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Doctor Syrup
Apr 7, 2009



I know he was in the show here and there a little bit earlier, but I think Hatred is pure gold from the moment he shows up in Home is Where the Hate Is.

We're going full nerf on this one!

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

mater dolorosa

OGS-Remix posted:

All the screentime he got in the last season really added to his character. If you only watch the older seasons he's a joke, but I think he's a slightly better person now.

That's most of the characters and part of why I love this show. Like Rusty is legit an amazing character. Most of the main crew are. They have really grown and matured as people, by and large, while still remaining true to themselves. For a comedy show that is, apparently, written on the fly, VB has better character development and continuity than many shows which are actually plotted out in advance or which sell themselves as deep and involved serials.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


Fun Shoe

Doctor Syrup posted:

I know he was in the show here and there a little bit earlier, but I think Hatred is pure gold from the moment he shows up in Home is Where the Hate Is.

We're going full nerf on this one!

I wonder if Hammer and Jackson regret bringing him into the show using a throw-away joke about him being a child molester?

I mean, those early jokes could have mentioned some other random, made-up villain who we never see, or at least who never becomes part of the main crew. They've clearly tried to ret-con it as best they can and make him as sympathetic as possible, but let's face it: it's troublesome, as child molestation is, for some people, one of those things that you just can't ever joke about ever ever ever.

Oh well. Too late to do anything (else) about it now. But his name, look, mannerisms... he's just such a perfect character for the show, and I think he'd be just as good without that particular bit of backstory regarding his pedestrian past.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Floss Finder

actually having molested the boys before is pretty hosed up and they really didn't need to do that part even if he was a child molester

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

I really wanted to believe Harry and Sgt Hated were on a better path and it's been disappointing how they've fallen- Gary back into henching and Hatred into a terrible, dangerous job for nobody's appreciation.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

mater dolorosa

Pope Guilty posted:

I really wanted to believe Harry and Sgt Hated were on a better path and it's been disappointing how they've fallen- Gary back into henching and Hatred into a terrible, dangerous job for nobody's appreciation.

Gary's not a hench anymore, not really. He's pretty much a Number 2 to the Monarch and Dr. My Wife when they were still arching, or the Number 2 to the Blue Morpho. And I think Brock has come to appreciate Hatred in his own way, and even if he doesn't, Hatred seems to have more self-respect and self-awareness now than a season or two ago. He's doing what he wants to do, not what he's told to do.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


21 went back to the only person who appreciated him after Sphinx rehabilitated him and left him high and dry when they all went back to the OSI. Hatred was loyal as hell to the job the OSI gave him, but when it turned out that position was actually important again, they dropped him like a bad habit. All he had left was hanging around Dr. Venture.

Basically it's Hunter Gathers's fault both of them had to fall back from what progress they were making. At least Hatred has the venture brothers caring about him.

Hell, we barely even saw the OSI and didn't see any of the top crew of the OSI outside of Brock last season. No Shore Leave, Amber Gold, John Hodgman, or that guy with a gun. No Alchemist, Jefferson Twilight, or Orpheus either. The show started going in a new direction with a bunch of new one-off characters with no time for its old subplots.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Dermott.

Billzasilver
Nov 8, 2016

I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?


Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few



Dermott got a whole holiday special episode already

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


Fun Shoe

Pope Guilty posted:

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Dermott.

I liked him. I mean, I liked his presence on the show. He's there to show that Hank and Dean (but mainly Hank) are breaking out of their insular world, one that Rusty was never able to break out from even that much. And the story of his conception is very Venture: Doc sleeps with a girl who he doesn't know is underage because he's so pathetic that he would never question any female who is interested in him, and of course she gets pregnant.

I also liked where they were going with his character. When he suddenly started to understand HELPeR, I was so happy. It's a shame they had to drop him from the regular lineup.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

You don't want my life. What do I have to show for it? Chozo DNA in my body, Metroid Prime blood on my hands, and a foot locker full of Ridleys.


Man I you guys reminded how bummed out I was there was no Dr. Oprehus in last season. You would think Rusty would give him a room or something but nope.

But then again, it's Rusty.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


Dermott was really coming into his own before they left him behind.

