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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Sash! posted:

Alamo drafthouse is big on this sort of thing. Weird that the one in DC isn't.

Is it wrong that I kind of want to move to Austin just to go to the Drafthouse? Seriously, it sounds like the greatest loving theater on earth.

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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I love Patrick Warburton's voice so much that I thought it might be worth watching that live action show he was in with David Spade. Turned out it was less Emperor's New Groove and more worst show ever.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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RandallODim posted:

Mother helped build the wall! Tear down the wall!



Is there anyone better at .gifs than me that could turn this into an avatar? The closest I got was, like, 500kb.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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YES! Thank you. Now I just need a custom text. I think the mother quote might fit, but I'm open to suggestions.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Thanks for the suggestions everyone, but I was listening to Yeezus on the way home and realized that I had the perfect quote already.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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The Depeche Mode guy that the Monarch's referring to is Pete White, right?

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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bobkatt013 posted:

No he was with a woman, which is incredible since he is in Depeche Mode.

Oh yeah, forgot that part. I wonder if the plan was to have the guy from Depeche Mode be a Sovereign lackey before they abandoned that joke?

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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I somehow avoided spoilers and am really glad I did.

Rewatching a certain first season episode right now and hooooooly poo poo for a show that claims that they don’t plan things in advance they‘re either full of poo poo or do a great job with retconning.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Wait, am I reading that timecode correctly? Are they getting a roughly hour and a half long finale?

[Edit: holy poo poo, yeah. It’s HH:MM:SS:FF. Hoooooly shiiit]

asecondduck fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2018 around 11:15

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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The book is amazing, essentially an aural history of the entire show to this point. There wasn’t anything especially shocking or new to me, but learning the origin of a few of the background characters was neat. Really it’s just nice to have all that info in one book.

I actually laughed when they talk about the second season finale and how adamant they are that they didn’t have a plan for Dr. Girlfriend’s “Monarch, I’m…” line, and then on the next page pretty much the first thing Doc says is “Jackson wanted her to be pregnant!”. Glad they didn’t go that direction.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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bull3964 posted:

I could see him taking over Ventech, pushing Rusty out which scales back his lavish lifestyle.

They wanted Rusty to, in their words, “win the lottery” and Jr dying was the most obvious way of doing it. Having Sr. come back and take over Venture Industries would defeat the whole point.

I don’t think we’re gonna see much of Sr. in the present after this episode. It was pretty much them deciding to answer one of the biggest questions fans had, and in a particularity clever, unpredicted way too boot.

asecondduck fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2018 around 15:29

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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RoboChrist 9000 posted:

As much as they make up stuff as they go along, Jonas is such an important part of the backstory - both to our main cast and the universe at large - that I'd be shocked if they didn't have some inkling of what his fate was - even if they never planned to reveal it - when they started the show, and even more so if they never bounced around some ideas between themselves as the series went along. Like, granted, I'm not saying that I think they had this particular reveal/answer planned out, but I'd be really surprised to learn they never had a working canon explanation for what happened to him in their minds at any point during the prior seasons.

From reading the book I got the impression that they spend a LOT of time shooting the poo poo and coming up with ideas. Some of the ideas make it into the show, most don’t. They don’t set up a season plan, they write an episode each (usually in the middle) based around a couple things they had scribbled down either recently or years ago and work backward from there.

So I agree that they probably did have “Jonas is in the PROBLEM box” sticky note somewhere, but it was probably one of a million ideas. Maybe some of the first season “hints” (Bisbee being under he impression that Jonas had discovered the secret of immortality, Jonas’ statue pointing up at the sky) were put in as intentional hints, maybe they looked at those and saw retcon possibilities, maybe the fandom is seeing foreshadowing when it wasn’t intentional.

For what it’s worth, they almost certainly have “the Monarch, Rusty, Jonas Jr, 2421, and Billy are all failed Jonas clones” written down somewhere too but that’s not gonna happen because it’s probably the most popular theory out there and they state in the book they rewrite plot points if someone guesses them.

asecondduck fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2018 around 16:14

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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PostNouveau posted:

Never heard that one before. Why 24 and Billy?

Billy being related/a clone of Rusty or Jonas works with his character, he's been obsessive over Rusty and Jonas his entire life and revealing that he COULD have been Rusty if he hadn't developed Hydrocephalus would totally crush him. 24 would be a clone too because, gently caress it, let's make every redhead between the ages of 25-40 a clone and also he wouldn't give a poo poo about it, unlike the others.

