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Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

Diogines posted:

Is Ishamal having a joke at your expense? No normal man could ever use this as a weapon. Barkof's greatsword is longer but probably weighs half as this damb thing.

Well then, it's a good thing we decided not to use greatswords; that thing is ten times heavier than any real sword. What the hell do they make swords out of around here?

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Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
It has to be SerSpook then B. I really do not trust her, and even though Ishamal has possibly been hiding things he seems to have our best interests at heart. Winning a bow would be nice, but it isn't worth it to put up with her in order to earn it.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Is there a tradition of older boys squiring for Mighty Men? It would be less combative than what we did with Aaron, but he can take care of our gear for us; which would probably be a more dignified task than just caring for the mules.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
HJ and don't hang out with Azz. If Ishamel truly thinks this is important, we should go along with him and visiting Azz's sanctum will be a distraction. We can come back later if we have to.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
This is probably a stupid question, but are we sure this isn't Barkof and his men? That was my first reaction when Diogenes mentioned 8 foot figures.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
We know of copper and zinc, does that mean that we also know of brass?

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I haven't posted much and don't know how much this will count for, but I remain almost totally behind both Smattas and Tudiya as the representatives of order and justice in this dangerous land. Enkidel may not have been a perfect follower, but enough of his mind supports them that it isn't fair to dismiss him as having no use for them. Should we pray to El to save us from every issue that comes our way? Probably not, but to ask him for the strength to avoid breaking his strongest taboo should not be too much to request. In short, even if El and Smattas aren't very happy with us at the moment for breaking the fast; some genuine repentance combined with the desperation to not become a cannibal could very possibly get us some results.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I don't care about the first two choices, but the last should be LMM. Being around Indor is a horrible idea and will almost certainly get us punished by the authority figures that we should be as close to as possible.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I'm altering my vote to MMM. Teaching Danal some wilderness skills would be nice, but it's more important that we don't do Indor.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
1. A Also, bring the mighty club if we figure out how to use it.
2. M
3. U
4. W
5. Since I figure we'll have some downtime between expeditions, keep learning metal work with Adina. If we surpass him, we can move to one of the Mighty Men.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Also, bronze can just be poured into a cast to make perfectly serviceable products while iron has to be specifically worked. That and it takes a lot of work and practice to prevent your iron from turning out as either wrought iron, which is too soft to hold an edge and will bend if you hit anything, or cast iron, which is too brittle and breaks easily.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Is there enough work to do around the house that Naomi would be overwhelmed trying to keep up with it by herself? If so, we may want to hire/buy a maid or two to handle the cleaning or any other tasks that Naomi doesn't like.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
D, bring the Mighty Balls and anyone else whose family can live without them for a year or more
I, this is the last straw
N, give him a fair wage
V, although we should see if we can get Ishamel to make them moderately Mighty

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Is it considered to be shameful for a Mighty Man to have non-Mighty sons? Also, won't any children still have a good chance of becoming moderately Mighty due to having Tudiya as a maternal grandfather? We know from Aaron that the sons of his daughters can still be quite powerful even if the daughters themselves cannot be Mighty.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Assuming we do try to bring in a live minotaur, we should do a trial run to Zepath first. It will give us the chance to hammer out any problems with our initial plan and since Tudiya knows we are bringing it we can coordinate with him to keep the civilians out of the way in case it does break out.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Call the kid Israfel or Azrael just to freak out Ishamel.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I'd like to have a cool flying mount, but it simply is not feasible at this time. O

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Changing my vote from O to Q. Also, we should get the gems cut by a Mighty Jeweler (I assume there is at least one) before giving Paebal his share. He'd probably have to make due with a lesser cutter if we gave him the raw gems. After that, make one of the gems into a ring.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Make it clear to Rimmush that Tudiya succeeded in getting us and Jalitha out because he took a small party, grabbed us, and got away before the demons could muster major resistance; while an army would be seen coming long in advance and would face serious demons on the level of Eyescream. Since we won't actually specify what the minor resistance we faced was, he'll believe it to be Tudiya's claim of armies of cannibals and minor demons and should think that he would be up against far greater opposition than that. If he wants to mount a full scale invasion of Athar he should consult with Tudiya and Ishamel so they can coordinate their forces.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

UppaTree posted:

Yeah, I think Danal's shaming the mooks who do it the soft way (I.E: have daddy give you a shiny, meaningless thing to chuck on the altar when you're done camping). Those things have material worth, but they're not sacrifices, so they're useless as a measure of faith.

We sacrificed pearls, yeah, but those pearls could've made us rich, and we weren't exactly loaded at the time. Also, as everyone knows, pearls come from The Ocean of Certain Doom, where no sane man ever, EVER goes willingly. We personally learned why, too.

So yeah, we won our offering at great hardship, but it also happened to be shiny.

Shiny things aren't inherently bad either. One of the things we could have taken on our trial was a gold statue, with the idea being that if we can survive for a month while lugging around a heavy and useless object then we wouldn't have to look for a sacrifice.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
We should definitely offer to bring Bagar into our home for the time being, he's traumatized and we owe it to him to help him adjust. We can work on teaching him the native language and try to figure out something he can do for work later; he'd probably be able to find something involving the water to do.

For Ruth, also offer to take her in. She can't be feasibly raised without someone who speaks Athar on hand for a few years; and Naomi is the least busy amongst that limited populace. Like what happened to us, we can put off the question of adopting her for a few years.

