ibleamites, Tanaachians, Zepathans...how have things gelled, socially? Is there friction between the groups or is everyone basically gently caress Yea Kavodel? Just curious because we're potentially introducing a fourth group to the mix if we're able to recuse any of these people all the way back to safety.
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There Bias Two posted:We're doing a Good Thing here. This isn't exactly a gratuitous use of our powers to rescue a village from flesh-eating giants. I agree but fully expect to get lip about it. Also, it was close but I managed to get a PhD before Enkidel died 
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dyzzy posted:I agree but fully expect to get lip about it. Congrats on the PhD!
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Nov 11, 2015 20:12
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dyzzy posted:I agree but fully expect to get lip about it. Holy poo poo well done bro
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FoxTerrier posted:Slight random question, Diog But Kavodel is really an exceptional melting pot, at this point. Ibleamites, Tanaachians, Zepathans...how have things gelled, socially? Is there friction between the groups or is everyone basically gently caress Yea Kavodel? IIRC, Diog mentioned that it's pretty much "gently caress yeah, Kavodel!" And congrats on the PhD, dyzzy!
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Tomn posted:It's kinda hilarious that despite the fact that we know it'd probably be a bad idea to let on that we have wings, we consistently use them in every situation where we think we can get away with it and a few where we can't, all because we HAVE that tool in our toolbox, so why wouldn't we use it? Be a waste otherwise, innit? I'd say the difference is that they're limbs; not using powers is one thing, not using our legs or arms or something would be absurd. Having wings is similar to if we had a secret third arm or something; certainly using them in a way that would draw attention would be bad, because of the effects it would have on how people see us, which we know is something our 'superiors' want us to avoid, but outside of situations in which people will clearly observe that we've got wings, ignoring them would be like ignoring our ability to run, or pick things up. E: Also yes, grats Dyzzy; PhD in what, if you're comfortable?
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Theglavwen posted:I'd say the difference is that they're limbs; not using powers is one thing, not using our legs or arms or something would be absurd. Having wings is similar to if we had a secret third arm or something; certainly using them in a way that would draw attention would be bad, because of the effects it would have on how people see us, which we know is something our 'superiors' want us to avoid, but outside of situations in which people will clearly observe that we've got wings, ignoring them would be like ignoring our ability to run, or pick things up. I think as long as we don't actually show the wings, we won't have too much trouble even if people find out we can fly. After all, Enkidu flew by throwing his club really hard into the air according to the Old Tales. It'd be suspicious, but not worthy of worship, if the Mightiest Man they've ever seen were able to fly. It is the wings themselves, and their connection to the Melachim that would cause the real issue. And if they do give us a hard time, we could always mention that Ish can fly, so we think it's just an old blooded power that was lost at some point.
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Using our wings to do wing things is no more experimenting than using our legs to do leg things, what Ishamal is on about is experimenting with powers we don't understand ie when a vote option is either literal gibberish or explicitly states that we don't know how, but we can still do it And doing things that would make people worship us, obviously e:fb alpaca diseases fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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maxhush posted:Using our wings to do wing things is no more experimenting than using our legs to do leg things I think his point is that whenever we're using those abilities, we're literally screwing around with quarks and gluons and muons and the fabric of spacetime when we have no idea how *any* of that works. We're doing all this stuff on an instinctual level and it wouldn't be too hard to accidentally break something or someone unintentionally. Diog has repeatedly emphasized how we don't understand the knowledge that that the Melachim give us sometimes, and I think the understanding of our abilities is no different. He teaches us how to do things with finesse rather than raw power.
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dyzzy posted:I agree but fully expect to get lip about it. Congrats, mon ami! Affi posted:Eh. I think the poo poo storm is inevitable and we should reveal it under our own terms to try and contain it, but the thread is afraid of the melachim police. Mark my words!!!!!
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Theglavwen posted:E: Also yes, grats Dyzzy; PhD in what, if you're comfortable? Thanks! I'm in electrical engineering, I study these if you are so inclined.
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