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Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
It's back. :stare:

I got kind of sour on this series due to Zero Time Dilemma, though I'll still be following this thread eagerly.

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ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

EclecticTastes posted:

Hey, there's definitely some spoilers from routes that haven't yet been traversed in the LP there, I know it doesn't seem like much but maybe don't. This is the sort of game where you don't want to say anything about it, just in case.

No? We've been down every path except Betray Alice/group with Luna+Clover - there the point system would be Sigma (6), Luna (5), Clover (6). We've now been down every route past the Magenta door and every time Alice has died.

There's never a case in the second AB game where Sigma either has to worry about killing someone or having his partner killed via the vote. It's an inference.

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

ApplesandOranges posted:

No? We've been down every path except Betray Alice/group with Luna+Clover - there the point system would be Sigma (6), Luna (5), Clover (6). We've now been down every route past the Magenta door and every time Alice has died.

There's never a case in the second AB game where Sigma either has to worry about killing someone or having his partner killed via the vote. It's an inference.

My bad, I only checked the scenario chart in the second post to remind myself where we were, I just checked the OP and we're actually much farther along than I recalled.

Shei-kun
Dec 2, 2011

Screw you, physics!
Of course the route that involves K getting to ride on the mechanical bunny like a five year old is the one that ends in murder times.

Of loving course it is. Poor guy isn't allowed to have any fun.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

Shei-kun posted:

Of course the route that involves K getting to ride on the mechanical bunny like a five year old is one that ends in murder times.


Oh come now, this is hardly the only route that's ended in murder times. Fixed that for you.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

This game is pretty good with the mood whiplash, yes

Casull
Aug 13, 2005

:catstare: :catstare: :catstare:
I bought this game when it went on sale on the 3DS and I remember going :stare: at everything.

I look forward to this LP going again.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
For a second I thought Luna had a derringer but I guess that's just her pendant.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.


999 OST: [Trepidation]


How...




...
...









Listen in: [English/Japanese]


My God...


What on Earth happened here?


That bastard killed them!


Who?


Whoever it was that killed the old lady in the AB Room!


You're saying this mystery person killed Luna and Alice?


Maybe only one of them was supposed to be killed, but the murderer had to kill the other to keep them quiet.


Or perhaps they killed one another...
Luna stabbed Alice in the chest, after which Alice attacked her with the injection gun...


That's pretty far-fetched.




I don't think they fought.


Then were they killed somewhere else and then brought here?


No. If that were the case there would be much less blood.


I guess that's true...


...
...




We'd all separated to look for Quark.
Any one of us could have done it.


You mean the killer is one of us?


Do you think there's someone else in here?


Well...


Do you think that Zero Sr. killed these two as well as the old woman?


Hmmm...


...
...




How can you just sit around here talking?!


No point in making a fuss.


Are you loving kidding me!? One of us is a killer! I can't think of a better reason to make a fuss!


You do realize you're the most likely suspect, don't you?


Excuse me?


You wait until the rest of us have gathered in the warehouse, then you kill Alice and Luna.
You pretended to be the first to find them, and—


Are you saying I did this!?


I'm just saying it's a possibility. You don't need to get so worked up about it.


Ten minutes remain until Ambidex Game polling closes.
All players please enter your votes.
If no vote is recorded before the deadline has passed... ...Any non-voting parties will automatically ally.




I guess that means Luna's vote will be "ally" for this round.


Yes it does.
Perhaps that outcome is what the killer was after.


They killed Alice and Luna for that?
Who would Luna's opponent be?




One person is missing and the other's bought the farm.
I'd say this old fart's the most suspicious one here.


You want to say that to my face!?


Yeah! You killed her so you could get a few more points in the AB Game!


Are you an idiot?!
How do you explain Alice?!
She's playing against K, not me!




Even without his partner Alice, Sigma will still be able to cast a vote as he wishes.




Maybe they meant to kill Sigma, but something went wrong and they...


True, I suppose that is a possibility.
But we are engaging in pure speculation here. There is little to no evidence to support any of this.


...
...




We should take their bracelets with us, then.




Without their bracelets, some of us would be unable to open the secondary Chromatic Doors.


You're pretty calm, pal... Too calm.
You did it, didn't you?