And you know what? If Dermott was around it would perfectly gently caress up Hank's attempt at dating the daughter of a mob boss.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Dermott would most definitely try to convince Hank that he isn't good enough to date a mob boss' daughter, because Dermott isn't good enough and doesn't want Hank to be good enough either.

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!


I'm hoping that now that Ventures In New York has been established, they start trickling in the old supporting cast bit by bit. We don't need the entire OSI or anything like that, but at least Dermott and Orpheus would be great.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Dermott was really coming into his own before they left him behind.

And you know what? If Dermott was around it would perfectly gently caress up Hank's attempt at dating the daughter of a mob boss.

I like it this way, because it's what happened to my own personal Dermott. He just kinda... faded away.

Last time I talked to him he was a janitor in a porn store and still pining after a girl from high school. So that's what I'm imagining Dermott is up to these days.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Dermott would absolutely be wanting to get in on his dad being rich as hell now. (especially before Rusty seemingly inevitably squanders it)

Speaking of, wasn't there a running side plot this season of Doc trying to come up with an invention to impress some tech conference?

And Hatred seems to be in a role that suits him perfectly now, being Doc's head of security and basically day-to-day right hand man; Brock Samson is his bodyguard and responsible for his and his family's direct personal safety (when he's not busy gettin pegged) but Hatred's responsible for the overall security of his company. (and suffers for it) Kind of a theme with the latest season is the cast adjusting to a new status quo and new opportunities, with both successes and failures; Hank gets a girlfriend who lives in the same world he does, Dean gets a bit of a taste of normalcy, Doc fails miserably at attempts to ingratiate himself with the NYC elite but turns out to be a pretty good host to the superhero/villain crowd he's grown up around. (the Guild and Monarch subplots being another story)

AkumaHokoru
Jul 20, 2007



with all these new posts in the thread I feel like I missed something? was there something?

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...


AkumaHokoru posted:

with all these new posts in the thread I feel like I missed something? was there something?

much like venture brothers, it was all ultimately just meaningless bullshit that we all cared about more than we wanted to admit

Cojawfee posted:

Dermott would most definitely try to convince Hank that he isn't good enough to date a mob boss' daughter, because Dermott isn't good enough and doesn't want Hank to be good enough either.

Dermott would never sabotage his friend, especially when his friend succeeding means he totally is gonna get MADE, bro!

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

I think it's safe to say that Dermott's advice would mostly be hilariously terrible either way.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001



feedmyleg posted:


I hate it when a final episode of a show feels like they're closing off the universe or bringing and end to the conflicts in a way that would never happen in life.

I don't mind if it makes sense like when 30 Rock ended. TGS was canceled and everyone had to leave. The characters that didn't work for the show moved on because of the events that triggered the show's cancelation.

But then you get Downton Abbey resolving like half of the storylines on the same day. Those episodes were always tricky to read on a sense of how much time passed over an episode, but at least seven stories wrapped up day of or during the wedding. Violet was the only person who did not have something, but the only place for her to go was "dies."

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009


Ghost Leviathan posted:

I think it's safe to say that Dermott's advice would mostly be hilariously terrible either way.

He'd tell them to back some sort of obscure crypto currency.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...


SeanBeansShako posted:

He'd tell them to back some sort of obscure crypto currency.

"C'mon, we just need to install this mining software on dad's - I mean, your dad's super computer, and we'll be, like, rich overnight!"

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009


"Our password has to super slick hard to guess so go with 123GOD or something...."

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

RandallODim posted:

much like venture brothers, it was all ultimately just meaningless bullshit that we all cared about more than we wanted to admit

"It was all sound and fury, signifying nothing."
/

feedmyleg fucked around with this message at Apr 10, 2018 around 15:10

Crazy Ferret
May 11, 2007

Welp


They could of ended the show on A Party for Tarzan and I would have been content. Everyone is off having their own adventures or is as "content" as this show's universe allows people to be. The Monarch is still scheming and the Guild screwing things up as they do. Venture gets shot and no one cares cause everyone was waiting around for Christopher Lambert for some reason, and they even managed to screw that up. I still love that bullet flying through the air sequence but I am sucker for that stuff. I think its one of the best episodes of the later Venture Brothers.

