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I'd like to say that this narrows down the killer to just Quark or Phi, but unfortunately the existence of humiform GAULEMs complicates things. One of the 'dead' characters could just be a robot faking it, sort of like whatshisname did in the submarine ending of 999. Of course, we don't know if a GAULEM's fake skin bleeds or not. If not, Luna is the only real candidate for being a fake cadaver, by virtue of having a minimum of damage on her body.
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I find these lines interesting. Is Sigma implying that he's unknowingly a gaulem himself?
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Aug 27, 2013 00:17
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They might all be gaulems. Assuming we get to go back to other routes there has to be an explanation of how that happens (in game) and I don't think we've seen any so far. Everyone being a gaulem and having memories reset or partially wiped might be one. I would think their not being aware of that fact would be essential for whatever Zero Sr. is hoping to achieve.
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Since everyone is talking about Gaulems, I'd like to bring up something I noticed a while ago but never mentioned because, well, it wasn't a good time to. As we've discerned that similar model letters indicate related Gaulems, I'd like to point out that Golem had a designation of CM, which two other Gaulems shared. List of Gaulems posted:GTF-CM-M-D5A I think this means that there are two other Gaulems in this game that we'll be seeing. Perhaps one is behind the rash of killings?
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Jynxite posted:Stuff about Gaulems As I recall, the "CM" stands for "Cockney Model". For obvious reasons. So all this really means is that there are two more gaulems with amazing accents running around 
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Jynxite posted:Since everyone is talking about Gaulems, I'd like to bring up something I noticed a while ago but never mentioned because, well, it wasn't a good time to. I doubt it.  I mean I'm all for more Cockney robots running around but I don't think the others will be very relevant (if they even show up at all). e:f;b
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Jynxite posted:Since everyone is talking about Gaulems, I'd like to bring up something I noticed a while ago but never mentioned because, well, it wasn't a good time to. That last one is pretty clearly Mike. Probably Zero's real name!!
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Aug 27, 2013 00:55
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aaaaaagh, Fedule, you evil genius. Welp, I guess, barring a surprise appearance by the MYSTERY MURDERER, we're about to find out what K looks like under the mask.
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Time for some wild theories that may or may not have logic behind them. Ahem. First, Luna has a doctorate, but isn't a person qualified to examine bodies. Despite this, she knows exactly how big and deep the wound is without looking at the murder weapon. It just so happens that the murder weapon matches the wound dimensions perfectly. Now, that in and of itself isn't strange, but a knife being driven into someone and then taken out would likely stretch the wound somewhat. This, therefore, leads me to believe that the person who murdered the old woman is Luna, with the supporting evidence of the room changing placed and the whole handkerchief thing. Now, why would Luna want to kill an old woman? This leads me to my second theory, that Luna is in fact the Gaulem. The old woman bears a striking coincidence to Luna, if only older. In addition, if Luna is the Gaulem, that knife would make sense and it's possible to explain all the other deaths.
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Aug 27, 2013 01:15
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GeneralYeti posted:Time for some wild theories that may or may not have logic behind them. The dimensions of the wound came from the medical scanner, Luna just waved it about.
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So I'm thinking Dio attacked K here, but a combination of robot armour and badassery prevented his attack from being instantly fatal. K retaliates with the last of his strength by impaling Dio, then collapses and dies on the floor afterwards. I can't imagine Quark did it, and having an unknown character/Gaulem running around killing people seems a bit cheap, unless we were given clues about them that make sense in hindsight or something. I'd also be completely happy if it turns out that Dio is 100% innocent in all scenarios, he's just a gigantic rear end in a top hat and it becomes a running joke to suspect him of being behind anything bad happening. Can't wait to see what K looks like and have no idea what happened to Quark at this point, or even if he'll show up again in this end.
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Aug 27, 2013 01:22
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I wonder what would happen if they opened up K and discovered the armor was completely empty. 
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Don't you guys pay attention to only relatively recent pop culture? K is Tommy Lee Jones. He has no memory because he was hit with the neuralizer, and aliens from a locker full of marbles are responsible for everything that's happened here.
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Aug 27, 2013 01:33
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So did G-OLM speak in a Kansai accent or something in Japanese?
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Oh my goddddddddd the suspense is killing me. Fedule update faster!Speedball posted:So did G-OLM speak in a Kansai accent or something in Japanese? Yup.
