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Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

I do think the four arrows were like sauron making the ring. Very potent but if they get magically destroyed the maker is not having a good time.

Polgas fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Sep 21, 2019

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SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Well think of it like this

Presence is the feeling of something... some quality or amount that "things" "have" or maybe "do"

SPIRIT is apparently some kind of substance that comprises all other things in one sense, and is used to make things be the way the wielder desires in another sense. Things that have a lot of spirit tend to have odd or strong or maybe no presences.

Blood is a needed substance for the function of life. All advanced living beings have blood (I think? ichor? some blood analogue? Even plants have sap or juice). Without blood they will die at least. Additionally blood is used as a medium for other things such as AIs and language, knowledge and power as in the arrow and the drop Amok flicked. It may be that blood is a medium for all those things because they're all the same. Blood also has restrictions and demands. The jackelope and lemur want specific stuff done with it. El and the monument demand specific restrictions on it.

The land is sort of related to presence. Often it's owned by something that has presence. It's also related to heathen desires of blood, and related to El who says blood and body parts of people must be put in the land in a specific way.

Worship is maybe the least connected concept. Worship and respect feels a certain way, and people often worship things that have presence. Things that have A LOT of presence seem to impress a desire to worship them. When we sacrifice to El we are giving worship and maybe also uh the substance that is in the sacrifice? But what El seems to like and the sacrifice "stuff" are not always 1:1. It may be spirit is the stuff of big sacrifices and demon bodies, it may not only be that. It might be that El doesn't particularly give a poo poo about spirit in particular, I don't know.

Blasphemaster
Jul 10, 2008

The Rings analogy isn't apt, as Sauron just made the one in secret while Celebrimbor took his idea of making rings for the rulers and ran with it. Then Sauron pulls his bait and switch to gently caress everything because that's his deal, gently caress you and your glowy tree and your...SUN and all that bright poo poo.

It's be like 'Sup Samson. How about we make some matching armlets for all the mighty men? Be awesome.' and he's all 'gently caress yeah let's do it.' but then 'Haaa tricked you now they all have Alzheimer's have fun with that rear end in a top hat.' and then we gently caress off to Kavodel to Smith up some more Heresy.

Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

Not that part but the part where Sauron poured himself into the ring that made the ring a powerful artifact but when it was destroyed Sauron went with it because the ring was part of him and so much of him went up in lava.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Yeah polgas gets where I'm coming from

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Theory: horses can live in the grasslands because jackelope deity & other similar traditions involved putting blood and other stuff downwards into the soil like as described in the temple.

Enough has accumulated over the eons, and is still maintained -- well at least for the lemur which is a bad example but iirc party grandma said the jackalope had other active temples further in, coincidentally where there are more and better horses -- anyway enough has entered the soil so that its nature now supports horses, or the plants horses need, or whatever.

El forbids that sort of practice and wants people buried, not ritually "payed downwards," and so not only are no horses in Ur, the ones brought in die, if they aren't actively killed. Because in this sense horses are the animal equivalent of the blood tree of Amok. The blood tree doesn't self destruct or get space murdered, because it's a plant and so it has something like slow living, horses are active creatures and so "burn out" without the indirect blood eating from the soil every time they eat.

This theory can possibly be proven or disproved with my 69 step plan that starts with bringing home a big rear end sack or pot of grassland soil from the wildest part of the grasslands that is also unowned and not potentially tainted by goblins.

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It's also another interesting difference between the civilized world and outsiders: at home sacrifices are offered UP as the rising smoke of burnt offerings. People are buried and never ever cremated because they are explicitly NOT offerings and it would be hosed UP if they were.

In the grasslands things are at least in part offered DOWN, as a chthonic eversion to something that cannot be El because it is not receiving offerings sent up towards the the big guy who literally exists on the top of the world.

So the structure of El religion as far as I can tell has yet one more subtle dogma to help exclude hosed up situations from happening and help be super sure that everything goes to the one being it should, El.