In both cases, defer to Danal if he really wants to do something different with them; Tudiya will probably talk him out of it if he has something truly foolish in line.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Also, no matter where we decide to send Ruth, we should try and get Jalitha and Naomi involved in her upbringing as much as possible. They'd both like kids, would be good influences on her, and everyone who speaks Athar is a person who can keep her from getting too loney.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
No on box-quest. We need to stop associating with Indor as soon as we can; it's too dangerous and we don't really need her.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Are the walking dead from the Old Tales basically just zombies, or is it plausible for a demon to have possessed Shushem's body and use it in such a way that it would be virtually indistinguishable from being alive? Alternately, are there demons that can survive being decapitated; with the possibility of Shushem being one of them disguised as a human?

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
B, H, K, U. The smith's wealth will allow him to cover for the other old men as a final act of charity, taking the medicine is the option most likely to win with the least interaction with Indor, Bagam definitely seems to be doing better but it could just be having a quiet place and simple work to keep busy, and it seems like the most diplomatic way of convincing Danal that it isn't safe to bring Ruth and isn't practical to stay behind.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
We also know that Jalitha ages normally and appears to be human in all respects.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
We said we'd consider it but aren't ready for it yet.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

DCBomB posted:

Plus add our best insult in Atharan

Although we stopped speaking Atharan at 10. I don't how many good curses a 10 year old in a peaceful idyllic village would know; but I doubt it would be all that many.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

DCBomB posted:

We kept using it. We taught Danal and have been talking to Ruth and Bagar in it.

Yes, we taught them using the vocabulary we acquired when we were 10. We haven't had the opportunity to actually learn any new words since then.

Oh, and Don't start asking questions in the middle of a battle.

Iamyourking fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 24, 2014

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
We should consider sending David and his mother to Dor. It's the closest city, he'll be safe in case the norcs come back, his uncle will probably be happy to have him and more willing to contribute to any future efforts if we know we saved his family, and when he's old enough we can work with him to round up some younger Mighty Sons, adventuresome commoners, and any Ibleamites still living to rebuild the city.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
D, Gd, H, but send people to Zepath and Dor to tell them what happened and R once we think we have done as much as we can, V.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I concur.

We need to spend more time with Aaron, considering he's not much older than us and tends to give good advice. I have no doubt that Ishamel and Tudiya have our best interests at heart, but their advice tends to be influenced by whatever his master plan is and unwavering faith in El respectively (Which also applies to Zeb); and isn't always easy to accept. Not to mention the fact that they are so much older than us that they also have a totally different perspective on you.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

Bularin posted:

Wrong on both counts. The Romans used short swords for their line troops with spear units supporting the flanks. The lorica segmentata was banded plate that left the wearers arms, legs, neck, and face completely unprotected. And while Roman onagers are good engines, they lack the range, power, and fire rate of a counterweight trebuchet.

This army, composed of humans instead of orcs, would spank a Roman legion.

This is printing press era technology. A "modern era" army. 15th or 16th century. We are the Aztecs, they are the Spanish.

Don't accept any free blankets from them.

That said, they do have elements of the legions. The tight formations, strict discipline, and extensive use of javelins and tower shields, not to mention the fact that the minotaurs are kind of being used as an auxila, are much more Roman than Late Medieval. Also, Romans at their peak would be using Ballistae, not Onagers; the latter were a later invention as the decline of the empire made Ballistae harder to produce. Plus, give us a little credit; we're in the Bronze Age not the Stone Age and they haven't demonstrated the use of crossbows, gunpowder, or cavalry.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
Out of curiosity, are we able to use the super club yet? It was estimated that it probably weighs about 150 pounds, but since we have the strength of 30 men we should be able to use it with some difficulty.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

Outrail posted:

Flip the bird at the roof, walls and general surrounds. Don't explain why.

Don't do this. Does it even mean anything in Ur?

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
A now, possibly C on the way back depending on circumstances. Releasing a bunch of smoke into a tight space like this is something we should avoid unless we can guarantee we'll be able to get away. Don't forget what happened the last time we had to hold our breath for an extended period of time.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
I suppose it's too late now, but we should send someone to find Aaron and let him know we succeeded if we are going to be camped here for a day.

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal

Diogines posted:

He has two male descendants. Aaron and Danal. That is it, in all of his very long life.

What about Asahel? Or does Ishamel's baby-creating magic make him not Naomi's either? For that matter, is it unusual that he went about 80 years only having daughters (and granddaughters and great-granddaughters, etc) only to have Aaron and Danal within twenty years and Asahel within twenty years of them?

Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
The big thing with the metal is going to be getting as much support from the well-respected members of society as possible when we bring it up. Zeb and Ishamel are the big ones here, if they can confirm that it isn't demonic that will go a long way towards swaying Tudiya. Don't stop at them though; get as many smiths as we can behind us and bring both our Mighty Balls and any high status Common Balls. Aaron's a bit skeptical at the moment, but I think he'll be easier to convince than Tudiya; try our arguments out on him first. If we fail, then we know what we'll have to work on while if we succeed that's another big name in our corner. Tudiya may be deeply conservative and religious, but he's not cruel or stupid and I do think he can be convinced. It helps that we already know of iron's existence, so if we can show him that it's a natural material that we just don't know how to work rather than the product of some demon that's another step towards convincing him.

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Iamyourking
Oct 27, 2007

Only courage in the face of doubt can lead one to the answer.
Toilet Rascal
If it were Tudiya telling us to give it up I might be a little skeptical, but Zeb has always been supportive of our eccentricities. He doesn't care that we consort with Melachim worshippers or make use of Indor's trinkets, and the latter at least we know to be at least a little supernatural in a way that goes against the church. If he is telling us to give up the steel, then there must be some reason beyond blind dogma; even if it is just that if it got out it could cause a schism.

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