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Speedball posted:So did G-OLM speak in a Kansai accent or something in Japanese? If a character in a Japanese work has been translated into a remarkable accent, they're gonna be kansai.
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Aug 27, 2013 02:00
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Clearly G-OLM is the mastermind. He "killed" himself off early to erase suspicion. According to the game, he technically is still alive, he just got disconnected from his robot body. Besides, when was the last time you every saw a Cockney villain?
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Since we're talking about GOLM -- I haven't read the whole thread; did someone find out who his voice actor is? He did such an amazing job.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Since we're talking about GOLM -- I haven't read the whole thread; did someone find out who his voice actor is? He did such an amazing job. Not yet.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Since we're talking about GOLM -- I haven't read the whole thread; did someone find out who his voice actor is? He did such an amazing job. Nope. Apparently it's a deliberately kept secret.
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There was a lot of speculation, but we were unable to find anything concrete.
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So they've more or less come right out and said that Sigma is a gaulem now. I mean, 'everyone is robots' has been a popular theory, but I didn't expect confirmation this early on.
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Aug 27, 2013 03:41
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TaxEvader posted:They might all be gaulems. Assuming we get to go back to other routes there has to be an explanation of how that happens (in game) and I don't think we've seen any so far. Everyone being a gaulem and having memories reset or partially wiped might be one. I would think their not being aware of that fact would be essential for whatever Zero Sr. is hoping to achieve. I had the same thought this morning after readin this. It could all be an experiment in artificial intelligence -- trying to imbue the gaulems with empathy/reason/more complex intelligence and they'll keep uploading new models until it works out right.
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curiousCat posted:Uh... when did they say that? I guess he's just getting that from the "mental processing speed slowing down" line. Honestly, I think we've all had a cache overflow at one point...
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I thought GOLM said there was just one Gaulem. Regardless, considering the whole chinese room thing, I think it's a safe bet that there's just one Gaulum masquerading as people.
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I know most of us who've played this have said this already, but watching all of you speculate really makes this LP.
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Hey, this is that key. Listen in: [English/Japanese] What do you mean, "that key"? We found it in the GAULEM bay. Didn't have any idea what it was for then, though... But Alice said it might be important, so she'd hang on to it, just in case... So Alice should've had this, right? Yeah. And now Dio's got it... Yeah. Wait... K's key? What do you mean? Get over here. A picture's worth a thousand words. Let me show you. Oh, yeah! So that's it! It unlocks the suit, right? Yeah. Let's give it a shot. Listen in: [English/Japanese] ... Nnnngh! ... ... ... Why not? But with this axe in here... You're saying it shorted the suit out or something? I think so... I don't have any doubt it's for removing K's suit. Do you think Dio knew that when he took it? Yeah. No way we can get that mask off with our bare hands... I wonder who he was... Well, I still haven't checked him over. Let's have a look. Maybe we'll find something that'll tell us who he is. Listen in: [English/Japanese] Look. What is it? That's the one Tenmyouji had! Yeah. Then... does that mean K was the one who handcuffed them to the sink? We don't know yet. Why not? K might have taken the spray from Tenmyouji after he died. It's possible he made it through the white doors before we did, went to the infirmary, and got this. Hmm... Turn off the lights. Are you going to check for a luminol reaction? Yeah. If K used the spray before he died, we might still be able to see it. There's blood everywhere in here, though... That's okay. If he didn't spray it, there won't be a reaction from any of it. C'mon. ... All right, do it. Thanks. Hmmm... Just as I thought. Look. Dio's left wrist... Exactly. But why? Because there are traces of blood on it. Whose blood? We've seen five people with serious bleeding. The old woman, Alice, Tenmyouji, and these two here. I'm disinclined to think this is Dio or K's blood, though. Why would someone wipe blood off a bracelet after being hit with an axe or stabbed with a spear, and then spray it with luminol? It doesn't make sense. Then that leaves the old woman, Alice and Tenmyouji... Right. Please, just do it. Do you think Tenmyouji had figured out that one of the bracelets would have blood on it? That would have meant he was looking for either Alice's blood, or the old woman's. Hm... I wonder which it was? No idea. What? Neither one of you is Zero Sr. Are you saying that because there wasn't any reaction from the luminol? Yup. Are you saying that Dio is Zero Sr.?! I don't know... Then who killed Dio? K, perhaps. After he was attacked, he used the last of his strength... ... Another descendent of species B... ...Huh? Nothing. Forget about it. ...? All of this would be over... This awful game would be over... ... ... ... ... ...