Physically cannot offer materials downwards towards nisaba or whatever, because they're blocked by an awesome cool altar made of stone to specific parameters, except for dire times where you specifically remove grass and smooth the ground to resemble an altar, and then burn your sacrifice anyway and it goes up

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Theory: El exists

Fact: El is delicious mass of power that NEEDS TO BE EATEN BY OG FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CANNIBAL SOCIALISTS

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Actually u will see that cannibals are essentially food capitalists, let us begin with the vampiric hemophagous nature of the bourgeoisie,

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
No True Cannibal is a capitalist

You see under the dialectic discussion Asherah presented in her seminal work On Blood, Guts, Ethics and HUNGER, Asherah found that the best way to spread the wealth of the 1% was through literally eating the rich.

In this essay I will show... (1/237)

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Offer up to AIR
Offer down to EARTH
etc

Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

Why kind of bless did Nusku take to be God of Fire, Money and Cocaine and also star gazing.

Did he tank his scales which is why he has a desert?

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Slaan posted:

Theory: El exists

Fact: El is delicious mass of power that NEEDS TO BE EATEN BY OG FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CANNIBAL SOCIALISTS

Turns out I'm back on Team Hunger, nomnomnom

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe

TK-42-1 posted:

Offer up to AIR
Offer down to EARTH
etc

One thing I used to loathe about this game and LBtR was how difficult it is to get concrete information since there was always some maddening bit of information or cryptic clue that would be revealed by chance, turning everything we thought we knew on its head or merely insserting doubt into long-held beliefs.

Now I'm simply in awe of how well the world is laid out to the point where even quasi-divine figures don't seem to have any clue how everything really works. And them not knowing makes sense within the narrative!

I also like when Diog quizzes new players as to what mistakes they think we made and what their personal theories are. It's like a social experiment: in a world where the supernatural is commonplace and gods exist yet the established theology is demonstrably flawed, what superstitions and belief structures would a group of skeptical outside observers form? In the course of six thousand pages we've had mass conversions, deconversions, agnosticism, reconversions, schisms into a variety of subgroups with defined sets of core beliefs and even names (Teams El, Boring, Hunger, etc), superstitions, and even developed rituals asking divine figures (Snarls, Ishamal, Uriah, Tudiya) for guidance.

A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Sep 21, 2019

hollylolly
Jun 5, 2009

Do you like superheroes? Check out my CYOA Mutants: Uprising

How about weird historical fiction? Try Vampires of the Caribbean

I thought Team El and Team Boring were two names for the same team.

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe
Probably? I just figured team boring was somewhat more risk averse and more likely to defer to Ishamal or Tudiya than team El, but I'm likely wrong.

Then again, I also think there's far fewer members of team El as opposed to people who simply accept El as Enkidel's God.

*Edit* Totally unrelated, but I still can't get over the fact that we made a way to communicate with the Divine using mechanical means via the SMS.

El may not answer prayers directly, but Enkidel can ask Snarls to ask Ishamal pretty much anything (imperfectly) and expect to receive an answer that the Trio would allow him to receive, and they can speak with the authority of the will of the Creator.

Snarls is the Metatron, if the Metatron used flashcards to pass along intercessory prayers.

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Theory: horses can live in the grasslands because jackelope deity & other similar traditions involved putting blood and other stuff downwards into the soil like as described in the temple.

Enough has accumulated over the eons, and is still maintained -- well at least for the lemur which is a bad example but iirc party grandma said the jackalope had other active temples further in, coincidentally where there are more and better horses -- anyway enough has entered the soil so that its nature now supports horses, or the plants horses need, or whatever.

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It's also another interesting difference between the civilized world and outsiders: at home sacrifices are offered UP as the rising smoke of burnt offerings. People are buried and never ever cremated because they are explicitly NOT offerings and it would be hosed UP if they were.

In the grasslands things are at least in part offered DOWN, as a chthonic eversion to something that cannot be El because it is not receiving offerings sent up towards the the big guy who literally exists on the top of the world.

So the structure of El religion as far as I can tell has yet one more subtle dogma to help exclude hosed up situations from happening and help be super sure that everything goes to the one being it should, El.

