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Somehow I managed to make it from day 1 of the LP to this reveal without getting spoiled.
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Virtue posted:Somehow I managed to make it from day 1 of the LP to this reveal without getting spoiled. I hope you feel rewarded.
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Mar 3, 2018 14:34
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 I... what... I don't...I feel like this is a straight up Yoko Taro plot twist outta nowhere.
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Mar 3, 2018 15:00
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RelentlessImp posted:
Yes, but as we did point out, it was foreshadowed.
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Mar 3, 2018 15:09
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Virtue posted:Somehow I managed to make it from day 1 of the LP to this reveal without getting spoiled. Same. This is glorious.
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Mar 3, 2018 15:40
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Bruceski posted:Don't forget Sigma. Where does that guy get off looking so normal? Did we get a good look at his shirt at that point in the game?
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Mar 3, 2018 16:15
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Of course, the real mindscrew here is that this was foreshadowed back before you even took the game out of the package. Note that the lighting make's Sigma's hair look whitish-grey, and that the green light makes one of his eyes stand out more than the other.
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Mar 3, 2018 16:51
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W.T. Fits posted:Of course, the real mindscrew here is that this was foreshadowed back before you even took the game out of the package. That cover is very misleading, when has Phi ever smiled in this whole game?
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Mar 3, 2018 16:58
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Alacron posted:That cover is very misleading, when has Phi ever smiled in this whole game? She's smiling cuz she knows something you don't
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Mar 3, 2018 17:25
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She's smiled plenty of times. It's just a bit more difficult to find the moments where she's smiling from genuine happiness rather than before saying a scathing comment.
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Mar 3, 2018 17:37
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Just popping in to say I bought an account so I could continue reading this LP. Loving it.
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Mar 3, 2018 17:41
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Virtue posted:Somehow I managed to make it from day 1 of the LP to this reveal without getting spoiled. Would you say this is your Last Reward? 
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Mar 3, 2018 17:54
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^^^^^ I think that's a death threat in Japanese. (I'd call for a mod, but one already made the same comment.) Maybe Sigma's seen his face plenty of times, but he just has autoproposagnosia, and didn't know it was him.
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Mar 3, 2018 18:10
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It also manages to make that whole "Clover sets up the honeypot to try and get a vote out of Sigma: The Dumbest Man Alive" bit even creepier
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Mar 3, 2018 18:38
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Alright, that's one question answered (with a number of related questions soon to be answered I should think). I saw it coming since Dio called Sigma "senile", though that was still a powerful moment. I think the biggest unanswered question now (besides Brother's organization) is "Who is Phi? What's her deal?"
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Mar 3, 2018 18:38
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So... uh, revelations and bizarrely uncommonted eyepiece choices aside, these developments have pretty much narrowed down this mystery completely. To the confirmation point, given noted foreshadowing about Sigma. Quark and Tenmyouji came present-day in a rocket, Dio infiltrated from the outside, Luna's our GAULEM, Akane's been working here with Zero Sr., K's tale ends up being about growing up here, and now Sigma finds himself in a body far older than he recognizes, so unless there's another surprise person or the logs were tampered with, that really only leaves Clover, Alice, and Phi left in the cast to have been frozen. ...not that we're any closer to knowing much about Phi because of that, but this should at least affirm that she's from some point in the past.
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Mar 3, 2018 19:14
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:Would you say this is your Last Reward? If I had to guess I would say this is the 5th or 6th time someone has made this comment or a variation. So basically every time I post in the thread.
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Mar 3, 2018 20:01
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Seconding that these reactions were totally worth the wait 
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Mar 3, 2018 20:14
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Now, Sigma, let's see who you really are! [gasp] Old Man Zero?! And I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids and that Quark! Root-beer root beer floooooat!
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Mar 3, 2018 20:21
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What the gently caress?
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Mar 3, 2018 21:42
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I also came in blind many years ago and managed to remain unspoiled throughout the length of the lp, but similarly to OddHaberdasher, I figured out this twist around the time Dio called Sigma senile. (In particular because that's also right after the fake arms reveal, which fixed the only hiccup the idea had: We saw Sigma's arms a lot, and they always looked young.) Regardless, this thread still keeps on giving in the mindfucks department:daermon posted:Just popping in to say I bought an account so I could continue reading this LP. You mean the "Trump Lover" avatars I keep seening are the new "Stupid Newbie" avatars?! (I had just figured someone had gotten very pissed off in a politics thread and had a lot of  to waste.)
