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flatluigi posted:Good job dude you took it even further than everyone else! I'm Australian. Calling people cunts is a national pasttime for us, regardless of gender. Ya oval office.  Mister Roboto posted:What's a little creepy is that about 80% of the thread have revealed they played the game, so this means they're getting RE-angry again at a fictional character when watching someone else play. The first time was not enough, gotta tell all 30 people here how much I hate her this time around! Thats not creepy - its either pathetic or just plain human nature depending on the viritol involved. Its only natural to want to share your experiences with others, after all.
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Some people take it too far, but fiction that doesn't make you care about the characters in it (whether you like them or hate them) - if the characters and their struggles make you feel nothing, that's fiction that probably isn't doing its job very well.
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I just think it's funny that we all expect everyone to be as caring and nice as Luna and harshly judge someone like Alice, when almost anyone in this thread would be freaked out and be looking out for themselves if put into this situation like this in real life.
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Feb 12, 2014 09:55
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It's time to re-do the rounds for the first time, as opposed to last time when we re-did the rounds for the third time. I mean... Last time we re-did the rounds, we were doing those rounds for the first time-- --I mean, this is the first time we're seeing the aftermath of the same AB Game with different results. You know what I mean. VLR OST: [Anxiousness] Sigma, K and Quark's conversation ameowt Schrödinger's Cat is unchanged, as is the followup about the Radical-6 article. 999 OST: [Riddle and Puzzle] Listen in: [English/Japanese] We should just hurry up and try to find out how to get out of here. Quark has a point. If we want to know what's going on outside, the fastest way to find out is by going outside. Yeah, you're right. Good! Mr. K and I will keep searching the cabins, then. What are you going to do? I... guess I'll go somewhere else. Okay. Then we will see you later. Later. [Music fades out] This is, of course, the variation of this conversation that isn't immediately interrupted by someone discovering the bomb. Here, we get some new stuff. 999 OST: [Imaginary] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Ugh. What're are you doing here? Still mad, huh? Obviously! Ah, come on now, you don't have to get your panties in a bunch. That's easy for you to say, Dio! You're sitting pretty at 5 BP! Tenmyouji and I only have 1! You do understand what that means, don't you?! That's no reason to take your anger out on people. You won't get your BP back by being a jerk to him. What's this? You're going to take his side? I thought you of all people would agree with me. I do. Why would you care? You've got what, maybe five years left? Maybe less? I'm not like you! I'm still young! I want to live a long life! There's so many things I still want to do! Like what? Well, let's see... I want to wear lots of gorgeous clothes... I want to eat tons of delicious food, and fall in love... What an idiot. Excuse me?! I was going to take your side, but after that load of horseshit you're on your own. And from here it's as before; Alice tells us about her father, and the group discusses just how goddamn mysterious they all are. Sigma resolves to muse on this elsewhere. [Music fades out] This room is entirely unchanged - Sigma, Phi, Luna and Clover discuss the headaches they've all been having and how weird they all feel. Until... Listen in: [English/Japanese] What is it? I found something horrible in room 2 in the crew quarters! Something...? ...Horrible? VLR OST: [Strain] Never mind! You'll understand when you see it! This scene proceeds identically to before except with some characters swapped around; It's K who leads us to the bomb instead of Clover, Quark who fetches the others instead of Luna, and Tenmyouji who screams "Where's the bomb?!" instead of Dio. Everyone stares at the bomb for a while, Alice talks about dead-man switches, then... VLR OST: [Eeriness] Listen in: [English/Japanese] It was me. I found it while Quark and I were investigating this area. We split up to collect the rest of you. How did you know it was a bomb? When? I'm not sure. Because of the amnesia? Yes. Are you kidding me? We don't even know if it's a real bomb. Are you gonna tell me you believe that guy who can't remember his own loving name knows a bomb when he sees it-- That's a bomb. I'm sure of it. How do you know? I just do, okay? And from here Alice continues not telling us that she's a secret agent, Quark gets the greatest allegorical physics lesson ever conceived, and everyone suddenly realizes they're out of time. VLR OST: [Strain] Phi tells us our options, which are, as a reminder: Listen in: [English/Japanese] Well, you decided the first time, right? Y-Yeah... Then can I decide this time? Why you? I only have 1 BP left... Doesn't it seem like the fair thing is to let the person who's at the greatest disadvantage choose? Wouldn't you agree? ... I mean, you've only got 1 BP, right? You've got a point. But how about we listen to what Alice wants first? So, tell us. Which door and which people do you want? The green door. And I want to go with K and Quark. That means Tenmyouji and Dio will go with Clover through the blue door... Is that all right with you, Tenmyouji? Wh-Why? If we go through there together, that means you'll be playing against me in the next AB Game. Are you really, really sure? Yeah, I'm sure. Matter of fact, that's why I want to go with you. You said you didn't trust me, right? Well, I'd like to change your mind. I figure this'll give me the chance. U-Um... I've been wanting to pair up with Alice, too. There's something I want to talk to you about. Oh? And that is...? We'll get to that later. ... Y-Yes. ...I guess. What about the rest of you? Is that okay too? Despite the presentation, this really isn't any different from any other time we've done this. If we refuse... Listen in: [English/Japanese] Why not? Because. Rrgghh... Oh no... this is bad... Which door do you want then? The only other choices are A and C... I thought about it again. If I want with A, then Luna and I would end up paired with Clover, and we'd go through the green door. On the other hand, if I chose C, we'd be going through the blue door with Alice. So which one did I want? So let's just vote on this normally.