Physically cannot offer materials downwards towards nisaba or whatever, because they're blocked by an awesome cool altar made of stone to specific parameters, except for dire times where you specifically remove grass and smooth the ground to resemble an altar, and then burn your sacrifice anyway and it goes up

I don't know how I missed this, but I always love your theories!

As a counter, maybe El locked all minor and major gods out of Ur and their descendants either die or cannot thrive there? Suppose there's a patron horse deity somewhere in the Grasslands? So long as it lives, horses cannot survive in Ur. Everfang was the patron of wolves. Dogs exist in Ur, but do wolves? Goats are ubiquitous and can eat anything, and Azzazzel seems to be able to skirt the rules when it comes to visiting owned territory.

Does any of that mean anything? Probably not! But it's food for thought.

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I wonder if you finally figured out why Enkidel gets face spiders from the Gebebans?

Their spirit doesn't go to El. Burning them would be blasphemy. Yet burying them with their spirit waiting to transition may in fact be a type of sacrifice to an unknown deity in its own way. Leaving them to rot in the sun is likely also taboo. Enkidel might be in a spiritual catch-22 situation and doesn't even know how or why.

A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Sep 21, 2019

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
The Gebeban situation is easy to fix.

Eat them

That way no "God" gets their tiny amount of yummy spirits and there is no spiritual catch-22. Instead, only Og gets the power and the yummy yummy taste

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

SniperWoreConverse posted:

IMO we just aren't old enough yet for me to vote for loving around with that. Especially cause Ish said when we are old man we're gonna be super pissed at ourselves for being so wasteful in our youth.

I mean yes we'll gently caress it up so nah, but you should probably make your peace with Enkidel never getting to be an old man.

Blasphemaster
Jul 10, 2008

We are old enough that the normies born on the same day as us are dead or senile. It's pretty old. As for becoming old for a Nephilim , eh...maybe. Team Boring has a strong hold on the reigns but we are extremely good at being unintentionally suicidal.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010


I've made a huge mistake.

Blasphemaster posted:

We are old enough that the normies born on the same day as us are dead or senile. It's pretty old. As for becoming old for a Nephilim , eh...maybe. Team Boring has a strong hold on the reigns but we are extremely good at being unintentionally suicidal.

non-zepathan normies, anyway

unblooded zepathans at 100 aren't all that unusual, the guy who blessed us at the Mountain was the oldest unblooded person except Indor in Zepath at a whopping 170

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
Wolves I think are in Ur as well as bears and lions and stuff. Iirc wolves had been attracted to El's defiled shrine and were real weird about it and upset. Maybe they were local dogs that seemed to become wild?

It's cool how when there's no people around El's shrines attract powerful animals

Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

I've thought of a possible Kavodel upgrade. Dig pools/wells at strategic points all over the city so enkidel can just fling the mighty men and the vet balls there to redeploy quickly. Enkidel can just pull an eliahaba and grab onto a big block of stone as it flies to catch up.

Since the mighty men can harden their shields maybe they don't need the water and just need a clear field to crash into but since enkidel is the only one strong enough for this he'll need to rush over there with mercy to set it up again so ideally the well/pools would work and maybe this will be enough for the vet balls who can't harden stuff yet.

Technically he could harden to tank crashing to the ground but until the cost goes down to trivial ??? expenditure it's not worth it apart from maybe once per battle.

If this isn't doable then we can just use the river if we need to rapidly deploy from one end of the river near kavodel to the other.

The battle of acco showed how vital it is to be able to react to the battlefield. Quickly redeploying from one place to another proved vital.

This can also be a spite vote at those cursed urian melachim that denied us wing practice. Flight will be ours one way or the other. We are the best and our desires deserve to be brought to fruition. And they will be.

I think we can also fold in flying archery practice when we train with the mighty men to master being paratroopers.

Also master blooded bow making so Asahel jr. can also practice flying archery while practicing to be a blooded paratrooper.