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Mar 3, 2018 22:21
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Squats posted:You mean the "Trump Lover" avatars I keep seening at the new "Stupid Newbie" avatars?! Yep, they're terrible. I've blocked the image so I won't see them anymore.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:23
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I believe that's the joke, it's so that people want to get rid of it as soon as possible by buying an avatar and throwing 5 bucks at Lowtax's way.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:41
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I played this since day 1and while I forgot almost everything (except a few reveals) I have to say:Bruceski posted:I can finally share something I noticed 4.5 years ago. Remember in the security room, they saw video of K throwing Phi and Sigma in there as a noble sacrifice thing on that timeline? Seriously, how did you even notice that? Do you have a bionic eye too?
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Mar 3, 2018 22:45
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Zakrelo posted:When Sigma saw the Zero hologram talk about termites and stuff, why didn't he recognize they had the same voice? ApplesandOranges posted:How many times have you been surprised when hearing a recording of your own voice and thinking, 'wait, I sound like that'? I think a better question is how Sigma didn't notice that his own voice didn't sound the way he expected it to. A person's voice at 67 is not likely to sound the same as it did at 22, even in his own head.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:48
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OgretailFood posted:I played this since day 1and while I forgot almost everything (except a few reveals) I have to say: I played the game before so I knew the twist. When that came up in the LP I got curious and happened to have heard about that GIMP correction filter (can't for the life of me recall what it's called now). You can kinda see it on the base image too if you know what to look for, but nobody's going to be looking there.
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Mar 3, 2018 22:48
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If young Sigma's mind is here in old Sigma's body, maybe old Sigma's mind is in the past in young Sigma's body, preparing this whole thing? Considering he's apparently Zero Sr., I mean.
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Mar 3, 2018 23:02
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StrixNebulosa posted:Yep, they're terrible. I've blocked the image so I won't see them anymore. lol you wuss
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Mar 3, 2018 23:05
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Confused Llama posted:I think a better question is how Sigma didn't notice that his own voice didn't sound the way he expected it to. A person's voice at 67 is not likely to sound the same as it did at 22, even in his own head.
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Mar 3, 2018 23:26
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It's too bad in a way, Junpei's voice actor in the Nonary Games version of 999 is pretty fun. He has down this tone of "I am trapped in the craziest poo poo and any moment someone's going to jump out and yell Punked! Any moment now"
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Mar 3, 2018 23:47
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This face... Listen in: [English/Japanese] It's your face, Doctor Sigma Klim. Although to the you that's behind it now, it's your face forty-five years from now. VLR OST: [Demise] That's bullshit! No. It's the truth. Fighting it isn't going to do you any good. Please, Doctor... I'm not a doctor! You will be. A pioneer in the field of genetic engineering... You're lying! No, I'm not. Well, I suppose I should say you are going to create him. Create...? His name is Kyle Klim. Your clone. That is why he looks just like a younger version of yourself. Twenty-three years ago, in the biolab here in Rhizome 9, you created Kyle. Well, I suppose for you, that's still in the future. The gravity here is only one sixth of Earth's. If nothing was done, the reduced gravity would cause his bones to be weaker than normal human ones. But you prepared for that... You gave him that armor. Ever since he was born he's lived inside of it. It kept his muscles and bones strong. He wasn't forced into it for the Nonary Game... He's been wearing it every day, all his life. Why would I—why would...future me...create a clone? He was to be your...spare. If something happened to you before the project began, he would take your place. [Music fades out] ... ... That isn't all they mean, though. The A also means "Anima," and the B means "Body." "Anima" is another word for the soul, or the consciousness. "Body" is, well, exactly what it says on the tin. The past consciousness will go into the future body, and the future consciousness will go into the past body. They...switch. That was the chief goal of the project. Wait, so the...future person goes into the...past person...? Sigma, do you remember the note you found in the garden? You mean...this, right? Yes. Ah, of course, it was you who investigated the garden in this timeline. Yeah. Sigma, take a good look at this. It's an illustration of the time jumps your consciousness is making. ... ... VLR OST: [Clarification] "A" is where everything began. December 25th, 2028. From there, you jumped to "B." January 25th, 2074. You are in your own body, but it is sixty-seven years old. Your consciousness has jumped forty-five years into the future. I believe that may explain why you didn't notice the reduced lunar gravity. The body you woke up in was much older... Normally you would have noticed that your muscles were much weaker. In this case, however, the lower gravity balanced that out. ... ... If you continue along this line, what happens next? You reach "C," which is January 27th, 2074. That is today. Are you saying it's been two days since we woke up? Have you already forgotten? You were all infected with Radical-6. The virus slowed your brain down. So yes, thirty-six hours of "real" time have passed... But to you, it only seemed like 14 hours and 40 minutes. ... ... After this, your consciousness will return to the past. It will