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Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Ah yes, hoping this gets moved back to GBS pretty quickly. No doubt a lot of people disagree, but I thought the chaos that came from so many random participants really made the last one.

Anyway, voting B, to my own surprise. Angelic beings are always so limited in actual christian mythology, and while I think we know the sort of thing to expect from angelic themes (although I could be wrong), I'm quite interested in what this 'interesting vantage point' will be on the human side. Human dealing with angels could be the best of both worlds.

Or we could spend the whole time sucking up and being dicked around. But then again, that sounds about right for angels under God too.

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Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Diogines posted:

Over the course of the game many people told me the same thing, which is why I really want our game on GBS.

Yup, kept me pretty entertained after I'd hurt my back and could barely move from a hunched-over position in front of the computer. Well done you.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Y Kant Ozma Post posted:

It's staying, so please feel free to continue the game here.

drat, for a while it seemed like GBS might be verging on being fun again.

Anyway, voting B. I'd be pleased with the fishing village too, but I pine for the freedom of nomadic wanderings.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

I'm surprised B is getting so few votes. Don't you people want to travel? See the world? Free to roam hither and yon, our only limit the horizon?

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

GoneWithTheTornado posted:

With D we'll probably travel a whole lot anyway, alone at our own pace, without worrying about, protecting and dealing with a metric fuckton of nomads.

But what about our faithful companions, the sheep or oxen or yaks or whatever? How are we going to ride the hills and valleys astride a mighty fish? What will be our new tortoise?

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

E: We're too big to cry, and we want to be grown-up, and adults handle their own problems, so we don't want to run off for someone else to help us. Of course, we respect our father, we don't want to attack him, but we do want to resolve the issue ourself, take it into our own hands, so we'll try to pull Jalitha away, demonstrate our position and prove our dedication more than yelling or crying would do.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Eh, I feel like that's likely to get found out; our father, if he believes us, will probably want to punish us, Jalitha will tell the truth, then we'll just get in more trouble for lying, and she won't be in any better position.

Maybe not though, maybe she'll be scared enough from the beating to let us take the rap.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Changing my vote from E to D I guess, they're more or less the same, and D seems to be getting more weight, so I'll help it out. I think it's distinctly worse, since it runs the risk of us just getting smacked, or Dad getting pissed for us laying hands on him and trying to force his actions, but ... meh.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

C: Straight forward, no chance of loving up, it'll get Jorah moving urgently back to where he needs to be, but not specify too much, so he arrives with an open mind. Saying 'Papa Hurt', or B, will probably make him think his brother has been hurt, or is in danger, either confusing him or pissing him off when he gets back and finds out his brother isn't hurt, or worse, may make him think Jalitha was trying to hurt his brother, delaying his intervention as he wonders if his brother has just gotten things under control.

Of course, I suppose Papa Help might suggest to him that we want him to help beat up Jalitha, but I doubt it.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

C: I think the options are pretty clearly between C/B or just freaking out and doing nothing. We're 4, freaked out, and the guy who's pretty much the big man in charge of our life has told us to do something. Gonna cut that hair like we've been told, because we don't know what the gently caress is going on, so we'd better do what the adults are saying, but we're too confused and shaken up to do any crying out or pleading of our own accord. Try to stay mute, cut the hair and hope everything works out.

Unless it's common practice here to call out to Fishgod for things, and we're familiar with doing such. Then B, I guess, as it would be common sense.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Mexican Deathgasm posted:

Negative voting for C, Dad is a woman-beating douche who's never shown his own son any affection, and Jalitha is a kind and caring mother figure.

I don't know that I see how this translates into us refusing to cut her hair, as a four year old, while everyone around including Jalitha seems to be demanding or expecting it of us.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

1:

A: Father: Don't need to like him, but he seems pretty fanatical, so I assume he's spent a lot of time drilling and training us on the rituals of God.
H: We've been deeply indoctrinated with reverence for the sea and its God, the ocean is our constant companion, in it we are whole.
B: We seem to like Jorah, and seeing as we're somewhat of a pariah, and our father is intimidating, we probably spend time with him as a social role model.
E: Jalitha is around Jorah most of the time, so I guess we must see her when we see Jorah.
F: The shore is pretty close to the sea, and helps when we need to be dry.
D: Mom; we'd probably spend more time around her than Jalitha, but again, Jorah.
C: Who the hell is this Pagem? Cool uncle, but not as cool as Jorah.
G: The forest is not as close to the sea as the shore is.