Also it could be argued that all of them represent different parts of Jonas' personality.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Really 24 being a Jonas/Rusty relative is just a joke (that I could see them making, to be honest) but Rusty, Billy, Jr, and the Monarch, when put together, absolutely combine back into an amalgamation of Jonas.

Rusty's got the obsession and mind for super-science but no drive, Jr's got the drive but none of the imagination (he made consumer goods and a slightly better version of Jonas' greatest achievement, and needed Rusty to make even that work), Billy got his intelligence (neither Rusty or Jr are particularly smart, just good at science) and the Monarch has Jonas' eviler aspects (cutthroat and hellbent on getting his way and doesn't care how many corpses he leaves in his wake).

But this is all so on the nose and obvious that even if they were considering it at one point they certainly aren't now, and things like establishing that the cloning machines were Jonas' and placing both the Monarch and Billy's mothers in Jonas' swinging circle are really just red herrings at this point. Probably.

I think the real thing to look for this season (and the big plot reveal, besides Jonas' fate) is what happened to Morpho. Are they still alive and, if so, where/who are they?

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Cojawfee posted:

I don't think JJ particularly needed Rusty to build the shield. He just wanted to make Rusty feel included.

I dunno, given what happened to make the shield I feel like JJ knew the risks involved and wouldn't have ethically been able to do it himself. But then again Rusty did rush it, so maybe a capable (well, less procrastinating) scientist would have been able to throw together the shield in a way that didn't mutate all the people working on it. Huh.

The failed clone theory still works because Jonas probably didn't realize that Rusty absorbed JJ, so he had a successful (albeit dwarf) clone of himself all along. Probably good he didn't, as he likely would have sacrificed Rusty to get to JJ.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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prefect posted:

But 24 looked like Jerry Seinfeld with a unibrow. Not even close to redheaded.



Goddamn it, fourteen years on and I still can't get their numbers right. I meant 21.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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prefect posted:

Also not red-haired:



Although Dean's hair has always looked pretty brown instead of red. And Orpheus said he had rust-colored hair.

Huh.



Yeah, you're right, when put right up against an actual red-headed character his hair is a absolutely brown. Dean's hair is pretty much the same color too, but I've never actually thought what Dean's hair color was, just assumed it was red:



But I guess both 21 and Dean are brown-haired. Odd.

[Edit: Looking at those two photos now, though, I've just noticed that Hank, Dean, and 21 all have the more or less the same nose. Not theorycrafting or anything, but I've never noticed that.]

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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ANYWAY theorycrafting with Venture Bros. is completely pointless because they don't even know what they're gonna do until they do it and if you post your theory online and you're right they'll just change it anyway.

And even making predictions when episodes are in the can is silly because they're way, way, better at this poo poo than anyone else is. Seriously. Jonas was in the loving PROBLEM machine. You can't beat that.

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

The most on-brand thing Rusty could do at this point is turn Jonas into a Walking Eye.

Put Jonas in H.E.L.P.E.R.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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tarlibone posted:

Also, is it me, or is Gary creeping on Dr. Mrs. the Monarch just a bit?

I hope this is a joke about the thread being obtuse about Rocco.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Hot drat that was an episode. Monarch confirmed as Rusty’s half brother, the (mostly) complete explanation of what happened to Jonas, and the return of “SUPER run away!”

What else is left to reveal/explain at this point? They’ve knocked out the big questions, all that really remains now is who the boys mother is.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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WrathOfBlade posted:

Don't forget, we still don't know who did Movie Night.

Also holy poo poo Jonas is the worst

Well we’ve known the second spoiler for the entire show.

As for the first spoiler I’ve been joking for the past few weeks that Rusty did it but there’s a pretty good chance now that it was Malcolm

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Not that they can't just retcon it anyway, but I don't think this jibes with the events of Past Tense and Shadowman 9. Rusty and Malcolm were in college at the same time, and that was when Jonas died.

Oh right, duh. Then I’ve got nothing, but knowing the show it’ll be something expertly retconned and brilliant.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Just checked Google Play and I see both episode 1 and 2 there? Episode 3 wouldn’t be up yet because it hasn’t actually aired.

asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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Malcolm XML posted:

Probably Billy too, honestly

Almost certainly, what with Rose being part of the gang and all.

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asecondduck
Feb 18, 2011

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multijoe posted:


Also '... and I kicked Jonas Venture's rear end too!' is a peak monarch line, this episode was incredibly funny for also being a continuity porn/lore dump episode too


I laughed for a good minute after that, it was indeed peak Monarch and such the perfect way to end an episode. In a show full of perfect lines before the smash cut to credits, it has to be my favorite.

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