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Feb 12, 2014 14:43
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Feb 12, 2014 15:03
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Tenmyouji wasn't this buddy-buddy with Clover and Alice in previous routes was he? 
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Feb 12, 2014 15:15
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Tenmyouji wasn't this buddy-buddy with Clover and Alice in previous routes was he? He's definitely got something on with Clover - I mean, he somehow got Clover to Ally with him on the Magenta path. As for what he has with Alice, who knows, but maybe it has something to do with Ice-9. Tenmyouji is reeking of something from 999 though, considering Clover and Alice.
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Feb 12, 2014 15:18
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Hmmm... I wonder what would happen if we go through with Alice again, and this time, we ally on purpose, knowing she will betray. I doubt it'll happen, but I think it would be neat if Sigma had the option to explicitly tell Alice to hit "Betray", so he could make it up to her by deliberately allying. That would be a way to restore trust. But that's not going to happen, I'm sure. I'm not sure that we can trust Phi to Ally with us, given that we hit Betray (oh, and er, the bombs). There's only one way to find out, I suppose. Or maybe it's another "you automatically pick wrong no matter what" thing. I was wrong about Radical-6 not existing, but Alice's revelations about the Myrmidons makes me think that the newspaper mentioning the outbreak is indeed fake. This facility might be a Myrmidon base, and the participants are test subjects for the effectiveness of the Radical-6 virus they engineered. No wait, that's not twisty enough for this series. The leader of the Myrmidons is Abraham Lincoln, who was secretly a time-traveler from the year 3216. "Left" is his half-brother, John Wilkes Booth (also a time-traveler). Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Feb 12, 2014 15:26
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Fedule posted:
I... I don't think this even merits a comment. I'll just vote to pair her up with Dio and be done with this.
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Feb 12, 2014 15:39
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I want more quality Phi time. Thematically we should probably stick with Alice all the way while we're on an Alice kick, but I miss Phi.
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Feb 12, 2014 15:51
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Aumanor posted:I... I don't think this even merits a comment. I'll just vote to pair her up with Dio and be done with this. She does have a point. Why should Sigma be the one to decide the pairings and thus, everyone's opponents? After all, he hit Betray like a jerk. 
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Feb 12, 2014 16:01
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Aumanor posted:I... I don't think this even merits a comment. I'll just vote to pair her up with Dio and be done with this. Pairing Alice up with Dio is actually the best solution. Now all those who dislike Alice can watch her get Betrayed by Dio... again.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:06
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I'm really liking Ten this time through.  We should hang out with him next time we get the chance, he obviously knows something.So am I understanding this right? If we went through the blue door with Alice, we'd have the chance to betray her again? I'm surprised more people aren't voting for that...I'm over the whole Schroedinger's Betrayal thing since the game at least acknowledged it, but other than the chance to betray Luna (which obviously isn't going to happen) we've never really taken an opportunity to play Sigma at Dio levels of dickery yet and just spam the betray button the whole way through...would be interesting to see Luna's reaction too. Alternately we could do what Stabbey suggested and ally with Alice knowing she'll betray us...surely the game won't find some way to throw that back in our face, and it might finally make her finally trust us.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:14
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I'm curious to see what happens if we try and kill anyone, but I'm too dumb to figure out what choice would most likely lead to Alice losing her point - if any.EdgeryWorthy posted:I just think it's funny that we all expect everyone to be as caring and nice as Luna and harshly judge someone like Alice, when almost anyone in this thread would be freaked out and be looking out for themselves if put into this situation like this in real life.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:17
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Zoe posted:other than the chance to betray Luna (which obviously isn't going to happen) Well it's not happening right now, since betraying Alice won the (previous) vote. But wasn't betraying Luna the #2 choice? The goon hivemind has a strong urge to rip off that band-aid and get it over with, by the looks of things.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:21
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VagueRant posted:I'm curious to see what happens if we try and kill anyone, but I'm too dumb to figure out what choice would most likely lead to Alice losing her point - if any. No chance of her voting ally unless she's unconscious or something and...well, you saw how well that worked out. I think Sigma is the only sucker who ever lets himself get murdered that way.