2:

A. Yes, to Ashera and to the other gods of your people, because you believe in them

Here's the thing, our people are strongly superstitious, our father is a fanatical high priest, he's been training us our whole life to be high-priest after him. We have no real frame of reference, other than Jalitha, by which to judge the truth of our beliefs, aside from the assurances of our father and our people. The world seems to work as they say. Also, there was that voice we heard in the ocean, our trusted ocean, our beloved ocean.

Edit: ^^^ Woah, that's some nice voting there. Didn't notice that. Thumbs up dude.

Edit2: Actually, changed H from third-to-last to second. We're a bit of a social outcast, and in keeping with the rest of my post, we probably take solace in the sea first, before looking to other people. Also changed F to fifth, after Jalitha, since we must be there pretty often, what with it being so close to the ocean and all.

Theglavwen fucked around with this message at May 24, 2013 around 00:44

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

JT Jag posted:

I think a lot of the rationale is less that we'd want to spend time with father and more that we'd be obligated to. Him being the #1 guy on someone's list means that we'd be going out of the way to spend time with him though.

How do you figure? The voting call specifically asked what amount of time we spent around what people, due to choosing or to being forced.

Setting aside whether or not a young child in a strict, superstitious and somewhat caste based society would be willing or able to "gently caress you Dad!" to his imperious father, high-priest of our known world, speaker for our society's God, and the major source of authority we've known all our life, because of that one time he beat that slave we liked, it's still perfectly reasonable, and certainly within his character, that he'd be mandating a lot of our time spent with him, grooming us to take his place, especially given how fanatical he seems.

Add to that the fact that we've grown up a bit of an outsider, likely accustomed to not expecting or seeking out social companionship, and it doesn't seem a stretch to assume that's who we'd have the majority of our social interactions with.

*Edit:

In other news, I have to say, Diogenes has certainly started himself out with some complex voting. I don't envy the task of tallying this one up.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.


Jesus ...

Although, that seems a little ... risky? I dunno, I mean, say the vote for first place ended up split between Jorah and Father or something, 51% to 49%. After that though, the loser, with 49% of the vote for first place, doesn't win in any of the other slots save for last place with, say, 15%. Would that mean then that, even though the loser had more votes for first than almost any other choice had for any other slot, it ends up in last place? Just seems like it wouldn't really reflect the general sentiment very well. *shrug*

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Can I encourage the 'gently caress you Dad' people not to disgard their disdain for the man who beats us and every weaker person who disagrees with him, but rather save that disdain, and use it as fuel for a later rebellion, at a point and age where it would make sense and be at all practical or plausible to efficiently stand our ground against him?

I mean, I'm sure there's a way him coming last in the votes would be written to make sense, but I'm also sure it would involve us essentially running away and hiding a whole hell of a lot. This isn't a rebellion now, we've been 4-10 years old, this is hiding under the bed. It also ensures that the people of the town will have even more disdain for us, since we, the defiled outcast, aren't even making an effort to fulfill our duty to our God and High Priest, appear to be flipping off Asherah, and aren't learning the rituals or anything, making us effectively useless except maybe for chopping wood.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Diogines posted:

That had me a little confused, yeah. He is a tool maker and hunter and is the silent type. He is one of the few people who in your life who is actually nice to you. Spending many long hours scraping stone tools and longer hours hunting, he is prone to silence. That disgusting topic mentioned above is not in the game.

I assumed, and hope, that that was intended as just being silly. Haha, silent guy who spends all his time alone in the forest, oooh, creepy dude, etc.

Then again, you never know around here anymore

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Disargeria posted:

We've been seen with her for like 10 years now.

Not yet. That is, after all, what this vote is about, remember?


Algid posted:

Did you already forget all the people who absolutely correctly kept on trying to kill Narod?