A sterling deduction.
I await your further insight. "He wears a mask; therefore he is guilty," perhaps?


What did you just say? Are you loving with me?


Knock it off. Is there really any point to arguing about this?


Agreed. We aren't getting any younger here.


...


...


I apologize.
We should return to the warehouse.




C'mon Clover, we gotta go.


No! I'm not going anywhere! I can't just...leave her here...


Clover...


If you don't vote, Dio might get out.


Huh?


He's got 6 BP right now.
If you don't vote, you'll automatically ally.
And I'd bet my left arm he'll pick "betray."
That'd be 3 points, which'll put him at 9.
Once he's got that, there's nothing stopping him from opening the number nine door.
I'll try and pick "ally," of course...
But Dio's not an idiot. He'll try and stop me or get in my way somehow.


Dio will have 9 points...?


What are you going to do, Clover? If you stay here, you might be letting Alice's killer get away.


...
...


...Fine.
I'll do it.


There's no way I'm going to let him get 9 points.


Good. Let's go.





VLR OST: [Ambidexterity]

I took a deep breath and unlocked the AB Room.
No matter how hard I looked for answers, all I found were more questions. Who had killed Alice and Luna? Where was Quark?
I wasn't in any kind of mood to play along with Zero's ridiculous games, but at this point I didn't really have a choice.
I heaved a silent sigh, and started toward the entrance to my AB Room.



Listen in: [English/Japanese]




...?


You have 5 BP.
If we both ally, then you will gain 2 points, leaving you with 7 in total.
Should you also cooperate mutually in the following round, you would gain another 2 points, bringing you to 9.
Conversely, if you were to choose to betray me during this round, you would gain 3 points, for a total of 8.
In other words, you will be unable to reach 9 BP until the round following this one.
That being the case, choosing "ally" is the most logical choice.


True, but...
How many points do you have?


Me?


As I recall, you and Clover chose "betray" in the first AB Game.




If you betray me and get another 3...
You could get all the way to 9 this round.


Ah. Yes, that is true, however...
Escaping as soon as possible is not my goal.


But you picked "betray" in the first round, didn't you?


That was in the interest of my own safety.
As I had only 3 points at the time, the prospect of losing 2 of them was very unsettling.
Now that I have 6 BP, I have some room for error.


Why wouldn't you want to get out of here as soon as you possibly could?


Of course I would like to.
But attempting to do so would be...unwise.


Why's that?


Isn't it obvious?
If I escape on my own, everyone else will be trapped here forever.


Huh? What are you talking about?


Have you forgotten what Zero told us?




Once that hoppens, it's allllll over. It'll close for good after 9 seconds, so if you're not careful you could get stuck.


I trust you remember now?


So if someone opens it and escapes...


Precisely. Did you not realize...?




Hey, don't tell me you're planning to just leave us all in the lurch and take off by yourself...


I would never do that.
Consider the following:
If I did manage to get to 9 points before anyone else, do you think the rest of our companions would allow me to leave?
Especially knowing that, if they did, they would remain here for the rest of their lives?


Well, no, of course we'd stop you.




Working toward leaving as a group is the most logical choice for me.


One minute remains until Ambidex Game polling closes.


Our time is nearly up.
I trust you will choose wisely.


Yeah, of course. You too.






Thirty seconds remain until Ambidex Game polling closes.



K had made a compelling argument, but I still had to make my choice.
Would he really choose to ally?
If I chose "ally" and he chose "betray," he'd have 9 points and I'd have 2.
Still, even if he did have 9 points, he might not try and escape right away...
The question was, how much could I trust him? How much trust could I give a man whose face I'd never seen?




Ten seconds remain until Ambidex Game polling closes.
Nine...Eight...Seven...
Six...Five...Four...
Three...Two...One.



"He wears a mask; therefore he is untrustworthy"?

Do we believe in K's altruism?

Time to vote.

Fedule fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Feb 13, 2017

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012
Eh, why the gently caress not?

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

How could we possibly betray this man after the precious bond we shared in the Rec Room? :colbert:

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled

AlphaKretin posted:

How could we possibly betray this man after the precious bond we shared in the Rec Room? :colbert:

How could we not. Such a disturbing display. It will haunt Sigma's memories for the rest of his days.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
Hmmm... Luna was killed with an injection gun? When did we see one of those? OH RIGHT 10 MINUTES AGO IN DIO'S HAND.