Honestly, this show has some of the best "finales" around. Showdown at Cremation Creak and Operation P.R.O.M are fantastic and would of been great endings. Season 5's ending with the Monarch's torture of Doc Venture being pointless as well as central to both their character's needs was also a great note.

I don't even know what a ending to show could look like anymore. I can't really care about wrapping up the shows mysteries cause the journey is usually funnier than the answer, IE the Orb! Also, I don't think the characters are really capable of settling down given their history of screwing things up. Who knows, maybe Escape to the House of Mummies Part 3 is the way to go out on an adventure.

Crazy Ferret fucked around with this message at Apr 10, 2018 around 15:21

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001



Return to the House of Mummies II Part 6

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


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Sash! posted:

Return to the House of Mummies II Part 6

I'd like to see them do Return to the House of Mummies, Part I. Go back to the 4:3 aspect ratio, use period-correct costumes, and even have the Ventures from the current year (2018 or 2019) show up, thanks to the time machine. Except, maybe instead of using this upcoming season's standard speedsuits, they use some kind of stupid future speedsuit that Doc and Jackson might have guessed they'd be wearing in the far-off future world of two thousand eighteen.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...


tarlibone posted:

I'd like to see them do Return to the House of Mummies, Part I. Go back to the 4:3 aspect ratio, use period-correct costumes, and even have the Ventures from the current year (2018 or 2019) show up, thanks to the time machine. Except, maybe instead of using this upcoming season's standard speedsuits, they use some kind of stupid future speedsuit that Doc and Jackson might have guessed they'd be wearing in the far-off future world of two thousand eighteen.

What a world that this show has run long enough for someone to come up with a return to Return to the House of Mummies that I actually think could be good.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


We already know what happens in Return to the House of Mummies part 3. There was that preview.

They should jump straight into part 4, maybe 5.

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


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SlothfulCobra posted:

We already know what happens in Return to the House of Mummies part 3. There was that preview.

They should jump straight into part 4, maybe 5.

Crap, you're right.

Well, remember, time machines are in play here. Everything I described could be in "Escape to the House of Mummies, Part I."

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Jan 1, 1970

I WILL MEDITATE AND THEN DESTROY YOU


Floss Finder

yeah maybe, in their own way, they're all escape to the house of mummies part 1

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

Man-oh-man, Cowboy looks like a bag of leftovers from a V.F.W. barbecue. Of
course, I've got nothing against dead people. Why, some of my best friends are dead

Oh god the pilot has not aged well.

Eela6
May 25, 2007


Shredded Hen

UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

Oh god the pilot has not aged well.

It has not. Ghosts of the Sargassum is just as great as ever, though.

RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...


You know who should come back

Brisby

Consummate Professional
Sep 1, 2006

did you know that even with seat belts
pople die all the time in car crashes? i
thought that was interesting


Wasn't the pilot done in flash?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold




RandallODim posted:

You know who should come back

Brisby

MANDALAY I'VE COME AFLAME AGAIN

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


Am I a... bad person?
AM I??


Fun Shoe

Consummate Professional posted:

Wasn't the pilot done in flash?

Yes.

And thankfully, Venture Bros.'s flash wasn't... in the pan.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

~death to capitalism~
Upgrade your OS
Homestuck Rules



Salad Prong

I just want people to remember that the initial script of the pilot was done in mid-2000 (and it was past 9/11 when it was getting prepped to be animated, which was in Flash but most importantly Flash done on a very low budget).

tarlibone
Aug 1, 2014


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AM I??


Fun Shoe

I always hoped Dean would finally crack, take his dad's long-forgotten "Ooooo Ray," and melt Monarch's cocoon with it. You know, while it was still occupied. Then he'd casually wheel the device away as survivors scramble out of the melting airship/hideout.

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Consummate Professional
Sep 1, 2006

did you know that even with seat belts
pople die all the time in car crashes? i
thought that was interesting


My girlfriend believes that every shows pilot must be watched and I...do not. Venture bros pilot has been a bit of sticking point with her because I keep telling her it's not really worth anyone's time and she's convinced it'll give her some insight in to the show

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