Joking aside though, why does it always seem to come down to either blindly trusting everyone on the most superficial account Diogenes gives us, or rabidly murdering everyone? Why is it somehow unfeasibly unreasonable that someone might wonder at whether or not this likely forced or abducted apparent slave might have had some ulterior motive in breaking an extremely obvious taboo and cutting the hair of the son of the high-priest of the people who enslaved her? We ought to just believe everyone is completely innocent because they fed us cake or acted nice that one time we were told about them? I mean, nobody's suggesting throwing her off a cliff or anything.

Pochoclo posted:

Do you guys seriously have to ask this poo poo? God forbid we make an offhand joke in a choose your own adventure thread in the something awful dot com forums.

Woah, keep in mind I said I assumed it was a joke. And hoped so. Otherwise it's people actually fingering people as child molesters for having traits that aren't perfectly socially encouraged. The boggling part is where it sometimes seems we might actually be at that point. That's really not a topic for the thread though, so that's certainly the last I'll say on it.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Out of the available options, I'd think B, for more insight into dad's character and the mysteries of God.

However, since I don't really have any particularly poignant questions, just general poo poo, I'll lump my vote in with:

E: Pagem.

Just because we haven't spent any time with him, and probably won't in the future, so now might be a pretty decent chance to get a mini run-down on his point of view, which is likely rather different than the rest of the ocean-oriented village.

Edit: D is also intriguing, as I want to believe something mysterious would happen. But I'm not willing to bet on it.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Diogines posted:


1. Do you want to ask him if he is your father?
2. Do you want to tell him about the voice you think you once heard?

1: No
2: Yup

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Yeah, Tell him when it was, and whether or not a storm followed. No reason to keep anything from him, he knows more than anyone about what things might mean, and I'm sure he's faithful to Asherah, so there's no reason not to be completely frank with him about things concerning it.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

GoneWithTheTornado posted:

. You know, we've already finished the story about the god of hedonism.

Denziroh's story is never over.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

XOXO posted:

Also voting to take our religious studies more seriously.

Yeah, I'll back this. Taking poo poo seriously +1.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Yes on reprioritizing. I figured it was more a 'vote' for reshaping our character to be a bit more dutiful, but yes, it makes sense that if we're that taken with what dad is saying, we'd be willing to spend most of the time he demands from us with him.

I figure, given the general theme of the world, there's a solid chance we're going end up in something like another 'Onegod' scenario, as El, the Nicegod, begins sweeping through the world, and we'll eventually have to choose between our God of hunger and fickle whims, and a God of Warmth and Protection and Love and Superdudes or something. Regardless of how we want to go, I think it'll be most interesting if we have as much information on the available parties as possible.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

FoxTerrier posted:

Hmm...just thinking out loud here: I didn't make the connection until now, but I wonder if it's a coincidence our name is Og, ala King Og?" He survived the flood of Noah's arc; I wonder if that's the storm that's coming.

Hm, clever. We certainly seem to be of the sort that might survive a flood, if anyone is.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Yeah, playing cautious for the time being and voting E: We should ask Father if we should fetch Jalitha to translate, but we don't even know yet if, perhaps, Father can translate just fine himself, and bringing in Jalitha could cause more problems than it solves.

Also, do we have any indication that we even could translate ourself? Did I miss the bit where Jalitha taught us her language?

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, doesn't really sound like we're fluent enough to do anything but make an rear end of ourself though. I suppose we might just be overcome with the chance to prove our worth, but I don't think we've gotten to impression that jumping up and brazenly bungling into things is the way to impress our Dad. Or the way to do anything but get smacked, really.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Yeah, not voting to abandon our village, our people, our family, particularly after we've just been impressed by Dad's lessons and the importance of learning Asherah's rituals, just because some new dudes have shown up and Jalitha's started freaking out and shouting gibberish. Do we know what 'Cannibals' means? Is it necessarily a problem if we do? Maybe it is part of Asherah's rituals, but we don't know, we don't know how. Sometimes everyone returns safe from the mystery rituals, so it doesn't seem like our village is secretly bringing up children as a succulent buffet, more, perhaps, that people who die in the ritual get eaten ritualistically, or something. We don't even go about eating people indiscriminately, as we know burial at sea is a big deal (don't we? I think that was in an update, but maybe that was just speculation).