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe

SniperWoreConverse posted:

Wolves I think are in Ur as well as bears and lions and stuff. Iirc wolves had been attracted to El's defiled shrine and were real weird about it and upset. Maybe they were local dogs that seemed to become wild?

It's cool how when there's no people around El's shrines attract powerful animals

Well... poo poo.

I guess I just assumed Ur was sparse when it comes to common wildlife. At least we know there's no groundhogs?


Enkidel: I want you to throw me as hard as you can.
Uriah: What??
Enkidel : I want you to throw me, as hard as- Aaaaah..! oh, hey, I can see Athar from here!

A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Sep 22, 2019

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Theory 1 re: blood object crafting: the Blooded actually use up their (finite) supply of Bloodedness in doing that. This wasn't too much of an issue for the first few generations. For later generations, it can actually stop them being able to climb the mountain, hence the prohibition.

Theory 2 re: blood object crafting: this world has something like the Dominions magic system, where blood magic is one of the core classes. Magic crafting using your own blood is in the same realm as sacrificing blood slaves or making the flesh cart, hence the prohibition. (Support for this is in Zepa's monument and it's prohibition on loving with the dead or with living blood/flesh. We've seen death magic in the form of zombies. We've seen blood magic in the form of stuff powered by blood slaves.)

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

A Terrible Person posted:

Well... poo poo.

I guess I just assumed Ur was sparse when it comes to common wildlife. At least we know there's no groundhogs?


Enkidel: I want you to throw me as hard as you can.
Uriah: What??
Enkidel : I want you to throw me, as hard as- Aaaaah..! oh, hey, I can see Athar from here!

well it's sparse around home for some reason. Don't appear to be many minotaurs or dire lions. for some reason.


Lead out in cuffs posted:

Theory 1 re: blood object crafting: the Blooded actually use up their (finite) supply of Bloodedness in doing that. This wasn't too much of an issue for the first few generations. For later generations, it can actually stop them being able to climb the mountain, hence the prohibition.

Theory 2 re: blood object crafting: this world has something like the Dominions magic system, where blood magic is one of the core classes. Magic crafting using your own blood is in the same realm as sacrificing blood slaves or making the flesh cart, hence the prohibition. (Support for this is in Zepa's monument and it's prohibition on loving with the dead or with living blood/flesh. We've seen death magic in the form of zombies. We've seen blood magic in the form of stuff powered by blood slaves.)

2 makes sense even if it's not dominionsesque -- things that appear similar to forbidden acts are also forbidden or absolutely not hosed with. Even the implication that what you're doing might be close is enough to prevent people from doing it in our society. We and a lotta others know for a fact the monstrous enemies of mankind actively do poo poo like that for whatever sicko reason and so we absolutely do not even approximate it.

Big example is we know if someone saw us messing around with the blood tree it would look real drat bad and anyone who saw it would be shocked and severely bitch us out, minimum.

Also lol at the reaction we got when we mentioned Amok's tree to party aunt's old lady -- haha how you like them apples maybe we're into some real hosed up poo poo you don't know me as well as you think

SniperWoreConverse fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Sep 22, 2019

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
The iron reaction makes sense. You know that demons use obviously evil, soul imperiling techniques for a lot of stuff. You know they have iron. You know the methods of iron and it doesn't seem to be evil, but how do you know for sure that it's benign? Could be all kinda hosed up spiritual horrors backing iron, how do you know for sure when you can't see? Sure kings and stuff would know and Dad provisionally approved it, and it also has obvious mundane drawbacks, but maybe better to stick with the known Labaras-approved methods that you for sure are able to be certain are ok until you can get someone who can know to double check your work.

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe

SniperWoreConverse posted:

well it's sparse around home for some reason. Don't appear to be many minotaurs or dire lions. for some reason.

Soon smiting mosquitoes and horse flies will be enough to pass a manhood trial. Kids these days..

It's extremely odd that people who can taste the base components of alloys and are master smiths never figured out iron, now that you mention it.