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Two little players turn the armor's key. The AB game has begun, but does that mean there's three? Alice: Dead with a knife to her chest. Doesn't make that much sense for her to have opened it. Luna: Dead with a LOT of muscle relaxant. Don't think she could crawl her way to the AB gates. Ten and Clover: Dead and handcuffed to one another in the infirmary. Even if they were alive, they'd be unable to get back. K and Dio: Dead, and in the same room as Phi and Sigma. Impossible, even if they were alive. Phi and Sigma: Kind of obvious they're unable to get there. Quark: Missing. Only real possiblity to open he AB gates. But did he get a Star key from somewhere after his bracelet was removed?
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You get the key to K's suit, and you can't even open it. What a tease.
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HangedManArcana posted:K and Dio: Dead, and in the same room as Phi and Sigma. Impossible, even if they were alive. I'm pretty convinced that Quark is dead, personally - Phi's argument for his survival basically boiled down to 'he's alive because I really really really don't want him to be dead' - but I'm not so sure about K. Because we can't open the suit, we can't confirm that his corpse is actually inside it. (EDIT: Come to think of it, there's a surprising amount of blood on K's armour considering that he is armoured and that there's no visible blood spray on the axe.) Is the bracelet still set into K's armour? It's hard to tell; his left hand isn't very visible in this image: There's something there, but it could be either the face of the bracelet or the cavity where the bracelet's face once was. Looking back at K's first appearance to check what his bracelet looked like, I stumbled across this: So it's possible that K is running around outside his armour with his bracelet on. In that case, I'd expect him to be the one to have opened the Ambidex Gate, even if Quark is still alive; K can benefit from the game, whereas Quark, who has no bracelet and would already have nine points even if he did have a bracelet, cannot. Unless someone's opened the Ambidex Gate in an attempt to murder Phi and Sigma, rather than to benefit themselves; if neither Phi nor Sigma gets into a Gate to vote in time, it's all over for them. Rith fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Aug 27, 2013 |
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Rith posted:Unless someone's opened the Ambidex Gate in an attempt to murder Phi and Sigma, rather than to benefit themselves; if neither Phi nor Sigma gets into a Gate to vote in time, it's all over for them. That's not much of a murder plan, considering they have 45 minutes to get there.
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Regy Rusty posted:That's not much of a murder plan, considering they have 45 minutes to get there. Maybe whoever opened the AB gate figured Sigma and Phi would talk themselves nearly to death, like when they missed seeing Luna's murder due to being chatty cathys.
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Regy Rusty posted:That's not much of a murder plan, considering they have 45 minutes to get there. True. I think in my head I was envisioning that they'd get down to the Ambidex Rooms and find they'd all been hoisted up to the ceiling or something, but that would be tricky with only one crane.
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Rith posted:True. I think in my head I was envisioning that they'd get down to the Ambidex Rooms and find they'd all been hoisted up to the ceiling or something, but that would be tricky with only one crane. They're all stacked on one another, and the bottom one is already filled.
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GeneralYeti posted:They're all stacked on one another, and the bottom one is already filled. That won't stop them.
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So the way I see this, K found Tenmyouji and Clover, because he also wanted to go looking for them on the off chance of seeing if they survived. he found them handcuffed to the sink and searched the bodies, found the luminol on Tenmyouji and narrowed it down to Dio. So he called Dio to the Rec room, at which point, assuming that Dio was checked by Tenmyouji in the past, he would have figured why K was calling him. Dio attempts to murder K, K uses the last of his strength to take Dio with him. As for Quark. I think Phi both hopes he's alive because he's so young. She does have a little bit of leeway with only finding the bracelet and no body, but it looks very grim for him. Even if he got the bracelet off, he was very grim when he ran away. As for the Ambidex game beginning... I forget Zero's rules, is it set to activate on a timer? or did someone HAVE to trigger the gate?
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Dio's bracelet hasn't fallen off like the rest of the corpse bracelets. Hell, he's even vertical so you'd think it'd drop right off. Maybe he's the one faking it, although how you'd fake getting shanked in the guts and pinned to the wall is a puzzler. At least he wouldn't need any fake blood given the amount of it slopping all over the place.
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NextTime000 posted:someone HAD to use one of the star cards to open one of the gates, no timer involved Someone could have lifted them off of Dio and K
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