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I wonder if it is entirely within our power to purge our mind of thoughts and memories, specific or in total.
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Zeroisanumber posted:What are Grigori? A subset of Melachim I think. Not that it matters because we'll never learn anything because team El seems heartset on murdering every potential source of information in the name of fundamentalist religious fanaticism.
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Jul 19, 2018 05:59
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Outrail posted:A subset of Melachim I think. Not that it matters because we'll never learn anything because team El seems heartset on murdering every potential source of information in the name of fundamentalist religious fanaticism. I would be more sympathetic if the people whom you're talking about weren't committed heretics. El is the king of the world! 
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Jul 19, 2018 06:04
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Olothreutes posted:It could even have been Gebek himself. I would not put it past him to shout something along the lines of "I am Gebek, son of Amok, and for the transgressions of your accursed angel-son you and your line will perish!" Tudiya also knew about the Amalakites already, no doubt through the archives- so it’s possible that whichever King or whoever that journeyed there and returned also found out a little about at least the holdings around the periphery of FakeMoks lands
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Jul 19, 2018 06:13
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Zeroisanumber posted:I would be more sympathetic if the people whom you're talking about weren't committed heretics. I'm sorry, sir, but the king of the world passed away in 1912
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Jul 19, 2018 06:21
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Hellsau posted:Azz is our great friend that we can't completely trust, like we'd go on a road trip with them but we probably wouldn't let them be magistrate for a year or whatever. 
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Jul 19, 2018 06:29
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Zeroisanumber posted:I would be more sympathetic if the people whom you're talking about weren't committed heretics. That's a stupid loving statement. El is king of Ur, maybe, if El even exists. If El was king of the world why does giant land exist? Why does Anthar exist? Why does it matter if they're committed heretics? They have information we want (or at least we really should want) and killing them means that information is lost. I think hardcore team El players are scared of finding information in case it turns out El isn't real, or is a scam or something other than the god they want to believe in.
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Jul 19, 2018 06:48
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 Holy poo poo, you've been a threadperson for what, a day or so? You're already fitting right in, this is fantastic.
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Jul 19, 2018 06:48
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We can't take off our laurels here: this is Bnaimokt country!
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Jul 19, 2018 06:52
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MinistryofLard posted:We can't take off our laurels here: this is Bnaimokt country! We were somewhere around Baitel on the edge of the grasslands when the Presence began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should take the lead..." And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the caravan, which was going about 10,000 paces a day to Kadmonim. Saganlives fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Jul 19, 2018 07:01
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GreyjoyBastard posted:A false name for something or other, devised by the monster spirit known as Azzazel to lead us astray. You and the other true believers don't need to worry about it. Lmao
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Jul 19, 2018 07:18
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Patrick Spens posted:Somebody warned Tudiya in a dream that Taanach was radioactive and that no one should drink water from the river for several days. I assume it was the Melachim. I thought they communicated that through Ish. (I'm happy to be corrected, but my memory was that Ish conveyed that information.)
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Jul 19, 2018 07:28
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GreyjoyBastard posted:A false name for something or other, devised by the monster spirit known as Azzazel to lead us astray. You and the other true believers don't need to worry about it. Zepa's monument mentioned that name too.
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Jul 19, 2018 07:29
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Zepa's monument mentioned that name too. More evidence that a full inquisition is required to purge this demonic corruption.
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Jul 19, 2018 07:33
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We should have the Fare worshipper burned at the loving stake (steak for Slaan). Lets do our first public execution here in Libnah. We can figure out what to do with the rest of the poor shmucks later. We could even have some of our sons pick em up for us. We have plenty of sons who would love to do typical father son/grandpa grandson stuff for us like picking up cultists, reinspiring the faith and executing the heretic. Ahh this game just gives me the warm fuzzy feelings sometimes.
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Jul 19, 2018 07:41
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Zeroisanumber posted:What are Grigori? Ish has said it's a different name for the melachim, but I'm not 100% sure that's true given the usage elsewhere. It seems to have a fairly universal etymological root, though, because Gregarem and other such terms have shown up as well and are pretty clearly related.
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Jul 19, 2018 08:33
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Outrail posted:That's a stupid loving statement. El is king of Ur, maybe, if El even exists. If El was king of the world why does giant land exist? Why does Anthar exist? El created Demons to test mankind. He could destroy them at any time, but to do so wouldn’t be to deny Men their free will and the chance to prove themselves worthy of climbing Mt. Har. EL HA MELECH
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Jul 19, 2018 13:53
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Tudiya didn't learn Gebek's name from in Bnaimokt prisoners because no Bnaimokt prisoners were taken in that battle. He very well could have learned it from Gebek himself, or in the manner Enkidel learned the Zviv's name.
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When we got back from our trip and Tudiya made Ishamal fill him in on what happened ,Tudiya already seemed to know all about the giants. Still kind of annoyed that he didn't clue us in before we went down with the intention of making allies with them. e: It's possible he already knew Gebek's name or looked it up later in the archives? Tudiya knows a lot more than we think. Diogines posted:You return Tudiya's shield to him, even carrying it for months you are still not used to it, it seemed to be both truly weightless and impenetrable. Tudiya hugs you for a moment and then sits, you sit next to him "Welcome home my son. Now, your report. What have you found?" Cornuto fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jul 19, 2018 |
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Cornuto posted:When we got back from our trip and Tudiya made Ishamal fill him in on what happened ,Tudiya already seemed to know all about the giants. Still kind of annoyed that he didn't clue us in before we went down with the intention of making allies with them. To be fair, we didn't exactly clue him in on that.