A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Sep 22, 2019

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva
it could be that they decided it's garbage and a dead end, or maybe they do know and use it in some other alloys or something. Or that they can tell iron is in it but don't know if it's metallic iron or rust. Or it might not even BE metallic iron it could be rust that is somehow transformed when smelting it with whatever weird ore, but still stays as rust to provide some kind of substrate for the other metals?

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe
Each of those are definite possibilities. They could even also have a cultural prohibition against iron just like Zepath. Or making Blooded iron is just so difficult that ironwork in general is viewed as a lost cause or dead end.

I get the feeling that the harder something is to work with, the less powerful it is. I honestly think that "barkstone" is just çlay, for example.

alpaca diseases
May 19, 2009

A Terrible Person posted:

Soon smiting mosquitoes and horse flies will be enough to pass a manhood trial. Kids these days..

It's extremely odd that people who can taste the base components of alloys and are master smiths never figured out iron, now that you mention it.

Perhaps they did, but why bother?- Bronze is easier to work for all the mundane stuff, and Blooded Bronze is superior for all the non-mundane stuff

Sampson had some good points re: the ecological impact of a city/region pursuing iron working and Tudiya had some good points re: the political impact- both would ring extra true in the Interior

Also there's the simple fact that if something is worth knowing, then Labaras would've passed that knowledge on :colbert:

Pustulio
Mar 21, 2012
I blew through this thread over the last couple weeks so things are sort of a blur, but I had a question:

Has it ever been explicitly stated by someone who knows that the trio/pretty much any Melachim actually serve El? I've been reading them more as... I guess administrators who want the world to continue, but don't really seem to have any boss that we have heard of.

Not saying El doesn't exist, but it's looked to me that he is maybe an independent power. One who is maybe respected by other powers in the world, but not necessarily served by them? The advice from those powers telling us to stay in El's good graces could be interpreted less as a direct instruction from god, and more a bit of friendly advice from people who don't want to see us destroyed by said god after pissing him off in some way.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

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Pustulio posted:

I blew through this thread over the last couple weeks so things are sort of a blur, but I had a question:

Has it ever been explicitly stated by someone who knows that the trio/pretty much any Melachim actually serve El? I've been reading them more as... I guess administrators who want the world to continue, but don't really seem to have any boss that we have heard of.

Not saying El doesn't exist, but it's looked to me that he is maybe an independent power. One who is maybe respected by other powers in the world, but not necessarily served by them? The advice from those powers telling us to stay in El's good graces could be interpreted less as a direct instruction from god, and more a bit of friendly advice from people who don't want to see us destroyed by said god after pissing him off in some way.

I'm not sure a Melachim has ever actually said the word "El," but they do all seem to talk about serving the Father, who is pretty well understood to be El.

Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

Maybe blooded bronze is the urian horse. You'd have to be Enkidel stubborn to make them if you are outside El lands.

Pustulio
Mar 21, 2012

Polgas posted:

Maybe blooded bronze is the urian horse. You'd have to be Enkidel stubborn to make them if you are outside El lands.

I thought you meant Trojan horse for a second, and then had the idea of Enkidel making a giant horse statue out of blooded bronze to give to the fish demons as a trap.

Polgas
Sep 2, 2018


With one hand he saves gebs. With the other he commits goblin genocide. A true neutral.

I mean Khasis made a bunch of bulls out of blooded bronze. No reason eventually blooded bronze horses would be available.

Swedish Thaumocracy
Jul 11, 2006

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Polgas posted:

I mean Khasis made a bunch of bulls out of blooded bronze. No reason eventually blooded bronze horses would be available.

:siren: Timeskip smithing project found.

Boonoo
Nov 4, 2009

ASHRAKAN!
Take your Thralls and dive back into the depths! Give us the meat and GO!
Grimey Drawer

Pustulio posted:

I blew through this thread over the last couple weeks so things are sort of a blur, but I had a question:

Has it ever been explicitly stated by someone who knows that the trio/pretty much any Melachim actually serve El? I've been reading them more as... I guess administrators who want the world to continue, but don't really seem to have any boss that we have heard of.