re-emerge at point "D." April 13th, 2029. You will return to your younger body. But that's the same day as the reactor explosions! Yes. You will return to the past, but the events you would want to prevent will have already happened. ... ... The story does not end there, however. The line continues. But this time you won't be jumping through time, or at least not at a rate faster than normal. Until you reach point "B"... ... ... January 25th, 2074. According to what you just told us, it's 36 hours ago. Correct. That was when the consciousness of the twenty-two year old Sigma jumped into the body of sixty-seven year old Sigma. So where did the older version of you go when you took his body? Point "A"... December 25, 2028. The day all of this started... Yes. His consciousness will go back in time forty-five years. For a period of time, he will inhabit your younger body. While your younger consciousness is elsewhere, he will be you in the past. But once that body reaches point "D," my twenty-two year old consciousness will come back from point "C"... That's correct. When that happens, the older version of you will be ejected from your younger body and return to your body at "C." So it's...rotating? I suppose you could put it that way. But look at this illustration closely. You get one single line. It may look complicated, but in truth it's a single, straight path. With one exception... Exactly. Point "E" is December 31st, 2028—the day of the total eclipse. The day Radical-6 got out of the test facility... Yes. By now you've likely figured it out on your own. If we can do that, we can change what happened forty-five years ago. So the old version of me will keep Radical-6 from getting out... ...By jumping into my twenty-two year old body on New Year's Eve 2028? Yes. That is why this line could not be interrupted. In order to get to point "D," we must jump from point "C"... And for point "C" to happen, we had to recreate everything that happened in this facility. That is why we have faithfully retraced history up to this point. So that we might save humankind from destruction... And undo the horrors of the last forty-five years... [Music fades out] ... ... 999 OST: [Trepidation] What is that? There's going to be a jump, and I'll jump to April 13th, 2029. Yes, that's right. When is this jump supposed to happen? Very soon. Soon? Yes. And what's going to trigger it? We need potential energy stored to send your consciousness into the fourth dimension. Fortunately, we now have plenty of that. Thanks, ironically, to Radical-6. All that remains is to launch your consciousness... Like a bullet from a slingshot... And how do you propose to do that? Didn't I tell you? A moment balanced between life and death. That can jump-start your brain. Uh...what do you mean? You haven't figured it out...? ...? I mean this. [Music cuts out] Dio's knife...? No sooner were the words out of my mouth— I screamed and leapt toward them. Akane was already in motion, the knife diving toward Phi's chest. I was almost there—! When I regained consciousness, I was on the floor. There was a dull pain in my chest. I felt for a cut, but something was in the way. It took me a moment to realize that it was Akane's body, lying on top of me. I twisted my neck to look around. VLR OST: [Virtue's Last Reward (Orchestra)] Nearby was an old tombstone. On it was written a few words in Latin... Credits! Special credits! We're treated to a slideshow of CG scenes and a new, orchestral arrangement of the game's main theme! You may not believe it to be possible, but they somehow managed to cram a spoiler into these credits! This is kind of inevitable because, even though we're not done with the story yet, these are the final credits of the game, in case the music and the CGs didn't give that away. And I think we all know where this is going. This is the only trophy that doesn't pop up on the ending card. Your guess is as good as mine with regards to why this is. And there they all are. Fun fact: The endings are represented on the save screen in the left-to-right order they appear in on the flowchart. That's cool.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:16
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I can't believe we lived to see the end of this LP. 
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Mar 4, 2018 00:26
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I can't believe we lived to see the end of this LP. 
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Mar 4, 2018 00:27
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The AB Project: Let's play a game of Pong with our souls!
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Mar 4, 2018 00:28
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U-DO Burger posted:lol you wuss I'm living in a dumpster fire that's on the verge of complete and total collapse I'm allowed to block images of the rear end in a top hat who's aiding and abetting this disaster. Hobgoblin2099 posted:I can't believe we lived to see the end of this LP. I love this thread, I love this LP. I have completely forgotten what happens next, so I'm in, remind me what the ending of this game is.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:34
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Geez, the time travel in this game hurts my head.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:37
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I suppose I'll have to marathon this whole thing again once we finish the ending since I more or less forgot half the story by now.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:41
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K's story has a very different context, now that we know who everyone in it is.
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Mar 4, 2018 00:47
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Virtue posted:I suppose I'll have to marathon this whole thing again once we finish the ending since I more or less forgot half the story by now. To be completely honest, most of the story has been in the last few updates, so you wouldn't be getting much out of it.
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Most importantly we now know that image of child K with his tiny baby armor and Lagomorph plush toy was an accurate flashback and not just a gag about his mystery identity.
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