Anyway, I see no reason why we'd just decide to gently caress everything we know and head off with Jalitha, just 'cause she says so. I don't really want to run away, as I want to see what Dad's got up his sleeve, but fighting doesn't seem like a super idea, especially not with our hands, and running off to get a spear still leads to us running off. I do think getting a spear and being willing to fight would raise our status amongst our people, and even if we lose, I don't think the invaders will try and kill us, a child whom Jalitha seems so fond of.

Still, the best plan might be B; we're certainly going to be overwhelmed as is if Dad doesn't have a solution in hand. Running off and getting the women and children to run won't accomplish anything in the long term, I don't think, and lumps us firmly in with the other kids running for safety. Going to get other men could help bolster our defenses, and demonstrates a proactive sensibility on our part. It may get more chaotic, but if things do devolve into a fight, at least we'll be better set up. Additionally, going to get the other men could include finding Jorah, who, if anyone will, seems best positioned to diffuse this situation; he surely has Jalitha's good will, can likely speak the language better than Dad or us, is level headed but still, I think, loyal to the village, and is big and strong.

So yeah, voting B: Find other dudes, and particularly Jorah.

Changed my vote to Not-A later on.

Theglavwen fucked around with this message at May 27, 2013 around 21:31

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Diogines posted:

Your entire frame of reference from the concept of eating people, comes from Jalitha. In the stories you grew up hearing from her, cannibals were a common theme. They exist at the edge of the world and try to eat women and little children and are usually stopped JUST in the nick of time by Sky Giants or men who are heroes or who become heroes.

Hm, I wonder then if Jalitha even has any real reason to suspect cannibalism as actually occuring. She might just be calling us cannibals, or assuming that we are, because we're 'barbarians that live at the edge of the world'. She might just be lumping us in with 'evil people whom the Sky Giants stop'.

I mean, maybe Jorah has told her about the secret male rituals during which corpses are devoured, but that seems a little far-fetched. If it's something that is pretty much never discussed or brought up at all in village life (I know we don't spend a lot of time around people, but I imagine we'd at least hear rumours, and even Jalitha has never mentioned anything to us in our time alone), then it must be a pretty big secret; why would Jorah just decide to start confiding in her?

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

PandaPropaganda posted:

A There is absolutely no way this situation is getting better at this point, pretty sure we're going with Jalitha and these folks whether we want to or not and at least the men of our village currently present are about to be killed.

This might very well be true, but that's exactly why we ought not to vote A. Going with A improves nothing, except maybe makes our kidnapping less violent, and, if Dad does end up fighting these guys off, makes us look weak in the eyes of our village.

Everybody was soooo hot on the fishing village in the original vote, are we really going to just up and abandon it now, before having gotten anything of promise out of it, or of this path? We might as well have just picked the city if that were to be the case. I really don't see a vote for A being terribly in character either; that may be beside the point, but we seem to be crafting a character that, after this, seems likely to abandon his captors and run off to go live among the trees like a monkey, for all the consistancy he's showing.

Blegh, changing my vote from B, which doesn't seem to be gaining much traction, to Not-A.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

drat, I knew those murderers were going to try and steal us away, right in front of our people, who the hell do they think they are? This King guy seems pretty potent though, don't know if it's power, or the armor he was wearing, but he certainly stood up to the lightning pretty well.

That being said, we have an obligation to our people now; another priest will be sent, Dad said, but until then we need to keep his poo poo safe. We've also been traumatized, we've just watched our father and the supreme voice of authority that we know cut down in front of us, we'd best run for the only other thing we know keeps us safe!

G: Grab the tooth and run for the ocean! Take solace in the waves, as we've done through our youth!

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Remember, we might have a bundle of beliefs, but we do believe in Asherah, and I think we'd probably believe that he's bound to be pretty pissed at what just happened, and those who killed his priest. Do we really want to run off with those same people, after having stolen our God's sacred symbol?

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Callipygian Weasel posted:

Also this, geez. There is no rational way to write the outsiders as the assholes in this situation.