K is generally trustworthy... but he will also betray to reach 9 if he thinks Dio will get to 9 on his own. But since Clover will be voting, will he take the chance that Clover will ally and Phi/Dio will betray? Hmmm... I think the odds of Clover picking ally right now are low, but will K think so as well? He might, so it might also be safe for us to ally.

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

K already left at 9 once, we can't let that happen again. Best to betray :colbert:

Green Intern
Dec 29, 2008

Loon, Crazy and Laughable

We all know that the timelines aren't identical. Ally!

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.

AlphaKretin posted:

How could we possibly betray this man after the precious bond we shared in the Rec Room? :colbert:

Through morphogenesis, K remembered Phi stuffing her face in the pantry just to get him to lower his guard so that he'd pick Ally.

He's learning. :colbert:

Cirina
Feb 15, 2013

Operation complete.
Luna's dead so it's now up to someone else to picked Ally every time regardless of opponent, and I don't see anyone else stepping up for that.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Incidentally, don't forget that Dio snatched the injection gun back from Clover. He's really not doing a great job pushing blame off himself.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
Just asking because I don't feel like rereading a lot of text, should we already know what neostigmine is? Yes/no is enough for an answer.

AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

tiistai posted:

Just asking because I don't feel like rereading a lot of text, should we already know what neostigmine is? Yes/no is enough for an answer.

Yes. It will save someone from dying as a result of their bracelet injecting tubocurarine into them.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

tiistai posted:

Just asking because I don't feel like rereading a lot of text, should we already know what neostigmine is? Yes/no is enough for an answer.

It came up during Clover's Ending right before everyone died.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Or maybe someone tried to save Luna but whatever was in the injection gun was mislabeled?

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Early indications lookin' pretty good for Ally. If the lead is still this wide when I get back tomorrow I'll call it. Otherwise not.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

Fedule posted:

Early indications lookin' pretty good for Ally. If the lead is still this wide when I get back tomorrow I'll call it. Otherwise not.

It's because we never learn. :allears:

Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

It's because we never learn. :allears:

Or because people see a dead end coming quickly and want to fill it out.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

K is a precious cinnamon roll and you are monsters wanting to betray him.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
The real reason Dio doesn't trust him is because he's suspicious that the only other person with a K in their name happened to go missing after meeting Potassium.

Squats
Nov 4, 2009


Fedule posted:



I would have very much liked to give these out to the others, but it seems I can't print any more.
Terribly disappointing...

Clearly as soon as he hits 9, K is going to open the number 9 door to go to Kinkos to make more copies.

Jagged Jim
Sep 26, 2013

I... I can only look though the window...
Really now,



Is this the face of someone who would lie to you?

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Jagged Jim posted:

Really now,



Is this the face of someone who would lie to you?

Yes, BETRAY HIM! For he is the rider of the apocalypse bunny!

EclecticTastes
Sep 17, 2012

"Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."
Ally.

What possible reason could K have to betray us?

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
ally

making friends is good, but bad ends are also good

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
Yeah I don't see that Ally tide turning anytime soon. Calling it.

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.




A healthy 70% of 146 respondents chose to trust K.




Round two of the Ambidex Game has been completed.
Results will be displayed in the warehouse.
Thank you for your participation.
Ambidex Gates now opening.




Please direct your attention to the results screen.


















Please check your bracelet to see your updated Bracelet Points.



*sigh*

Fedule fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Feb 15, 2017

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

Owned

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

W E L P

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
I think I'll let Tommy Wiseau explain how I felt by the end of this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxWkfJ4uvV0

theshim
May 1, 2012

You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!
Oh no! Quark's gonna escape!! :supaburn:

zonohedron
Aug 14, 2006



After all this time, and all the evidence to suggest this would happen, still I hoped this might be the exception. Why, K, whyyyyy?

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Poland Spring
Sep 11, 2005

zonohedron posted:

After all this time, and all the evidence to suggest this would happen, still I hoped this might be the exception. Why, K, whyyyyy?

i swear to god K has got to be the bad guy from the first game or something rediculous like that

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