Not saying El doesn't exist, but it's looked to me that he is maybe an independent power. One who is maybe respected by other powers in the world, but not necessarily served by them? The advice from those powers telling us to stay in El's good graces could be interpreted less as a direct instruction from god, and more a bit of friendly advice from people who don't want to see us destroyed by said god after pissing him off in some way.

Welcome to the thread!

I thought they had made their devotion to El clear in that first meeting we had with them, but I’d have to go back and check.

My understanding is that they’re not in absolute lockstep with the Church of Baitel. As far as I see it, there being daylight between what El wants, what the Church wants, and what the trio wants is important to keep in mind.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Swedish Thaumocracy posted:

:siren: Timeskip smithing project found.



If we put some of our blood into it we will get Neighs Whinny.

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pustulio posted:

I blew through this thread over the last couple weeks so things are sort of a blur, but I had a question:

Has it ever been explicitly stated by someone who knows that the trio/pretty much any Melachim actually serve El? I've been reading them more as... I guess administrators who want the world to continue, but don't really seem to have any boss that we have heard of.

Not saying El doesn't exist, but it's looked to me that he is maybe an independent power. One who is maybe respected by other powers in the world, but not necessarily served by them? The advice from those powers telling us to stay in El's good graces could be interpreted less as a direct instruction from god, and more a bit of friendly advice from people who don't want to see us destroyed by said god after pissing him off in some way.

Hey welcome! It’s kind of a gray area because we’ve been told that the Pantokrator (ir the one true god) hosed off. But also that El is the same entity and we don’t know for sure which is true. But we know that whatever calls itself El is both immensely powerful to the power where even looking at it on the astral plane will obliterate our personality, and also super cool with what we are doing mostly. However, what we know and what the church and therefore regular people know isn’t exactly square. Our divine friends know what’s up but won’t tell us and the people we’ve talked to either don’t know how contemporary things work or are loathe to contradict our dogma.

It’s fun to try and suss out the details and craft a coherent theory so have at. No one is going to make fun of your theories. At worst they’ll point out stuff we know that contradicts it and even then it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

A Terrible Person
Jan 8, 2012

The Dance of Friendship

Fun Shoe

TK-42-1 posted:

Hey welcome! It’s kind of a gray area because we’ve been told that the Pantokrator (ir the one true god) hosed off. But also that El is the same entity and we don’t know for sure which is true. But we know that whatever calls itself El is both immensely powerful to the power where even looking at it on the astral plane will obliterate our personality, and also super cool with what we are doing mostly. However, what we know and what the church and therefore regular people know isn’t exactly square. Our divine friends know what’s up but won’t tell us and the people we’ve talked to either don’t know how contemporary things work or are loathe to contradict our dogma.

It’s fun to try and suss out the details and craft a coherent theory so have at. No one is going to make fun of your theories. At worst they’ll point out stuff we know that contradicts it and even then it doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

This, except El probably isn't so much the Creator figure as it is a tyrant that rules over a specific area more-or-less unchallenged.

But we believe in Him and he's (mostly) cool and also an old testament style god whereas the Melachim are more crunchy granola about things and benevolent in general.

Also also, don't trust a single thing I say or suggest if you haven't been following along that closely.

:Edit: I'm not about to go digging around for it, but I definitely recall Amok having a "Who's On First" moment with Enkidel before realizing that our god calls itself god, with "El" merely being one of the many old-tongue words for "god." Also, when pressed, Ishamal paused temporarily before saying that he "believe[s] in.. El."

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TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Lol yeah don’t take anyone’s interpretation as canon because there’s only been a handful of things proven. 1) El is real. Not that he’s the original god of the world or anything. Just that He, as an entity, is real. 2) The melachim are real 3) The established religion lies about the afterlife and what happened before ‘The Fall’ and there’s a ton of stuff that existed prior to Ur and the current status quo 4) Other gods are real but not as powerful as El (except maybe Asherah/k but that’s not proven)

I’m sure there’s more but that’s like the big ones.

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