Say you were with a group, modern day, of anthropologists, who stumbled upon a primitive tribe in the Amazon or something. They're obviously hostile, and don't want you there. You hang around, keep on trying to pressure them into trading and talk to them with a big, doofy, North American smile on your face. THEN you try and grab, kidnap, one of their kids, and take him with you, right in front of a bunch of their hostile men, who are pointing spears at you. Did you act properly, or were you a ridiculous rear end in a top hat who would be lambasted in the media and academia back home, once your corpse was discovered?

Granted, in this situation, you had another North American woman run up to you and start shouting to be saved, saying that they had kidnapped her, and that the kid was her son. But even granted that you'd be right in trying to save her, trying to snatch someone who was still a child of, and member of, this primitive tribe would be an rear end in a top hat, unethical move that would be guaranteed to end badly.

The invaders were probably justified in cutting off Dad's head, but only because it was literally kill or be killed at that point (and those of you who say he failed to kill anybody, he dropped the other guys instantly with lightning, it was only the guy with the sword who 'cried out in pain but didn't fall').

Now, let's step back a second. Yeah, the invaders were stupid, arrogant, and antagonizing. However, you're right, there's probably not a real rational way to make them out to be the assholes, they obviously had good intentions, and our Dad acted bitterly, hostilely and aggressively. That being said, we shouldn't be interested in what the objective, rational assessment of the situation is. We should be interested in what an eleven year old kid will think of the people he just saw murder his Dad on the word of a raving woman who was often fairly kind to him, but otherwise pretty unimportant. What would this kid think of the people who not only tried to 'poison' and murder his father, but who poisoned and murdered the High Priest of Asherah, the symbol of authority and faith in his eyes, to whom he had only recently redoubled his efforts to take seriously. How will this kid feel about the people who, in his eyes, have almost certainly angered God, the creator of the world, the all hungering judge and ultimate power?

I don't think he'll feel good about them.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

^^^ (SerSpook)

Yeah, but presumably we want to define the character in keeping with how it's developed so far. Seems strange to me if you aren't taking previous decisions, characteristics and reasonable/available in-character world-view into account when you go on to consider what this character would do in a new situation. Yeah, Jalitha was likely the most motherly figure in our life, but that still wasn't a very strong one. Even when we were voting for priorities, she typically came in around the Pagem/Mother category, after spending time with Dad, Jorah, and alone, and even then only typically because people figured spending time with Jorah meant spending time with Jalitha. And while it's certainly true that a big part of us taking our lessons seriously stemmed from a sense of duty, that doesn't really change anything I said; what's happened to that sense of duty? Dad died so we've just given it up then?

If the guys who dropped instantly are still alive, then yeah, my bad, I thought they were dead. Although I suppose people do live through lightning strikes relatively frequently.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

SerSpook posted:

Jalitha was actually right up there with Father. I want to say it went Jorah-Ocean-Father-Jalitha.

And right now we don't have much of a defined character. That is what these decisions are essentially doing. All we know is we are eleven, we like Jalitha, we have a feeling of duty to our people, and we like Jorah/the Ocean. We also gave Jalitha a bunch of pearls over the years, so I'd say it is clear we liked her more but our sense of duty prevented us from spending as much time with her.

It isn't inconceivable that certain revelations to us spurred us towards going with them too. For instance, we are almost certainly a tribe that practices ritualistic cannibalism. Someone (Coconut Tree?) pointed out a bunch of stuff suggesting that earlier in the narrative, involving Asherah's myths and the biannual events when boys become men. Another thing to keep in mind is that Asherah's holy symbol is a wide open fish-mouth, preparing to devour.

In addition, the foreigners kidnapping us are under the impression we are also being kept prisoner and are Jalitha's son. And to be honest, the last part might be entirely true. We have no siblings, which seems strange, particularly considering the importance of father's line as priest of Asherah. That suggests our mother is barren, and he considered Jalitha washing ashore to be a gift from Asherah to correct the lack of an heir.

eta: And I think this really bears mentioning. This is definitely out of character knowledge, and I guess feel free to disregard it. We know how the world was made, and it isn't how it happened in Asherah's myths. We see the world being made in the OP. We also know this was going to be the angelgame, and it's based on Dante/Milton. Asherah, IMO, is a straight-up demon and sticking around to worship him will not end well for us. That's also why I think we need to abandon that tooth, like right now.