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Feb 12, 2014 16:26
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Vil posted:Well it's not happening right now, since betraying Alice won the (previous) vote. But wasn't betraying Luna the #2 choice? The goon hivemind has a strong urge to rip off that band-aid and get it over with, by the looks of things. Right now I'm clinging to hope that before we hit the point where betraying Luna is the only way to progrss we'll have found something about her that will make it feel less like kicking a puppy
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Feb 12, 2014 16:31
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Zoe posted:So am I understanding this right? If we went through the blue door with Alice, we'd have the chance to betray her again? I'm surprised more people aren't voting for that... If we picked the blue door, Alice would probably just veto it. There's no reason for the others to take our preference over hers.
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Feb 12, 2014 17:09
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GilliamYaeger posted:I reckon this segment sums up an awful lot of peoples feelings on Alice. I had honestly forgotten about that "You have maybe five years or less" line. Harsh. Color Printer posted:She does have a point. Why should Sigma be the one to decide the pairings and thus, everyone's opponents? After all, he hit Betray like a jerk. At the risk of re-igniting more Alice hate, I'd like to redirect attention back to this conversation after Alice chose Betray against Sigma. Fedule posted:
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:At the risk of re-igniting more Alice hate VVV: I meant it more in the "irredeemable character" sense. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Feb 12, 2014 17:23
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Pierzak posted:Nah, she's already the Clover of this game, except with hypocrisy instead of an axe. But Clover wasn't a jerk in 999 outside of that one ending. And that was more brutal insanity than jerkishness. 
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ApplesandOranges posted:As for what he has with Alice, who knows, but maybe it has something to do with Ice-9.
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Feb 12, 2014 17:28
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I want to hang out with Alice if we can. Maybe the game will let us in on why she voted ally this time.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:08
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I don't want to hang out with Alice any more for now because of all this negativity about her. If we're not with her for an update, maybe things will simmer down. Besides, a room puzzle with Phi and Luna sounds fun.
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Spatula City posted:I don't want to hang out with Alice any more for now because of all this negativity about her. If we're not with her for an update, maybe things will simmer down. Besides, a room puzzle with Phi and Luna sounds fun. Seriously, guys. All this ALICE  stuff is starting to wear thin. Let's spend some more time with Phi, she's pretty cool.
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Feb 12, 2014 19:54
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Ten is my fave character, I forgot about this interaction. He's a calm, collected, pretty nice old man
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Feb 12, 2014 21:51
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Austrian mook posted:Ten is my fave character, I forgot about this interaction. He's a calm, collected, pretty nice old man Yeah, I like Tenmyouji a lot too. I'd like to try and spend more time back on his route again first, before we get around to betraying Luna. Although I think betraying him makes me feel equally bad.
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Jagged Jim posted:Seriously, guys. All this ALICE All the ALICE stuff would probably stop if she just stopped doing and saying terrible things. The whole backstory about her father actually made her seem momentarily sympathetic, we need more scenes like that and less with her being a hypocrite and a jerk to old people, and we might get them if we ally with her on the next door.
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Feb 13, 2014 00:49
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gently caress Alice, gently caress Quark, gently caress Phi, gently caress this whole cast. Let's Play Spelunky instead.   Time to vote!
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Feb 13, 2014 00:58
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Red door with the Cobra. Wait, that's the wrong type of vote, poo poo!
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Feb 13, 2014 01:04
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Betray. I have no idea who you're betraying, but just do it on general principle.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:07
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slowbeef posted:gently caress Alice, gently caress Quark, gently caress Phi, gently caress this whole cast. I only like Spelunky when Diabetus is playing it. Seriously, we need more Luna and Phi time. And never not betray.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:12
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I prefer Cave Story.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:14
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I voted for going with Alice again, because I usually like to try and complete as much of a given dialog tree/plot thread as possible when given the option in games.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:22
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slowbeef posted:Time to vote! Triple Betray: Sacrifice the damsel, rob the vault, then bomb Kali's altar. Repeat until super high score, and ghost olmec's lair as the finale.
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Feb 13, 2014 01:26
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We could go Green with the worst secret agent ever who has, in fact, killed a player character once (and, well, pretty much everyone else). We could get the Blues real bad with the other worst secret agent ever who has, in fact, killed this player character once. We could see Red and face off with the woman who can jump ten feet in the air but still felt like treading all over the player character to get where she wanted to be. Can't we just cut our arm off and wash our one remaining hand of this crap? maswastaken fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Feb 13, 2014 01:28
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slowbeef posted:gently caress Alice, gently caress Quark, gently caress Phi, gently caress this whole cast. Secret 3rd option: Sacrifice shopkeep in the vault.
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Austrian mook posted:Ten is my fave character, I forgot about this interaction. He's a calm, collected, pretty nice old man ...I don't agree with anything in this statement except that Ten's also my favorite. Ten's a pretty intense guy, when you think about things like he said while searching for Quark in our first route, for example. I like that about him: he gives a poo poo. I find that added a lot of emotional weight to things.
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slowbeef posted:Let's Play Spelunky instead. 
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