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Jul 19, 2018 14:55
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MinistryofLard posted:We can't take off our laurels here: this is Bnaimokt country! This thread is so incredibly beautiful
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Jul 19, 2018 15:05
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Outrail posted:That's a stupid loving statement. El is king of Ur, maybe, if El even exists. If El was king of the world why does giant land exist? Why does Anthar exist? It is both an aspirational statement and a statement of fact. Those who deny it are heretics and demon worshippers who should be killed or forcibly converted. The fact that they're here in Ur and making converts is doubly-sinful because this is land which is already claimed by El.
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Jul 19, 2018 15:27
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Cornuto posted:When we got back from our trip and Tudiya made Ishamal fill him in on what happened ,Tudiya already seemed to know all about the giants. Still kind of annoyed that he didn't clue us in before we went down with the intention of making allies with them. “I am told it’s unlikely they will respond” Great foresight on part of the Trio there.
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Mr. Nemo posted:“I am told it’s unlikely they will respond” I think when we used the Seir arrow we clued in Gebek to where we were. Which is why he showed up at Acco.
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Jul 19, 2018 15:32
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Mr. Nemo posted:“I am told it’s unlikely they will respond” There was a scene later on where Gebek tracked our trail back to the clearing we teleported out of. He may very well have sniffed us out from there. I just lol at how completely pissed off he must've been when he finally broke out of his room and found that we'd sacked his town, killed all of his men who were anywhere nearby, stole all of his food, and robbed anything worthwhile.
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Jul 19, 2018 15:35
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Zeroisanumber posted:There was a scene later on where Gebek tracked our trail back to the clearing we teleported out of. He may very well have sniffed us out from there. I think that was a poster's fan-fiction rather than a Diogenes post.
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Jul 19, 2018 15:37
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Cornuto posted:I think that was a poster's fan-fiction rather than a Diogenes post. I swear it was a Diog post but who can really say anymore?
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Jul 19, 2018 15:42
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Zeroisanumber posted:I swear it was a Diog post but who can really say anymore? I think we *did* have a follow-up vision suggesting that he discovered us, but there was also a fan-fiction post about it.
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Jul 19, 2018 15:43
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I don't think you need to write a fan fic to imagine that he was mightily pissed off at being so owned.
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Outrail posted:That's a stupid loving statement. El is king of Ur, maybe, if El even exists. If El was king of the world why does giant land exist? Why does Anthar exist? Information is great, but we need to be massively suspicious of information coming from cultists, since they have every reason to lie to us. Also they have their own very clearly wrong beliefs in the form of their creation myths. "Nusku created the world!" "No, Asherah created the world!" Hell, the Amalek giants probably believe their new Amok created the world. If you want a candidate for the creator, we can feel the great and overwhelming presence of Mt Har. Even Amok could feel that. Where are the equivalent presences for neo-Amok, or Nusku, or Asherah?
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There Bias Two posted:I think we *did* have a follow-up vision suggesting that he discovered us, but there was also a fan-fiction post about it. This is right. Someone wrote a few mini CYOA posts from Gebek's perspective that included another Amalakite giant using their powers at the El Grove to track down Enkidel + Co. Later, Enkidel had a vision that seemed to show a very angry presence investigating the grove. I think the vision showed the stumps of the trees that were transformed into the poles used in the teleport.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Information is great, but we need to be massively suspicious of information coming from cultists, since they have every reason to lie to us. Also they have their own very clearly wrong beliefs in the form of their creation myths. "Nusku created the world!" "No, Asherah created the world!" Hell, the Amalek giants probably believe their new Amok created the world. amalekite giants believe the world was created in a massive cannibalistic blood orgy, we actually asked about
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Jul 19, 2018 16:33
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Triple dad's comments on war are interesting given what we know now. Ish and 3d know and knew a lot more than they let on. We should talk to dad more.
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Jul 19, 2018 17:30
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Actually it seems as though 3d wanted to talk about other things, it's time - he's my heir - just done a thing. Yet ish only recalled what we already know because we did it almost as a change of subject? Does anyone else read the passage that way?
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Information is great, but we need to be massively suspicious of information coming from cultists, since they have every reason to lie to us. Also they have their own very clearly wrong beliefs in the form of their creation myths. "Nusku created the world!" "No, Asherah created the world!" Hell, the Amalek giants probably believe their new Amok created the world. Even lies cast a shadow of truth. Yes we know they'll lie about some things, but they'll tell the truth about other things. If we get enough statements from enough disseparate sources we can get an idea of what's true and what's made up bullshit.
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Outrail posted:Even lies cast a shadow of truth. Yes we know they'll lie about some things, but they'll tell the truth about other things. If we get enough statements from enough disseparate sources we can get an idea of what's true and what's made up bullshit. Basically this. Same way we can sorta suss out what the true names of things may be, or at least see the relation of concepts across cultures and civs in this world by asking them about (x) and seeing the common etymological roots and archetypes.
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SerSpook posted:amalekite giants believe the world was created in a massive cannibalistic blood orgy, we actually asked about FoxTerrier posted:Oh yeah, one more, kind of a big one: Diogines posted:The giant says "The Great Ancient Ones copulated with and feasted with and upon each other. The world is what remains from their orgy of blood and death. The Pantokrator, the greatest of their children built Amalek and sculpted us from clay and amber."
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Huh. Somehow in my head I got it mixed up that the Pantokrator was the creator of all else in their story. Apparently the Pantokrator was a child of the Ancient Ones.
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Jul 19, 2018 18:33
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Interesting as I see amok as a big cool dude but a lower tier than the giants and fare. Wonder how the timing works. If his kids build fake amok then surely he should be more powerful. But then why is fare still happily ticking along with seemingly no damage.
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