Hm, you're right, Jalitha had a higher vote percentage than I thought, from the last graph posted she's nearly a full digit over 'Mom'. However, as I said, I expect a lot of that came from the fact that she essentially piggy-backed on the number one spot, Jorah. I know I voted Jalitha as fairly high, third or fourth, based on the fact that we couldn't very reasonably spend a majority of time with Jorah without seeing her, and although I'm not going to go back and survey all the votes, I'm of the impression that a lot of other people did as well.

We don't have a terribly well defined character, I'll give you that, but I think we have more than enough to be able to determine how we'd realistically feel about a bunch of strangers who just murdered the people we've grown up with, and defied/defiled our God, in whom we most certainly believe, and the symbols of his authority. To assume that there's a completely blank slate there is, I think, to be pretty dismissive of a child's formative years. We do have a character, it's a young kid, who has just been asked to renounce everything he's ever known. He's grown up in this culture, it would be what's 'right'. And even if we did just have the 'revelation' of cannibalism, which I think is a doubtful proposition to begin with (the idea that we'd just instantly comprehend and believe the magnitude of that statement based on Jalitha frantically shouting it out a couple times, not the cannibalism itself), there's no real reason why we'd instantly decide it was bad. In fact, we've been brought up with the idea of a hungering god who eats everything; life devouring life is just a fact of nature here.

I think it's a pretty big stretch to say that the foreigners would be under the impression that we were a kidnapped prisoner either. Back to the anthropological anecdote: when the North American woman comes running up to us, and points to an eleven year old boy, standing freely with the leader of the tribe, with whom he's just casually walked up, dressed and behaving in the manner of the tribe and appearing perfectly comfortable with them, whether or not we believe that the woman gave birth to the kid, he's still clearly a child of the tribe, who's grown up among them, and is culturally one of them. Trying to yank him away from his people, right in front of them, would still be a monumentally stupid and dickish thing to do.

And yeah, I'm right with you on the OOC stuff; we know that this is supposed to be a Dante-esque game, and that, given that, Asherah is probably not the be-all and end-all, but that's absolutely the sort of meta-gaming I think ought to be avoided. Personal preference I suppose, but if the character doesn't have the available knowledge, then I don't think it should factor in to voting based on character impressions. And hey, we know it's a Dante-based game, but maybe Diogenes has a pretty fluid idea of how it will actually play out. Maybe in this world, the 'Barbarian' cult of Asherah rises up to overthrow the 'Romans', as it were.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

SerSpook posted:

The child of the tribe also stepped toward them after a hand was offered. This isn't really kidnapping in there mind, it's rescuing a woman and her child.

Eh, I suppose there's a grey area on what they may have seen, but I don't think a kid taking a step forward, holding out his hands to both groups and making placating verbal noises should appear to anyone as a definitive 'Grab him away from his people who are right beside him' sort of gesture.

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We can agree to disagree on using all knowledge available to us, I'm just pushing for what seems likely to be the best outcome or the most interesting story. In this case the two coincide in my mind. I'd also point out that the most out of character votes by far are the vengeance/stabbing votes. We come from a place that doesn't even know violence. We were not raised to fight. We felt a sense of duty to our father, but no particular love.

Looking at it purely in terms of what will work, I don't think it is possible to not end up going with the foreigners either way. They are within easy grabbing distance, there are 9 of them in good condition, Jalitha is right beside us.

And if we want an in character justification to go, the ground is shaking and our dad just did some super scary poo poo. Yeah, we might lose everything we know, but leaving with them right now so they can fight off the monsters of the forest and we can quietly slip away when the crazy poo poo stops seems completely in character.

I'm mostly with you here, to be honest. The vengeance thing would be pretty out of line, I agree, although I can understand the sentiment that we might freak out and lash out from fear or anger. The reason I don't think going with the newcomers makes any sense though is that they've insulted and defiled, aside from our father (who we can argue is balanced out by the favour they show to Jalitha, maybe), the only other two things we would hold in esteem: the village/people we've grown up with, and, more importantly, Asherah, whom we believe to be all powerful and probably angry at the invaders. I think it makes a lot more sense to be running from the hostile invaders, towards the things that have always provided safety and comfort: the ocean, primarily, and to a lesser extent our people, namely Jorah. The sea has been our companion growing up, I don't think we'd be more afraid of it than of these murderous strangers right now.

Maybe, yeah, we recognize the sea as also being dangerous, and want to just get anywhere right now, and as a result just want to flee with the best armed and most capable looking people around at the moment. I don't personally think, though, that we'd see the dudes that just murdered our people as being less dangerous than the threat that we are already familiar with; Devil we know, and all that.

Plus I fear that going with them will essentially be a 'Time-jump, it's been four years, you live in Baitel with Jalitha, aren't you glad you didn't pick that option originally?' sort of situation, but that's neither here nor there, really.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

SerSpook posted:

We'd not actually be going to Baitel for what it's worth. This is a different city, Zetash or whatever it is. And the dude that tanked dad's magic seems quite possibly to be there king, and a hero-king type dude at that. He had armor, Jalitha said that the king specifically saved us and the battlecry was both El and King. Also a sword.

I honestly think the city we are going to IS part of our start and not a reset. I don't think we have that much choice in the matter here, and what choice we did have involved finding some way to stop Jalitha from doing what she did. At that point we can only react.

Like, these guys were going to come no matter what. If Jalitha were alive, she'd have done roughly what she's doing no matter what. This is a continuation of what we've been doing these last few votes, only with more chance for death or being corrupted by a demon.

Could be, could be. In that event though, I'm still going with the vote that has the possibility to provide more interesting or chaotic events along the way; if we're going with them regardless, why go for the vote that just does what we're already going to do no matter what? Stir things up I say! See as much as we can before we're whisked away!

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

A_Bug_That_Thinks posted:

I was Literally Dumbstruck that people are voting to go peacefully with the aliens who just straight up murdered our father, who we Love. They're probably going to slaughter our entire village, literally our Entire World, on a LIE, told by a twist asking us to go with her.

You and me both, man.

Have to say though, majority certainly seems to have spoken. Even if we take all the non-A and non-H votes together, we still don't appear to have more votes than H got (discounting F, of course). I suppose what really surprises me, though, is why so many people voted fishing village at the start if they all apparently wanted to abandon it at the first conceivable opportunity

I wanted nomads anyway

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

I just want to point out, too, that if, as a young child, I'd seen my father shoot lightning from his hands and take spears harmlessly in the chest without even batting an eye, I would have thought my dad was Superman spliced with Raiden and probably the Coolest Man of All Time.

Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Tudhalias posted:

Dad was an assole.

Not really sure why it matters either. I'm sure a lot of people, probably even here, have had dads who would fit into the 'rear end in a top hat' category, maybe even dads who, looking back, were legitimately bad guys. Yet I also doubt many of those people, faced with a mob of men who just broke into their house and shot their 'rear end in a top hat' dad in the face, would be ready to go running off with said murdering mob, regardless of whether or not their affectionate nanny was currently suggesting that they do so.

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Theglavwen
Jun 10, 2006

Frankly, I don't know anyone who likes Chinese bronzes, but I have one of the finest collections in the country.

Lanky Coconut Tree posted:

Hey man you seem to have a huge hardon for Jalitha and our Dad so I'd like it if you could just go back over Diog's posts and please point out all the proof that Jalitha is a massively scheming bitch tia

Sorry, no? I don't think Jalitha is a massively scheming bitch, for one? Not really sure where you're coming from.

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Disargeria posted:

Yep they sure broke into our house what with all of their hands open and introductions and offering beer and stuff

Eh, they showed up in our village, refused to leave when told to, offered what we think was 'poison' then tried to kidnap us/a little kid. Close enough from our perspective, I'd say.

Ego Trip posted:

If my dad started firing crazy fish lasers at the mob, I'd consider it.

Really? That'd just endear me more to him

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